Harry Stottle Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 25 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said: Yes but there is F all to play for if Licensing is in in 2024 is there? I am spending money to reach SL but if you know you wont get a license why would you bother ? Correct Salop, coffin, hammer and nails. The Championship will revert back to how it was when there was no P&R, apathy will set in, the guys who put money into the clubs will say "feck it, I'm off" fans will follow suit, the junior clubs with the absence of a local pro focal point will drift into obscurity which will greatly affect the production of kids to professionals, the foundations of the sport will will crack and splinter and in a short time those above will come crumbling down. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, fighting irish said: This is surely similar to the system in Australia. To repeat: seriously, just go and read up on how the IMG-resourced EuroLeague basketball does it, and you'll have a very good idea of what they are trying to do here. 2 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said: Correct Salop, coffin, hammer and nails. The Championship will revert back to how it was when there was no P&R, apathy will set in, the guys who put money into the clubs will say "feck it, I'm off" fans will follow suit, the junior clubs with the absence of a local pro focal point will drift into obscurity which will greatly affect the production of kids to professionals, the foundations of the sport will will crack and splinter and in a short time those above will come crumbling down. Except there is promotion and relegation? 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, bromleybulldog said: Someone should get in touch with Batley and tell them not to bother turning up on Sunday then. Why? 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said: Correct Salop, coffin, hammer and nails. The Championship will revert back to how it was when there was no P&R, apathy will set in, the guys who put money into the clubs will say "feck it, I'm off" fans will follow suit, the junior clubs with the absence of a local pro focal point will drift into obscurity which will greatly affect the production of kids to professionals, the foundations of the sport will will crack and splinter and in a short time those above will come crumbling down. Or the top clubs take over those areas in terms of junior clubs as they de facto have for most anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Moove said: It sounds like that's a short term thing. Just reading they're aiming to have a top division where all clubs are grade A's, so presumably the idea is that enough B's will make the step up in a shortish period then others will only be admitted as the pot grows. Dangles a carrot for those who don't already have their house in order I guess. Indeed it may be short term. And it may even get us into a better position than we are now by 206/27. But I feel that all these decisions around structure and grading systems lose sight of some of the underlying principles of what sport should be about. And one of them is that at the start of a competition everyone should have a fair and equal chance of success. You have to have some foundations principles that you adhere to in these situations and I think we have lost one here where the performance on the pitch is rewarded unequally between teams in the same league. 3 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 35 minutes ago, Dunbar said: 'Category A’ clubs will be guaranteed participation in the top tier whilst ‘Category B' clubs will be re-assessed annually with the highest-ranking clubs occupying the remaining slots in the top tier. So you can finish above a Category A team and still get removed from the top tier. That is not what sport is about. There have to be consequences and rewards for on field performances. Cue 2022, in this new scenario Warrington finishing 11th would very much likely be saved in this new proposal, as you say this is not what sport is about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live after death Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said: Correct Salop, coffin, hammer and nails. The Championship will revert back to how it was when there was no P&R, apathy will set in, the guys who put money into the clubs will say "feck it, I'm off" fans will follow suit, the junior clubs with the absence of a local pro focal point will drift into obscurity which will greatly affect the production of kids to professionals, the foundations of the sport will will crack and splinter and in a short time those above will come crumbling down. The idea that these small clubs with about 800 fans somehow prop up the top clubs us ludicrous, do you think youngsters at Batley boys and the likes are looking at playing for Batley, no they look at Leeds community clubs get more support from the big guns than league one clubs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, ShropshireBull said: Not to SL, I wouldnt invest in a club for the ambition of second tier part time rl and I wouldnt expect anyone else to either. The B catergory just feels like a way to string people along tbh. Cat B should give clubs the ability to compete with other Bs, whilst also allowing the strongest Bs to grow into Cat A clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, Barley Mow said: A Cat B team won't be able to decide how to recruit (or even who to retain) until the decision is made on their division for the following year. With on-field performance part of the assessment, that decision couldn't be made until after the end of the season, leaving them at a huge disadvantage in recruiting. I think that's where on notice comes in. Otherwise it's short notice P&R just like now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, Harry Stottle said: Cue 2022, in this new scenario Warrington finishing 11th would very much likely be saved in this new proposal, as you say this is not what sport is about. This isn't sport Harry, its business. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moove Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Loop fixtures gone for 2024... https://twitter.com/jdgsport/status/1575121480505085952?s=20&t=-gZpudb9ZzAi27mXYhrfYQ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolton Leyther Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Why even maintain the pretence it's competitive sport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackroman Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jughead said: Awful idea, as it’s been since it was very first mooted. Not knowing who is playing or when they’re playing as close as four weeks from the event is a truly shocking idea. I don't agree. For example magic quarters could involve various other showcase events around the whole game as a celebration. Ladies Final? Championship 9's. Wheelchair? 4 weeks is plenty of time for the floating fan. Or we just go to Hudds Salford because that's our club, which you imply is more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Shepherd Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Correct Salop, coffin, hammer and nails. The Championship will revert back to how it was when there was no P&R, apathy will set in, the guys who put money into the clubs will say "feck it, I'm off" fans will follow suit, the junior clubs with the absence of a local pro focal point will drift into obscurity which will greatly affect the production of kids to professionals, the foundations of the sport will will crack and splinter and in a short time those above will come crumbling down. Not so sure Harry. The more detail I read, the more I'm prepared to give it a go. If the criteria are applied consistently and transparently (unlike last time), this could have legs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live after death Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Why? Yeah i dont get that, they win (unlikely) they go up providing they improve their criteria which us mainly lights. They are then in poke position for their own destiny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 36 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said: Because if you can get London bk to what they were before 4-5k crowds. They offer significantly more in commercial opportunites than the vast majority of our clubs, including Leigh. IF, my auntie had b........... you know the rest, so just on speculation alone without proving anything London get a place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Bolton Leyther said: Why even maintain the pretence it's competitive sport? It is, but only between comparable businesses, next. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: This isn't sport Harry, its business. It is sport. It is business. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 35 minutes ago, my missus said: every sport bar rugby league and union seems to have a massive prize for winning, a million pound prize for the TEAM winning the league would focus the player's minds. no need for IMG. What sports? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSantos Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Anything on the proposed calendar changes? Other than a May Cup Final, i haven't seen anything. Running the Rob Burrow marathon to raise money for the My Name'5 Doddie foundation: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/ben-dyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Dave T said: It is sport. It is business. It's Chinatown? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bromleybulldog Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Why? When the poster I replied to is suggesting Doncaster and Sheffield are better qualified for the top tier, then what hope is there for a team that just delivers results on the pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BD20Cougar Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 So these proposals are clearly designed to grow all our super league clubs into A's but in my opinion could have the opposite effect. Due to having the certainty of being in SL regardless A clubs will obviously have a huge advantage when it comes to recruitment, attracting investment etc., creating a danger of B clubs being sent on a downward spiral where being uncompetitive on the pitch leads to lower crowds, less income and so on making improvement and progression into an A club near impossible. Likewise I don't know how B clubs outside of SL can be expected to compete with B clubs already inside with the obvious gap in central funding, media attention etc. Surely whatever list of criteria they come up with will be skewed towards the team already in SL? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, MattSantos said: Anything on the proposed calendar changes? Other than a May Cup Final, i haven't seen anything. Mid Season international Aligned seasons between us and Australia October end-of-season internationals A "narrative" season 2 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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