RBear1983 Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 28 minutes ago, The Future is League said: I'm disappointed that one of the proposals is to do away with the magic weekend. I thought it was a great way to promote the game in non heartland areas Yeah shame about magic weekend and summer bash. When summer bash was in Blackpool was a great weekend for the lower leagues. Can now understand why so many people say to me why do you watch rugby league embarrassing how is run. Least NRL on this morning can show us up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughyed Rats Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 On 30/09/2022 at 19:14, yipyee said: Its not central funding, its a share of the TV deal for the league they play in and is televised. The championship have their own TV deal. The RFL specifically refers to it as central funding and makes these distributions to clubs of in all 3 leagues; albeit with a massive disparity in terms of amounts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Roughyed Rats said: The RFL specifically refers to it as central funding and makes these distributions to clubs of in all 3 leagues; albeit with a massive disparity in terms of amounts. They may do but there’s no doubt it is TV money they are distributing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughyed Rats Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, bobbruce said: They may do but there’s no doubt it is TV money they are distributing. That and other commercial revenues such as sponsorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Just now, Roughyed Rats said: That and other commercial revenues such as sponsorship. You’d be lucky if other moneys was more than 2 or 3%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 24 minutes ago, Roughyed Rats said: The RFL specifically refers to it as central funding and makes these distributions to clubs of in all 3 leagues; albeit with a massive disparity in terms of amounts. In the lower leagues they do. The RFL haven't been in control to distribute Super League Central Revenues for a number of years - though Super League do give them considerable money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughyed Rats Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: In the lower leagues they do. The RFL haven't been in control to distribute Super League Central Revenues for a number of years - though Super League do give them considerable money. Let’s be honest, most RL clubs are not self-sustainable and are loss making without being financially propped up. If there remains the same disparity of central distribution, nothing’s going to change; as it hasn’t throughout the last 55 years I’ve been watching the game. Unless IMG are actually serious about wanting clubs to grow; rather than their own profile / commercial revenues. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Roughyed Rats said: Let’s be honest, most RL clubs are not self-sustainable and are loss making without being financially propped up. If there remains the same disparity of central distribution, nothing’s going to change; as it hasn’t throughout the last 55 years I’ve been watching the game. Unless IMG are actually serious about wanting clubs to grow; rather than their own profile / commercial revenues. Define propped up? The 12 Super League clubs sell their tv rights to generate substantial income. Its business not charity. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughyed Rats Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: Define propped up? The 12 Super League clubs sell their tv rights to generate substantial income. Its business not charity. Check out companies house records for each of those clubs. They, along with the game, are going broke; hence the reason for bringing in IMG. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 16 minutes ago, Roughyed Rats said: Check out companies house records for each of those clubs. They, along with the game, are going broke; hence the reason for bringing in IMG. And that means they shouldn't get TV money they earn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 14 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: And that means they shouldn't get TV money they earn? Indeed. I think we should also just give ticket receipts to Oldham and Keighley. Because they are the beating heart of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughyed Rats Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: And that means they shouldn't get TV money they earn? Do they earn it or does the game as a product earn it? If a whole host of clubs go to the wall and you are left with a handful; is that a viable product for the TV companies? Clearly not and without that revenue, none of those clubs are solvent. As stated earlier, if the RFL / IMG are serious about the growing the game as a product a more equitable distribution of central funds is a must. Otherwise, IMG’s legacy will be anything but seeing the game grow. Edited October 2, 2022 by Roughyed Rats 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbe Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Don't know if this is revelent, IMG produce Channel 4 rugby. Was this them dipping there proverbial toe in the water to see how the sport stands up to the general public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barley Mow Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Roughyed Rats said: Do they earn it or does the game as a product earn it? If a whole host of clubs go to the wall and you are left with a handful; is that a viable product for the TV companies? Clearly not and without that revenue, none of those clubs are solvent. As stated earlier, if the RFL / IMG are serious about the growing the game as a product a more equitable distribution of central funds is a must. Otherwise, IMG’s legacy will be anything but seeing the game grow. They earn it. Sky pays the money to Super League Europe for the rights to broadcast their games. SLE then makes a payment to the RFL (for services such as administration, providing match officials, etc) some of that money is then distributed to tiers 2 & 3 as central funding. Edited October 2, 2022 by Barley Mow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughyed Rats Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Barley Mow said: They earn it. Sky pays the money to Super League Europe for the rights to broadcast their games. SLE then makes a payment to the RFL (for services such as providing match officials, etc) some of that money is then distributed to tiers 2 & 3 as central funding. They should keep it all then and good luck to them Perhaps the remaining clubs should set up their own competition, possibly even go back to winter rugby to try and make ends meet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share Posted October 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Roughyed Rats said: They should keep it all then and good luck to them Perhaps the remaining clubs should set up their own competition, possibly even go back to winter rugby to try and make ends meet? What, again? 3 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barley Mow Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Just now, Roughyed Rats said: They should keep it all then and good luck to them Perhaps the remaining clubs should set up their own competition, possibly even go back to winter rugby to try and make ends meet? Incidentally, it's not a system I agree with. I don't think SL should ever have been separated from RFL - In my opinion all of the divisions should be RFL products and the TV money should be going to RFL for them to distribute to all clubs as central funding. The amount to each club/tier would still be up for debate. All my previous post was doing was setting out the situation as it is, I wasn't saying I agree with the system. We'll have to wait and see what (if any) changes to funding the brave new IMG era brings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughyed Rats Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Barley Mow said: Incidentally, it's not a system I agree with. I don't think SL should ever have been separated from RFL - In my opinion all of the divisions should be RFL products and the TV money should be going to RFL for them to distribute to all clubs as central funding. The amount to each club/tier would still be up for debate. All my previous post was doing was setting out the situation as it is, I wasn't saying I agree with the system. We'll have to wait and see what (if any) changes to funding the brave new IMG era brings. Noted mate. It would certainly be interesting to see just how long TV interest in EuroLeague lasts if this isn’t addressed and a whole host of clubs go by the wayside. There are quite a few, my own included, on the brink. As I say, it will be interesting to see whether wanting the game to grow is genuine or just corporate speak rhetoric. Edited October 2, 2022 by Roughyed Rats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 In my house, I’m the only one who brings any money in, but I see the value in the rest of my family, even the dog, and I choose to subsidise their existence. I suppose I could just keep all the money for myself and sod the rest of them, but that’s just me, I’m obviously a socialist. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughyed Rats Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Tubby said: In my house, I’m the only one who brings any money in, but I see the value in the rest of my family, even the dog, and I choose to subsidise their existence. I suppose I could just keep all the money for myself and sod the rest of them, but that’s just me, I’m obviously a socialist. That’s radical sociology actually wanting your family to survive…..even thrive!! Who knows, one day your kids might be able to grow and survive on their own two feet?!! Edited October 2, 2022 by Roughyed Rats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, Tubby said: In my house, I’m the only one who brings any money in, but I see the value in the rest of my family, even the dog, and I choose to subsidise their existence. I suppose I could just keep all the money for myself and sod the rest of them, but that’s just me, I’m obviously a socialist. That's fine. It's also what has happened in Rugby League for near 2 decades. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 14 minutes ago, Tubby said: In my house, I’m the only one who brings any money in, but I see the value in the rest of my family, even the dog, and I choose to subsidise their existence. I suppose I could just keep all the money for myself and sod the rest of them, but that’s just me, I’m obviously a socialist. Do you spend exactly the same on your car as you do on the kids bikes. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glemiln Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Barley Mow said: We'll have to wait and see what (if any) changes to funding the brave new IMG era brings. Absolutely. I hope that there are more details and full consideration for League 1 (as integral to the new era) with it’s mix of clubs, well established and those in regions to help expand the game. I believe that IMG has said they “remain flexible” for L1 and there will be no removal of its funding (thanks!), which currently is not a lot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughyed Rats Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Just now, glemiln said: Absolutely. I hope that there are more details and full consideration for League 1 (as integral to the new era) with it’s mix of clubs, well established and those in regions to help expand the game. I believe that IMG has said they “remain flexible” for L1 and there will be no removal of its funding (thanks!), which currently is not a lot. As little as £12,000 last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 1 minute ago, bobbruce said: Do you spend exactly the same on your car as you do on the kids bikes. I have been away from this thread for a few pages. Can someone catch me up on how we got here. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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