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10 minutes ago, Bolton Leyther said:

There's clearly a competitive deficit if select businesses are permanently exempt from relegation, irrespective of sporting performance.

That's because the overall business (ie Super League Europe) needs its strongest assets in to keep its own aims and objectives. It isn't in a position to lose a Leeds, Wigan, Wire, Saints etc.

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6 minutes ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:

I think all of this comes with the caveat of 'more details to follow' and from a business model POV, there will be KPIs both for clubs and the league to establish if this is moving the sport in the right direction. I don't think IMG will be just throwing these ideas over the fence as it were and saying 'crack on'. 

Well I hope you are right, because if I had paid an organisation and then got handed something like this, I would have told them where to shove their invoice. 

For instance cat AB or C . Not one single suggestion as to their respective merit. In other words they come up with this plan and then say, you decide what they mean, who qualifies, appeals proceeded etc etc etc.  

It's just garbage 

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3 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

It isn't sport in the sense of Corinthian spirit as many seem to continuously suggest (along with a healthy dose of nostalgia).

Ultimately, it is businesses pitting their most skillful, and generally best paid, employees against eachother. I've grown up in the Premier League era, I understand that is what Professional Sport boils down to ultimately, and I'm accepting of that.

The Sport in this case is generally better when you get roughly similar sized businesses competing against eachother. That is what this is trying to achieve with the Grading system and the aim to have a Super League full of Grade As, and a Championship full of strong Grade Bs.

It is sport 

It is business

The rest of your post doesn't relate to your claim that it isn't sport. It is. 

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Just now, Dave T said:

It is sport 

It is business

The rest of your post doesn't relate to your claim that it isn't sport. It is. 

Its only a sport anyone wants to watch when the businesses are relatively equal Dave. That is how professional sport works.

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Just now, Barley Mow said:

That's a tougher ask without the sponsors, players and coaches who in @ShropshireBull's scenario aren't interested in a Cat B club.

That is a worst case scenario IMO.

As I see it, it is entirely possible that in 2024 (assuming Leigh have gone down after 2023), Leigh replace Castleford because they have the things in place.

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2 minutes ago, Cheadle Leyther said:

If loop fixtures are gone, what’s replacing them?

That would rather depend on the structure and the structure depends on how many teams wind up in each category.

The assumption right now seems to be: the season will not be padded out and if that means it is shorter then so be it.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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40 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Or the top clubs take over those areas in terms of junior clubs as they de facto have for most anyway. 

No Tommy they take the kids from those clubs, Wiggin,Saints and Wire have had a fair share of both Leigh Miners and East lads they don't put anything back.

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3 minutes ago, Barley Mow said:

That's a tougher ask without the sponsors, players and coaches who in @ShropshireBull's scenario aren't interested in a Cat B club.

Exactly, I am trying to let´s say sort out Oldham and I am prepared to back them a bit to get them into Champ and start talking up how we get to SL and grow. "Yes but you were given a Cat B so we aren´t interested in sponsoring someone who cannot be promoted". So I have less money and lower crowds and then IMG can sell well you arent attracting anyone. It´s franchising without the honesty. 

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5 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

That is a worst case scenario IMO.

As I see it, it is entirely possible that in 2024 (assuming Leigh have gone down after 2023), Leigh replace Castleford because they have the things in place.

I assume both of those would be Cat B clubs though and at risk of dropping to the 2nd tier at the end of any individual season for any number of reasons - they'd consequently find it more difficult to recruit players and coaches and attract sponsors/investors.

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1 minute ago, JM2010 said:

I've only read the last 2 pages of this thread so am not sure what's been proposed. Are they proposing that some clubs will be exempt from relegation but others aren't?

They will have Cat A clubs, guaranteed in Super League.

Cat B, split between the highest ranked filling up the remaining spots in Super League (if any) and the Championship. These placings, licences if you will, to be reviewed annually.

Cat C to be spread across Champ and League 1.

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40 minutes ago, Live after death said:

The idea that these small clubs with about 800 fans somehow prop up the top clubs us ludicrous, do you think youngsters at Batley boys  and the likes are looking at playing for Batley, no they look at Leeds community clubs get more support from the big guns than league one clubs

Barrow with 3000, Fev, Widnes, we locking all these guys out because they are inconviniently placed via geography. Rather franchising and they said screw it. London, Cornwall, Toulouse, Cat, Newcastle plus your bigger teams and actually give this a go. 

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3 minutes ago, Cheadle Leyther said:

If loop fixtures are gone, what’s replacing them?

Nothing hopefully - from a league fixtures sense. 14 teams is the magic number + challenge cup should see most sides playing around 28 games per season on average. Top teams/players obviously more when you consider play offs/international fixtures. 

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5 minutes ago, Cheadle Leyther said:

If loop fixtures are gone, what’s replacing them?

A close season lasting until March, I hope.

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Just now, JM2010 said:

I've only read the last 2 pages of this thread so am not sure what's been proposed. Are they proposing that some clubs will be exempt from relegation but others aren't?

You don't know what's proposed, don't worry because anyone who says they do are liars. The whole report is Bull. We have well known posters who I respect already arguing and discussing league structures and grading and yet no one even knows what the grades are. Smoke and mirrors ,it's all corporate con and when it comes down to it the usual suspects at the end of the day will be dabbling with the game as they always have done

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1 minute ago, Barley Mow said:

I assume both of those would be Cat B clubs though and at risk of dropping to the 2nd tier at the end of any individual season for any number of reasons - they'd consequently find it more difficult to recruit and attract sponsors/investors.

The cynic in me would suggest they are trying to weed out the weak from the strong in that respect.

If you are a B, have support and the potential to have the funds to build, I suspect your place in super league will be supported in this system.

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7 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Its only a sport anyone wants to watch when the businesses are relatively equal Dave. That is how professional sport works.

It's a sport. All these caveats are not linked to anything anyone has said. 

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3 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

No Tommy they take the kids from those clubs, Wiggin,Saints and Wire have had a fair share of both Leigh Miners and East lads they don't put anything back.

Do they not? Do neither of those community clubs participate in Super League club managed events?

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1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

The cynic in me would suggest they are trying to weed out the weak from the strong in that respect.

If you are a B, have support and the potential to have the funds to build, I suspect your place in super league will be supported in this system.

But how can you build with the axe over your head every season. What sponsorship deals long term or long term plan can be made with that, it´s absurd. 

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Just now, Dave T said:

It's a sport. All these caveats are not linked to anything anyone has said. 

They're upset because the result on field is not the sole arbiter of who is in what competition. That is a fundamental distinction from the initial post I replied to about what "sport" is.

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2 minutes ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:

Nothing hopefully - from a league fixtures sense. 14 teams is the magic number + challenge cup should see most sides playing around 28 games per season on average. Top teams/players obviously more when you consider play offs/international fixtures. 

We are only getting to 14 teams when we have 12+ Grade A teams. On the plan that is 20??

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