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13 hours ago, gingerjon said:

If, at some future point, there are more As than spaces then the number of spaces will be increased.

Unlikely I know, but what happens if in 3 years we have 20 "A" teams.

It is stated that "then the number of spaces will be increased"

So do they get admitted to SL and the CF - 20M divided by 12 1.7 M each is divided by 20 so that will be 1M each.

Or do we then change to A+ teams so they can keep their cash?

Can't see that happening - the closed shop network will kick in and either they will stop making teams "A" for reasons as stated earlier - not having academies [when at same time won't allow them to have one].

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3 minutes ago, Gomersall said:

I must have dreamt seeing Hull win every game in the old second division in the late 1970s then 😳

So, potentially, it's a mere 45 years he's talking about as opposed to 60?

That make a difference?

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4 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Your lot only tagged onto it because of a Kiwi 13 years with bis 'All Golds' after those in the UK did the trail blazing.

Sure did. And now the NRL is the biggest domestic league of either rugby code in the world who will see the richest club admitted as a new member next year while Super League gets to look forward to a yo-yo in Leigh.

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1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

So, potentially, it's a mere 45 years he's talking about as opposed to 60?

That make a difference?

I like facts not made up numbers 😉 This man gets paid to write about RL. At least fact check rather than just put down anything he thinks sounds good.

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I would like to see expansion and clubs outside the traditional areas. However, at this moment in time I would like to see a strong league with every club spending up to the cap and beyond. I think achieving that simple goal would do wonders for the competition. I think 12 clubs, and ideally 14 clubs doing that, is better for Super League than plonking a shell of a club in London (in the guise we see now with no real financial clout).

For me a key driver has to be the financials of clubs because if they are strong financially everything else can be achieved through minimum standards (hopefully and the grading process). If a club can commit to spending the salary cap, and where there are doubts around the dependency on an owner provide a bond, then I think they should be in regardless of location. If that means Leigh doing that courtesy of Beaumont, or if indeed Toulouse can commit to that, instead of London then so be it.

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Just now, Derwent Parker said:

Unlikely I know, but what happens if in 3 years we have 20 "A" teams.

It is stated that "then the number of spaces will be increased"

So do they get admitted to SL and the CF - 20M divided by 12 1.7 M each is divided by 20 so that will be 1M each.

Or do we then change to A+ teams so they can keep their cash?

Can't see that happening - the closed shop network will kick in and either they will stop making teams "A" for reasons as stated earlier - not having academies [when at same time won't allow them to have one].

Your final paragraph is just $tupid Greed burbling.

All we know right now is that they have said that there will always be space in the top tier for all Category A clubs.

We also know, because we've actually read the statement and followed what people were at the report launch have said, that there is baked-in commitment to supporting the sport as a whole. So no one is nicking your lunch money.

And also, as it's IMG's job, there's a big old chunk about increasing revenue not just in terms of TV revenue but *from literally every other possible avenue*.

It may not work. But probably best to try than get angry about imagined situations.

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1 hour ago, ShropshireBull said:

Why should they if geography bans clubs I hope they dont vote for it. If the aim is to get to two conferences and Fev get criteria and can give sport 8k derby vs Wakefield wouldn’t we take it?

If 8k is your version of some kind of goal then I think you're on the wrong bus.

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Just now, Gomersall said:

If sentoffagain’s Cat. A clubs are accurate

No one knows because the criteria and weighting haven't been finalised yet. So, no, they're not accurate.

And nobody is calling Hull KR one of the big four or five, are they?

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Just now, Dave T said:

I don't think having 20 Grade A clubs is the problem you are presenting it as. That would mean that the game has been hugely successful.

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5 minutes ago, Derwent Parker said:

Unlikely I know, but what happens if in 3 years we have 20 "A" teams.

It is stated that "then the number of spaces will be increased"

So do they get admitted to SL and the CF - 20M divided by 12 1.7 M each is divided by 20 so that will be 1M each.

Or do we then change to A+ teams so they can keep their cash?

Can't see that happening - the closed shop network will kick in and either they will stop making teams "A" for reasons as stated earlier - not having academies [when at same time won't allow them to have one].

If we have 20 Grade A teams in 3 years then it will be bleeding fantastic!

I would imagine this criteria isn't set in stone either. As the competition grows and clubs get stronger (hopefully!) I'm sure the criteria to become Grade A will increase accordingly.

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3 minutes ago, Pulga said:

If 8k is your version of some kind of goal then I think you're on the wrong bus.

If this works properly then 8k should be the lowest crowd any top division club pulls in that season.

(It won't work that well but 8k should not be anyone's ambitious target crowd.)

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3 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Or Wigan in 1980. Any self respecting RL fan should know that at least 😜

It's still 42 years. That's quite a long time.

And in the rather ridiculous days of four-up, four-down.

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18 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I don't think having 20 Grade A clubs is the problem you are presenting it as. That would mean that the game has been hugely successful.

Be careful Dave… starting to sound like Sadler’s panacea idea! 😉

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3 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Indeed.

And on-field performance is a part of it. We don't yet know how big a part but it's in there.

So Batley would score higher on that, wherever they finished in SL 22, than any side in the Championship.

How can you compare on-field performance between "B" teams - you can only do that for teams in same league.

But you can't compare on-field performance between "B" teams in different leagues.

So, if a SL "B" team is second bottom only winning 4 games in season [playing harder matches] can't really be replaced by a Championship "B" team is second Top only Losing 4 games in season [playing easier matches].

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2 minutes ago, Derwent Parker said:

How can you compare on-field performance between "B" teams - you can only do that for teams in same league.

But you can't compare on-field performance between "B" teams in different leagues.

So, if a SL "B" team is second bottom only winning 4 games in season [playing harder matches] can't really be replaced by a Championship "B" team is second Top only Losing 4 games in season [playing easier matches].

You do realise that is the entire and sole premise of promotion and relegation as a system to decide who makes up the top decision?

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1 hour ago, Pulga said:

I'm not sure what the problem is. Geography will come into it. Of course it will be a concern for the smaller of the clubs clustered together. You simply can't have 2 or 3 clubs within a stone's throw. It just doesn't make sense. 

I think some clubs will come to the conclusion that they'll have to merge or miss out by themselves.

If you think that if say Leigh merge with Wigan, Widnes with Saints or Warrington, Fev with Cas or Wakefield that it will be hunky dory and the fans will follow think again, you would be taking these clubs out of their spiritual home, you will probably go into some silliliquey about the mergers in Australia and the same reaction was from the fans there in the mergers, but I would say there is a massive cultural difference in the attitudes of people belonging to places that are many years older than places with not much history.

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27 minutes ago, Damien said:

I would like to see expansion and clubs outside the traditional areas. However, at this moment in time I would like to see a strong league with every club spending up to the cap and beyond. I think achieving that simple goal would do wonders for the competition. I think 12 clubs, and ideally 14 clubs doing that, is better for Super League than plonking a shell of a club in London (in the guise we see now with no real financial clout).

For me a key driver has to be the financials of clubs because if they are strong financially everything else can be achieved through minimum standards (hopefully and the grading process). If a club can commit to spending the salary cap, and where there are doubts around the dependency on an owner provide a bond, then I think they should be in regardless of location. If that means Leigh doing that courtesy of Beaumont, or if indeed Toulouse can commit to that, instead of London then so be it.

Yep, I agree. 

Look at the sort of financial guarantees the Dolphins are having to provide in the NRL. If an owner can come up with a UK-appropriate version of that, happy days, I'm all for it and the proposed system seems to allow it, even encourage it. 

But saying "you're in cos you're in a big city" has been shown to fail and I'm glad we've (seemingly) moved on from that. 

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4 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

You do realise that is the entire and sole premise of promotion and relegation as a system to decide who makes up the top decision?

Promotion and relegation is natural and ordained by god.

Moving teams up and down divisions based on comparisons of end of season performances is satanic.

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Just now, The Future is League said:

20 A Grade clubs is not going to happen in my life time. 10 at most

I suppose the challenge is Grade A isn't really a thing. 

But you're right. If we consider Grade A to be premium clubs. 

We will always have stronger and weaker clubs. Old Grade A would just become Grade B. You'd benchmark and raise standards. It's a non-issue. 

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