StandOffHalf Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 My final prediction for how Wane will go: Tomkins, Welsby Makinson, Hall, Murphy, Young Herbie, Hardaker, Watkins Williams, Smith, Sneyd Leeming, McIlorum Burgess, Thompson, Oledzski, Sutton Bateman, Whitehead, Batchelor, McMeeken Knowles, Radley Out of these, I wouldn't have McIlorum and Hardaker. I'd have Connor and one of Ackers or Hastings over them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usain bolt Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Just now, graveyard johnny said: never proved at international or nrl level - very overrated sl player wrong side of 28 now- would be eaten alive by munster and cleary -saints will hail him as a legend though - far from it And that's exactly where England are at, lomax does a great job for the saints, but has he ever really been tested, test after test, series after series. To be fair, none of the current squad have, regular internationals against quality opposition find out and test the best. It probably isn't lomaxs fault, he just does his business for the saints anyway 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshleaguelover Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 I'm sure it'll be an unpopular opinion on here but might be a blessing in disguise to have no Lomax. He's been fantastic in Super League for a number of years but every time I've seen him play against Australia he just looks like a rabbit in the headlights. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGA Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 I’d have had Mikey Lewis in the squad anyway but with Lomax out he’d definitely get a place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Welshleaguelover said: I'm sure it'll be an unpopular opinion on here but might be a blessing in disguise to have no Lomax. He's been fantastic in Super League for a number of years but every time I've seen him play against Australia he just looks like a rabbit in the headlights. But i guess you can only pick the best you have and he’d be in the best we have squad Edited September 29, 2022 by DavidM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 24 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said: never proved at international or nrl level - very overrated sl player wrong side of 28 now- would be eaten alive by munster and cleary -saints will hail him as a legend though - far from it No one is really tested at internationalevel. Nathan Cleary has never played an international game and Munster was at 6 when Australia lost to a tier 2 nation for the first time. They have some way to go before they are legends. 1 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 minute ago, OMEGA said: I’d have had Mikey Lewis in the squad anyway but with Lomax out he’d definitely get a place. I would 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshleaguelover Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 21 minutes ago, StandOffHalf said: My final prediction for how Wane will go: Tomkins, Welsby Makinson, Hall, Murphy, Young Herbie, Hardaker, Watkins Williams, Smith, Sneyd Leeming, McIlorum Burgess, Thompson, Oledzski, Sutton Bateman, Whitehead, Batchelor, McMeeken Knowles, Radley Out of these, I wouldn't have McIlorum and Hardaker. I'd have Connor and one of Ackers or Hastings over them. I couldn't have Hall or Hardaker but expect at least one of them to make the squad. Hardaker is unreliable and Hall is way past his sell by date for international rugby. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odsal Outlaw Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Wane needs to be on the phone to Roby tonight asking him to pack his boots. 4 Nottingham Outlaws Rugby League Harry Jepson Winners 2008 RLC Midlands Premier Champions 2006 & 2008 East Midlands Challenge Cup Winners 2005, 2006, 2007 & 2008 Rotterdam International 9's Cup Winners 2005 RLC North Midlands Champions 2003 & 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuff Smith Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 We need to approach every game like PNG would. Smash them. And then smash them again. Relentlessly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StandOffHalf Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Welshleaguelover said: I couldn't have Hall or Hardaker but expect at least one of them to make the squad. Hardaker is unreliable and Hall is way past his sell by date for international rugby. Yeah, neither of them should be there. I think the Percival news makes it pretty likely that Zak will come back in - covering FB and centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StandOffHalf Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 I agree that Lewis should be there. His energy and breaks would offer a different threat. It's unlikely - but not impossible. I just don't see Wane picking him, if I'm being honest. I hope I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuff Smith Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 I was really looking forward to this World Cup. After reading this thread, I'm not so sure. Still, if PNG win! Or, at least beat someone they're not expected to... Ecstatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshleaguelover Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Odsal Outlaw said: Wane needs to be on the phone to Roby tonight asking him to pack his boots. Roby isn't up to it, mate. Unbelievable career and still a top player but he is not there physically anymore. H played for GB the last time we beat Australia. That's 16 years ago. It's an indictment on our game that the likes of Peacock and Roby can still be top players in our competition in their late 30s. Gareth Ellis being able to come out of retirement and hold his own was a joke too. Wonderful players in their prime but worrying that we're not replacing them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Dunbar said: A balanced and not at all melodramatic post as usual johnny. You forgot the capital J. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Just now, Davo5 said: You forgot the capital J. If he ain't doing it, I'm not. I am probably overly fussy about writing with punctuation and grammar on here... and even text messages etc. but from now on johnny has a lower case j. 1 3 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StandOffHalf Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Welshleaguelover said: Roby isn't up to it, mate. Unbelievable career and still a top player but he is not there physically anymore. H played for GB the last time we beat Australia. That's 16 years ago. It's an indictment on our game that the likes of Peacock and Roby can still be top players in our competition in their late 30s. Gareth Ellis being able to come out of retirement and hold his own was a joke too. Wonderful players in their prime but worrying that we're not replacing them. He's by far the best hooker in SL. Would have been virtually the first name on the team sheet, if he wanted to come back into the fold. I mean, I get what you're saying about aging players going on and not being replaced - and agree in general. He showed though in the GF with his passing from dummy half that he's still an elite player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dunbar said: If he ain't doing it, I'm not. I am probably overly fussy about writing with punctuation and grammar on here... and even text messages etc. but from now on johnny has a lower case j. But … capital B 6/10 must try harder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usain bolt Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 21 minutes ago, Welshleaguelover said: I'm sure it'll be an unpopular opinion on here but might be a blessing in disguise to have no Lomax. He's been fantastic in Super League for a number of years but every time I've seen him play against Australia he just looks like a rabbit in the headlights. Let's hope some of the less experienced youngsters aren't caught in the headlights, having not experienced international level rugby league regularly at the highest level, never mind playing in a world cup on home soil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, DavidM said: But … capital B 6/10 must try harder Will do david. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshleaguelover Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Just now, StandOffHalf said: He's by far the best hooker in SL. Would have been virtually the first name on the team sheet, if he wanted to come back into the fold. I mean, I get what you're saying about aging players going on and not being replaced - and agree in general. He showed though in the GF with his passing from dummy half that he's still an elite player. My point is more that England need to be picking a side to beat the Aussies, Kiwis and the Pacific Islanders. We (and I cringe at saying "we" because I'm not English but support the England team) need to get the players on the park that are in their physical primes. Lomax can be the best halfback in super league, Percival can be the centre. It doesn't matter to me. Percival wasn't picked by Bennett because he is/was poor defensively. Not just on the goal line but in general play. That's why gypsy John played there in the last world cup. Lomax looked like he was playing a different sport to the Aussies in 2017. As did Kevin Brown and Luke Gale. With Sneyd and Smith, you can trust them their goal kicking. Give me that. I'm bordering on a full on rant so I'll stop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Just now, Dunbar said: Will do david. Listen me . This is like King Herod giving parenting advice… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usain bolt Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Just a thought, are we a stronger squad now or was it stronger in 2017, away from home in Australia, where we were inches from levelling up the scoreline at 6 nil down when Kallum Watkins was ankle tapped by Dugan in the final. I guess only time will tell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Team for first game V Samoa. 1.Welsby 2.Makinson 3.Farnworth 4.Watkins 5.Young 6.Tomkins 7.Sneyd 8.Oledzki 9.Leeming 10.Thompson 11.Radley 12.Whitehead 13 Knowles 14.Burgess 15.Batchelor 16.McMeekin 17.Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usain bolt Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Just now, Davo5 said: Team for first game V Samoa. 1.Welsby 2.Makinson 3.Farnworth 4.Watkins 5.Young 6.Tomkins 7.Sneyd 8.Oledzki 9.Leeming 10.Thompson 11.Radley 12.Whitehead 13 Knowles 14.Burgess 15.Batchelor 16.McMeekin 17.Lewis I've a feeling mcillorum will start with leeming off the bench, wane likes his no nonsense tough customers, and looking at that pack you've selected it's full of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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