sentoffagain2 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, dboy said: Apart from the facilities, the on-field performances and the finances, what else is there?? Bulls are Cat C. Exactly plenty of work needed to get into B. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, dboy said: Apart from the facilities, the on-field performances and the finances, what else is there?? This is a good question. As I've said before, I think the Football Association of Wales's licensing system sets an unexpected gold standard in how to run a process and in what (and how) they assess. They head the sections they look at in the following ways: Sporting (This is: what teams you run, what youth development you have, what women's teams you run) Social Responsibility Infrastructure Personnel Legal Financial Plus you need to end the season in a qualifying place (so, for example, you might pass all of these, but if you don't finish in a promotion place then you won't be promoted). Have a look 1 2 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackroman Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 As someone said the vast majority will be CAT B but spread across the 3 leagues. Only CAT A is exclusive to the top tier. I would argue that any CAT A club in a relegation dog fight is overrated unless all other clubs in the division are CAT A. My criteria would be that if a CAT A club finished in the bottom 2,3,4? they would be downgraded to CAT B for the coming season. CAT C will be teams (not "clubs") without a definitive structure or plan. Hanging in their either because of tradition or new footprint but no money. CAT C should be exclusive to league 1. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Damien said: I'm not sure what you are going on about now or where you are going with this. It's like you always have to reply with something even when its nothing to do with what you originally said. Saints ground is new enough, I don't think anyone would consider it not to be. Just look back at the post by Binosh, he was simply comparing the original gradings which had Saints in the second Tier, and saying since the went into the "new Stadium" expects them to be a grade A. Now if you where getting humpty because I said should clubs in rented accommodation be downgraded Inc your own, that is up to you, I never replied with anything different, you never answered the original question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 17 minutes ago, Ackroman said: As someone said the vast majority will be CAT B but spread across the 3 leagues. Only CAT A is exclusive to the top tier. I would argue that any CAT A club in a relegation dog fight is overrated unless all other clubs in the division are CAT A. My criteria would be that if a CAT A club finished in the bottom 2,3,4? they would be downgraded to CAT B for the coming season. CAT C will be teams (not "clubs") without a definitive structure or plan. Hanging in their either because of tradition or new footprint but no money. CAT C should be exclusive to league 1. Totally agree with with downgrading if an 'A' team finishes in I would say the bottom 4, the 'B's will be striving to get better all season and trying to win games it should also apply to the 'A' teams, give them a reason not to play weakened teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Realistically we only have about 5 Cat A clubs (Leeds, Wigan, Saints, Wire, Cats) then around 10 Cat B (rest of SL plus a couple of Championship clubs) clubs and everyone else is Cat C. So not a lot will change really. 1 I’m not prejudiced, I hate everybody equally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Just look back at the post by Binosh, he was simply comparing the original gradings which had Saints in the second Tier, and saying since the went into the "new Stadium" expects them to be a grade A. Now if you where getting humpty because I said should clubs in rented accommodation be downgraded Inc your own, that is up to you, I never replied within anything different, you never answered the original question. If you want to make up your own criteria that is up to you. Don't expect me to play along with a nonsensical argument. It's a fact that 2 of the 4 clubs that got a grade A before Saints played in rented stadiums. Therefore ownership of a stadium wasn't a key consideration. What mattered were facilities. Saints weren't pushed up because they owned a stadium, they were pushed up because they then played in a better one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSantos Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 48 minutes ago, gingerjon said: This is a good question. As I've said before, I think the Football Association of Wales's licensing system sets an unexpected gold standard in how to run a process and in what (and how) they assess. They head the sections they look at in the following ways: Sporting (This is: what teams you run, what youth development you have, what women's teams you run) Social Responsibility Infrastructure Personnel Legal Financial Plus you need to end the season in a qualifying place (so, for example, you might pass all of these, but if you don't finish in a promotion place then you won't be promoted). Have a look Diolch Running the Rob Burrow marathon to raise money for the My Name'5 Doddie foundation: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/ben-dyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 16 minutes ago, Damien said: If you want to make up your own criteria that is up to you. Don't expect me to play along with a nonsensical argument. It's a fact that 2 of the 4 clubs that got a grade A before Saints played in rented stadiums. Therefore ownership of a stadium wasn't a key consideration. What mattered were facilities. Saints weren't pushed up because they owned a stadium, they were pushed up because they then played in a better one. OK, but just for the record I have not made up any criteria I simply asked a question, which is what people do on sites such as this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul hicks Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 the one thing nobody seems to be mentioning is social media awareness. a very few clubs are quite good getting there brand out there with it but to be honest some clubs hardly make a serious effort with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Just now, paul hicks said: the one thing nobody seems to be mentioning is social media awareness. There's a massive section on it in the IMG/RFL press release. 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, paul hicks said: the one thing nobody seems to be mentioning is social media awareness. a very few clubs are quite good getting there brand out there with it but to be honest some clubs hardly make a serious effort with it This should also apply to outspoken rants from chairmen and club officials. Edited September 30, 2022 by Damien 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Gordon Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, gingerjon said: This is a good question. As I've said before, I think the Football Association of Wales's licensing system sets an unexpected gold standard in how to run a process and in what (and how) they assess. They head the sections they look at in the following ways: Sporting (This is: what teams you run, what youth development you have, what women's teams you run) Social Responsibility Infrastructure Personnel Legal Financial Plus you need to end the season in a qualifying place (so, for example, you might pass all of these, but if you don't finish in a promotion place then you won't be promoted). Have a look This is very good but it really is the kind of thing the RFL/SL ought to have been able to put together without IMG input. From what you say about Welsh football, clubs either meet or fail to meet these standards. For our B clubs, the IMG/RFL plan seems to be to quantify each measure and then weight each score to produce a coefficient. That way madness lies IMO. I would be so much happier with B clubs being lumped together and performance on the pitch being decisive within that group - which is what seems to be the case with Welsh football. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said: This is very good but it really is the kind of thing the RFL/SL ought to have been able to put together without IMG input. From what you say about Welsh football, clubs either meet or fail to meet these standards. For our B clubs, the IMG/RFL plan seems to be to quantify each measure and then weight each score to produce a coefficient. That way madness lies IMO. I would be so much happier with B clubs being lumped together and performance on the pitch being decisive within that group - which is what seems to be the case with Welsh football. I'm more hopeful than you but I will need to see what they are actually scoring and how objective it is. And I do not want to see the word 'potential' anywhere. 2 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul hicks Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 23 minutes ago, gingerjon said: There's a massive section on it in the IMG/RFL press release. indeed, but it seems on this thread it's not deemed important. which is noe reason our game has so little coverage across the country i would suggest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 6 hours ago, Harry Stottle said: So if Saints Stadium pushes them up a grade, shouldn't Wigan and Hull FC not owing but being in rented accommodation push them down one? At the time saints were playing at Knowsley Road so no... don't see why renting is an issue as long as a secure lease is in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 5 hours ago, sentoffagain2 said: Bradford only need to sort out the ground,on field performance and finance.Then they could be a B with ambition to be A by the end of the decade. If your not an A you are a B by default. No C in the new system 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 hours ago, dboy said: Apart from the facilities, the on-field performances and the finances, what else is there?? Bulls are Cat C. There is no category C 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 4 hours ago, gingerjon said: Not sure, I could probably be convinced either way. I do think that running a women's team to the equivalent standard to the men's, alongside PDRL and other teams, and having a properly active community foundation should be in there. Thats a solid point as they said a big drive was within the womens game. Maybe running a female team will be a criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakefield Ram Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 The only way is to set minimum standards. Ground capacity Financial stability Anything else like number of season ticket holders, number of non-playing staff etc can either be manipulated or be influenced by on field performance which will be cyclical. For example, you could give very cheap or free season tickets to kids or say you owned a sundeck company, you could second staff to a club. Leigh fans - just a real life example, could be done by any club owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said: Have to say really excited about the future for Wakefield,been naff for years but if they can just sink the moeny into infrastructure feels like they will be close to an A license. Aye, under this system clubs can and will invest in the infrastructure, putting good entertaining teams on the field will be a secondary requirement, it should really get the punters flocking in. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 13 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Aye, under this system clubs can and will invest in the infrastructure, putting good entertaining teams on the field will be a secondary requirement, it should really get the punters flocking in. I don't go to headingly as the facilities for away supports is shocking, I would go to watch my team regardless. The quality of product is subjective as to what you want to see. For many its just their team to win or at least try to win. Your argument falls down when you look at non league and lower division attendances for UK soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelic Cynic Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, yipyee said: There is no category C This journalist reports that there is a Category C https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/everything-know-img-rugby-league-25130588 1 No reserves,but resilience,persistence and determination are omnipotent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 49 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Aye, under this system clubs can and will invest in the infrastructure, putting good entertaining teams on the field will be a secondary requirement, it should really get the punters flocking in. Think about it @Davo5, if teams like Wakefield wish to join the 'A's they are going to make sure the commercial requirements are ticked of first, for years they have had the other respect and spent what they had on the team making sure they maintained the SL funding, if as has been pointed out - not by me - that the 'A's will be excempt from being downgraded and so maintain SL status it us very the correct way to go about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 33 minutes ago, Angelic Cynic said: This journalist reports that there is a Category C https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/everything-know-img-rugby-league-25130588 No mention of Category C in the statement: https://www.rugby-league.com/article/60992/reimagining-rugby-league-–-img-presents-recommendations Not sure if it was covered at the presentation. 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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