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Just now, Damien said:

If this was the case why sign so many overseas players in the first place?

How many non-quota, full time players are usually available in December when SL teams are finalising and releasing their squad numbers for the year? The answer is a lot less than when you start looking in May at a time when several SL teams are looking to shuffle their squads for the following year when they've either changed coach or need to free up cap space.

Leigh went overseas because it was a short term recruitment fix which gave them time to identify longer term targets. Recruiting 7 months before a season starts vs 1 month before a season starts obviously brings a lot more opportunities. In the meantime, the excess of quota players has meant we essentially got to audition players for next years spots and won't be relying on unknown entities next year. It really has been a win win and there is zero chance Leigh end up with any dud imports as tends to happen each year(Latu for example). I challenge anyone on this forum to name a better 7 quota players for a newly promoted team than Blake Ferguson, Nene MacDonald, John Asiata, Edwin Ipape, Tom Amone, Kai O'Donnell, Lachlan Lam. The average age of that group is less than 27 also.

 

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16 minutes ago, lucky 7 said:

No players are irreplaceable, but remember you squad was loaded with overseas players. You won't have that luxury in Super League

Which of these overseas players are irreplaceable? I'd say only 2, possibly 3 are SL quality in Aekins, Stone and Nakubuwai. Aekins may still be retained, Sam Stone has a rumoured gig at Melbourn Storm so would leave anyway and Nakubuwai would be a solid/unspectacular prop for a bottom 3 SL club.

  • Caleb Aekins(potentially staying if Lam quota exempt)
  • Sam Stone
  • Jy Hitchcox
  • Mark Ioane
  • Ben Nakubuwai
  • Ata Hingano
  • Krisnan Inu

I keep seeing the comment about overseas players leaving and Leigh struggling as a result, but no one yet has actually been able to tell me who we're going to struggle without in SL. 

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2 minutes ago, LeytherRob said:

Which of these overseas players are irreplaceable? I'd say only 2, possibly 3 are SL quality in Aekins, Stone and Nakubuwai. Aekins may still be retained, Sam Stone has a rumoured gig at Melbourn Storm so would leave anyway and Nakubuwai would be a solid/unspectacular prop for a bottom 3 SL club.

  • Caleb Aekins(potentially staying if Lam quota exempt)
  • Sam Stone
  • Jy Hitchcox
  • Mark Ioane
  • Ben Nakubuwai
  • Ata Hingano
  • Krisnan Inu

I keep seeing the comment about overseas players leaving and Leigh struggling as a result, but no one yet has actually been able to tell me who we're going to struggle without in SL. 

Never forget the saying, Short term gain long term pain. That's what you club did with the overseas signings.

It will certainly be interesting to see what British players you sign and the quality of them

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3 hours ago, Roughyed Rats said:

Appropriately sized stadia is a real challenge for some (having any kind of ground would be nice for us!!!!). Therefore, the only real option for them would be to get rid but where does that leave the sport?

Not get rid but not be the top of the pyramid as the face of the product. I really wish we had just used that 50 mil a year to basically create an infrastructure fund instead of these absurd payments to champ clubs or expanding with clubs who had zero opportunity to generate rev. 

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5 hours ago, Roughyed Rats said:

Leigh's attendances will be well above the likes of Salford, Huddersfield and Wakefield next season. There's every possibility that they could jump above Castleford, Catalans and Hull KR and even push Warrington to be the 5th largest in terms of attendances. 

And they will take more than most to away games

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11 minutes ago, lucky 7 said:

Never forget the saying, Short term gain long term pain. That's what you club did with the overseas signings.

It will certainly be interesting to see what British players you sign and the quality of them

Since you seem unable/unwilling to answer any my question, so i'm going to assume you agree that non of them are irreplaceable. 

 

Edit - also, since as you state, the club has created long term pain based on the acquisitions this season. Please feel free to suggest any the non-quota, available players in December 2021 that would have been capable of stepping up to SL next year that Leigh should have signed instead. I'd be really interested to hear.

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7 minutes ago, LeytherRob said:

Since you seem unable/unwilling to answer any my question, so i'm going to assume you agree that non of them are irreplaceable. 

 

Edit - also, since as you state, the club has created long term pain based on the acquisitions this season. Please feel free to suggest any the non-quota, available players in December 2021 that would have been capable of stepping up to SL next year that Leigh should have signed instead. I'd be really interested to hear.

Time will tell, but short termism seldom works

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20 hours ago, Roughyed Rats said:

Leigh's attendances will be well above the likes of Salford, Huddersfield and Wakefield next season. There's every possibility that they could jump above Castleford, Catalans and Hull KR and even push Warrington to be the 5th largest in terms of attendances. 

Not a chance, and I am a Leigh supporter, 6,000 Leigh folk represents 14% of the population if the 42000 published by Wigan metro is correct, that is not a bad return for any demographic. Then obviously add in the away fans, 

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8 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Not a chance, and I am a Leigh supporter, 6,000 Leigh folk represents 14% of the population if the 42000 published by Wigan metro is correct, that is not a bad return for any demographic. Then obviously add in the away fans, 

Similar population to Cas and you were less than a 1000 off them last time.

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1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:

I think that is down to 1.5/1.6M now.

Serious question. If central funding for Cat B SL clubs remains at £1.5/£1.6m compared with a couple of hundred thousand for Cat B clubs at Championship level, how are the Cat B championship clubs going to have a realistic chance of being ranked above their SL Cat B counterparts?

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8 minutes ago, Roughyed Rats said:

Serious question. If central funding for Cat B SL clubs remains at £1.5/£1.6m compared with a couple of hundred thousand for Cat B clubs at Championship level, how are the Cat B championship clubs going to have a realistic chance of being ranked above their SL Cat B counterparts?

Moreover how are teams that get a 'B' rating going to decided upon who is in SL and who is in the Championship?

Until we see the criterion we will not know, but it won't be just a tick in a box, it will be like last time when there will be different marks say from 1 to 5 in each of the criteria, then the fun starts with the challenges of why one club gets better grading than another and it won't be for nothing the difference could be as much as 1.3M

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18 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Moreover how are teams that get a 'B' rating going to decided upon who is in SL and who is in the Championship?

Until we see the criterion we will not know, but it won't be just a tick in a box, it will be like last time when there will be different marks say from 1 to 5 in each of the criteria, then the fun starts with the challenges of why one club gets better grading than another and it won't be for nothing the difference could be as much as 1.3M

Completely agree - you are not comparing apples with apples, so how can that work without effectively avoiding a closed shop like last time around with licensing which didn't work and saw crowds reduce. 

If I'm running Leigh as a SL Cat B club, I'll be pouring that differential resource into beating the Championship Cat B clubs (my real competition being off the pitch now) to ensure that I'm ranked higher (or make Cat A) and guarantee that £1.3m differential as nothing else matters. Therefore, the criteria will still have to heavily weighted towards results, crowds etc. otherwise there is a real danger that clubs will use that £1.6m away from the pitch and the end product suffers.  

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1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Not a chance, and I am a Leigh supporter, 6,000 Leigh folk represents 14% of the population if the 42000 published by Wigan metro is correct, that is not a bad return for any demographic. Then obviously add in the away fans, 

Harry, within a few miles of Leyth you have about 130k folk living in Leyth, Bent, Bongs, Gowburn/Lowtun, Glazebury, Culcheth and Astley - all have which have historical ties to the owd Borough of L,BnB. Then add in Cawyeds plus Bowtun and thats enough to fill LSV with a winning team every week

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39 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said:

Harry, within a few miles of Leyth you have about 130k folk living in Leyth, Bent, Bongs, Gowburn/Lowtun, Glazebury, Culcheth and Astley - all have which have historical ties to the owd Borough of L,BnB. Then add in Cawyeds plus Bowtun and thats enough to fill LSV with a winning team every week

That’s all we’ll & good but according to Harry,you have to be bor,n & bred in a town to support its RL club & any ‘foreign’ fans are not proper ones. 👍

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55 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said:

Harry, within a few miles of Leyth you have about 130k folk living in Leyth, Bent, Bongs, Gowburn/Lowtun, Glazebury, Culcheth and Astley - all have which have historical ties to the owd Borough of L,BnB. Then add in Cawyeds plus Bowtun and thats enough to fill LSV with a winning team every week

Would be fantastic to see Leigh drawing fans from those areas - if they aren't already doing so.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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35 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

I quite like it....I assume there is a Roman link somehow in Leigh? At. Alban's have it because if the link withe town's Roman walls etc 

No Roman links whatsoever apart from a single Roman coin once got found in the east of the town.

It's just an affectation. In similar vein, Leeds has never been noted for its rhinoceroses either.

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1 hour ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

I quite like it....I assume there is a Roman link somehow in Leigh? At. Alban's have it because if the link withe town's Roman walls etc 

No, none whatsoever. After we got rid of the Bears name I think you had to have one at the start of the SL era, and some bright spark went with Centurions as it was 100 years since the breakaway and we were a founder. Personally hate it, but kids seem to like it

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1 hour ago, Davo5 said:

That’s all we’ll & good but according to Harry,you have to be bor,n & bred in a town to support its RL club & any ‘foreign’ fans are not proper ones. 👍

All those were once part of Leigh Borough, and the reason our record crowd is 32000

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1 hour ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

I quite like it....I assume there is a Roman link somehow in Leigh? At. Alban's have it because if the link withe town's Roman walls etc 

I used to think that, and if there were it would be a cool name. As it is it’s because they thought of it 100 years after RL broke away, so it’s desperately lame. The Leigh Railwaymen would be better. 

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