GUBRATS Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 So we've agreed to pay IMG to do what ? Exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrispmartha Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Just now, Spidey said: Yup. Would be a farce though if a few A’s finished bottom and they related 10th for instance, or blocked promotion from the Champs. This needs to be stated from the outset, I read it that if a grade A finishes bottom no one gets relegated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrispmartha Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Dave T said: I must admit, based on Shaw's article, the grading feels rather 'meh'. In the history of SL has a 'Grade A' club ever been relegated? I'm not sure what problem this is fixing. Are we sure Matt Shaw has it correct? I mean he didn’t understand how an asterisk works the other day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Dave T said: I must admit, based on Shaw's article, the grading feels rather 'meh'. In the history of SL has a 'Grade A' club ever been relegated? I'm not sure what problem this is fixing. It isn't fixing , or actually doing anything No doubt they probably wanted to stop P and R , but they've already had to back down , Robert Elstone anybody ? , Except this might cost us a lot more Edited October 13, 2022 by GUBRATS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dave T said: I must admit, based on Shaw's article, the grading feels rather 'meh'. In the history of SL has a 'Grade A' club ever been relegated? I'm not sure what problem this is fixing. Yeah, it’s suddenly gone a bit that way. I’m hoping B licences aren’t just given out en masse and there’s only a handful, at most, given out. Well, no there hasn’t been. Wigan were relegated in 1980 and at least two Super League coaches in 2023 weren’t even born then and another two or three weren’t even a year old. The likelihood of a top club being relegated remains highly unlikely, despite Daryl Powell’s best attempts. That is unlikely to change with IMG’s proposal, certainly not in the short term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Agbrigg said: You see Dave both you and Tommy have just made assumptions and given your own interpretations. Not having a go for doing that. However this whole thing is so vague I really cant see how anyone could vote on these proposals. You two both made a genuine sensible guess, but how can any club/business vote on vague suggestions. Hats off to Batley and Dewsbury if they at least wanted more detailed facts You do understand this is a fans forum don't you? And whilst I can't speak for Tommy, I can confirm I wasn't at the meeting where IMG shared more details than these 5 or 6 bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said: I read it that if a grade A finishes bottom no one gets relegated Then that truly is disgusting , you either have full on ' on field ' , or you have full on ' off field ' , mixing doesn't work , so now where the game was split in 2 under the last licencing , it's now fractured into several bits this time 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Just now, Jughead said: Yeah, it’s suddenly gone a bit that way. I’m hoping B licences aren’t just given out en masse and there’s only a handful, at most, given out. Well, no there hasn’t been. Wigan were relegated in 1980 and at least two Super League coaches in 2023 weren’t even born then and another two or three weren’t even a year old. The likelihood of a top club being relegated remains highly unlikely, despite Daryl Powell’s best attempts. That is unlikely to change with IMG’s proposal, certainly not in the short term. Well Bradford were deffo an A and maybe London also 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said: I read it that if a grade A finishes bottom no one gets relegated That's how Shaw's article reads, I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: It isn't fixing , or actually going anything No doubt they probably wanted to stop P and R , but they've already had to back down , Robert Elstone anybody ? , Except this might cost us a lot more Yes, it does look like a climbdown tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 Just now, Spidey said: Well Bradford were deffo an A and maybe London also By 2014 where either an A? London nearly didn’t even start the 2014 season and Bradford had imploded long before then (though they might not have had an admin at this point). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Just now, GUBRATS said: Then that truly is disgusting , you either have full on ' on field ' , or you have full on ' off field ' , mixing doesn't work Nah. Mixing is fine. Just because you can't imagine it, doesn't make it impossible. 2 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Dave T said: That's how Shaw's article reads, I agree. Yes. Because Grade A teams are guaranteed a place in Super League. That's literally the point. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said: Are we sure Matt Shaw has it correct? I mean he didn’t understand how an asterisk works the other day. I'd base absolutely nothing on anything he wrote. 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Spidey said: Well Bradford were deffo an A and maybe London also Only under quite ridiculous criteria , designed to fit around the clubs already in SL at the time , and one or two geographical expansion clubs they wanted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: Then that truly is disgusting , you either have full on ' on field ' , or you have full on ' off field ' , mixing doesn't work , so now where the game was split in 2 under the last licencing , it's now fractured into several bits this time I don't disagree on this point. It is an odd system that could see a grade B Championship winner rejected for promotion one year because Leeds finished bottom, but a different Grade B Championship is promoted next year because Wakefield finish bottom. The proposal as Shaw explains it is a massive Fudge. We either do grading, or we don't. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Nah. Mixing is fine. Just because you can't imagine it, doesn't make it impossible. I didn't say it was impossible , I said it doesn't work 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Yes. Because Grade A teams are guaranteed a place in Super League. That's literally the point. Then relegate the lowest B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, gingerjon said: I'd base absolutely nothing on anything he wrote. Yes, this whole discussion should be caveated based on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrispmartha Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Dave T said: Yes, this whole discussion should be caveated based on that. If what he wrote is correct id say that the system is daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Spidey said: Well Bradford were deffo an A and maybe London also 6 minutes ago, Jughead said: By 2014 where either an A? London nearly didn’t even start the 2014 season and Bradford had imploded long before then (though they might not have had an admin at this point). Neither Bradford nor London were ever an A according to this... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_League_licensing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Just now, Dave T said: Yes, this whole discussion should be caveated based on that. I think it’s safest to go on what we know. That is that there has been overwhelming endorsement for the outline, the broad recommendations and the direction of travel. Getting angry about imagined situations is absolutely pointless because we simply do not have the detail beyond the statement that category A teams are guaranteed a top tier place. Everything else is conjecture. 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 So we'll have A graders who will be ' safe ' , they were safe already , if by some strange coincidence any of them had gone down , they'd have come straight back up anyway Then we'll have the SL B graders who might go down and might just not manage to bounce back ( unlikely , but be very funny if one of them did only for Wire to then finish bottom the following year and deny them their chance to return ) So will we now see less Championship B graders apart from the ' selected ' ones ? , Maybe this is where The Cougars are thinking ? , Will the great ' unwashed ' now get a new ' C ' grade ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, gingerjon said: I think it’s safest to go on what we know. That is that there has been overwhelming endorsement for the outline, the broad recommendations and the direction of travel. Getting angry about imagined situations is absolutely pointless because we simply do not have the detail beyond the statement that category A teams are guaranteed a top tier place. Everything else is conjecture. It is interesting that only Shaw seems to be running with the P&R thing in SL. In fact Sky's angle is that relegation is being scrapped. The bullet explaining grading is the same as that released a couple of weeks ago, although it does still refer to on and off field. But whilst it clarifies that P&R continues between tier 2 and 3, it still doesn't offer that in writing for SL. It'll be interesting to see if anyone else repeats Shaw's claims. Surely he wouldn't be misunderstanding... Would he? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, gingerjon said: I think it’s safest to go on what we know. That is that there has been overwhelming endorsement for the outline, the broad recommendations and the direction of travel. Getting angry about imagined situations is absolutely pointless because we simply do not have the detail beyond the statement that category A teams are guaranteed a top tier place. Everything else is conjecture. So I was right then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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