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Sat 15 Oct: RLWC: England v Samoa KO 14:30


Who will win?  

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  1. 1. Who will win?

    • England by 13 points or more
      18
    • England by 7 to 12 points
      47
    • England by 1 to 6 points
      35
    • Samoa by 1 to 6 points
      11
    • Samoa by 7 to 12 points
      15
    • Samoa by 13 points or more
      8

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2 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

As I put above the PI teams , particularly Tonga and Samoa always have strength in one or two area's and occasionally get the whole team , but it never lasts more than a year or two , the suggestion they were 3 rd favourites was based on one of those times 

I think it was based on a fair bit of negativity, where we have a tendency to think our players are far worse than NRL players. 

The NRL clearly have more top class players, but we can put out a strong 17.

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2 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Still buzzing after that. What excites me is the way we won that game. We played some superb stuff, and if we can keep our halves and Tomkins fit and playing well then we can score points, which hasn't always been the case with England. 

Samoa were obviously disappointing but are no mugs. 

Watching some of the exciting tries and hearing the roar of the crowd as our wingers were sprinting towards the line was brilliant. 

Still work to do, but very excited about this team. 

I was making the point before the tournament when people were saying it wasn’t a strong squad that the backs and halves are miles better than we had in 2017.  This is the most dangerous looking team we’ve put out for a long time and the pack is pretty robust too.

But not getting carried away as Samoa were every bit as bad as I feared they might be with such poor preparation leading into a World Cup, then suffered bad injuries through the game.

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1 minute ago, SydneyRoosters said:

I think people are being a bit harsh, I thought did fairly solid and posed no real issue However I would rather Ackers or to at least have Ackers in the 17. He brings energy and pace out of dummy half and would be especially effective in the late game. Him and McLlorum contrast each other really well and I’d be surprised if Ackers is not playing next week.

I think what Mr Wane was saying about next week's team is that anyone who did not play yesterday would play next week, not nessacarilly what he considers to be his best team.

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Just now, Harry Stottle said:

I think what Mr Wane was saying about next week's team is that anyone who did not play yesterday would play next week, not nessacarilly what he considers to be his best team.

He actually said that he will field he’s full strength team next week, Quite funny if Oledzki and Ackers were being rested.

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2 hours ago, JonM said:

I've seen a fair bit of criticism from Samoans on social media about pronunciation of player names too.

Maybe it shouldn’t but this really irritates me . Our commentators pronounciations of pacific island names is often cringing, and I’m of the opinion that this is your job so research and research and practice and practice and get it right . From watching every game I know them , and sometimes they’ve changed their pronunciation or it’s just a subtle vowel but it matters . I feel it’s a basic measure of respect . Tago is pronounced Tan’go now with a soft g . I only know that from watching his games . It looks respectful and professional . Even Samoa itself is said a certain way . It seems minor but it should be done right . I often think some of our comms and analysts don’t watch much NRL but either way you should be doing your homework . That’s why I said Vossy needs to do these matches regularly . As I say maybe it shouldn’t bother me but it’s correct , respectful and shouldn’t be difficult 

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2 minutes ago, DavidM said:

Maybe it shouldn’t but this really irritates me . Our commentators pronounciations of pacific island names is often cringing, and I’m of the opinion that this is your job so research and research and practice and practice and get it right . From watching every game I know them , and sometimes they’ve changed their pronunciation or it’s just a subtle vowel but it matters . I feel it’s a basic measure of respect . Tago is pronounced Tan’go now with a soft g . I only know that from watching his games . It looks respectful and professional . Even Samoa itself is said a certain way . It seems minor but it should be done right . I often think some of our comms and analysts don’t watch much NRL but either way you should be doing your homework . That’s why I said Vossy needs to do these matches regularly . As I say maybe it shouldn’t bother me but it’s correct , respectful and shouldn’t be difficult 

We usually pronounce Tonga wrong , heavy on the G and A , whereas it's almost TONgha pronounced quickly 

As for some of the names , we've no chance , even in NZ where I lived for 3 years and my dad lived and worked with loads of Samoans,Tongans and Tuvaluans they shorted their names to easily pronounced options 

Even my mate Lee Hansen , his real name is Liuaki , but with some of the Polynesian surnames the English accent just can't pick up 

It isn't us being rude , its just really difficult to learn unless you're doing it all the time as the Aussie commentators are doing 

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3 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

We usually pronounce Tonga wrong , heavy on the G and A , whereas it's almost TONgha pronounced quickly 

As for some of the names , we've no chance , even in NZ where I lived for 3 years and my dad lived and worked with loads of Samoans,Tongans and Tuvaluans they shorted their names to easily pronounced options 

Even my mate Lee Hansen , his real name is Liuaki , but with some of the Polynesian surnames the English accent just can't pick up 

It isn't us being rude , its just really difficult to learn unless you're doing it all the time as the Aussie commentators are doing 

I disagree , it’s your job you can get it right . It’s specific concentration on a limited number of names . I know them from listening .  The Australians speak English  ( of sorts ) they do it . Go and ask the players for starters . Get them speaking into your iPhone for instance , there’s no excuse if you want to be bothered 

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Just now, DavidM said:

I disagree , it’s your job you can get it right . It’s specific concentration on a limited number of names . I know them from listening .  The Australians doeak English  ( of sorts ) they do it 

Very niche but the master of this is Paul Bray who does handball commentary (and other Olympic sports when required). He absolutely makes the effort to get all names and places as close to how they sound to a native speaker of that language as possible. Not straightforward when, for example, commentating on Denmark v Hungary.

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2 minutes ago, DavidM said:

I disagree , it’s your job you can get it right . It’s specific concentration on a limited number of names . I know them from listening .  The Australians speak English  ( of sorts ) they do it . Go and ask the players for starters . Get them speaking into your iPhone for instance , there’s no excuse if you want to be bothered 

Fair enough , I'd be interested in listening to some Polynesian commentators trying to pronounce some English names properly actually 

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4 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Fresh off the boat, I think by the time they show up in quarters they will be in a groove and with a point to prove.

Yeh I get that feeling . Those players there are just to good not to ( you’d think ) . The only blot is the injury situation , that was killer luck 

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6 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Fresh off the boat, I think by the time they show up in quarters they will be in a groove and with a point to prove.

If France put up a good showing Samoa may not make the QFs with a -54 PD already.

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10 minutes ago, DavidM said:

I disagree , it’s your job you can get it right . It’s specific concentration on a limited number of names . I know them from listening .  The Australians speak English  ( of sorts ) they do it . Go and ask the players for starters . Get them speaking into your iPhone for instance , there’s no excuse if you want to be bothered 

To be fair a few  P.I players have come out after several years in the NRL stating how they want their surname’s correctly pronounced.

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1 hour ago, GUBRATS said:

Fairly consistent with what we see from the PI teams 

With Samoa and Tonga always big forward packs and usually a couple of exceptional players out wide but just lacking a full team , occasionally they have the full package but it tends to be hit and miss 

The Kumuls will be strong around the ruck with pace but not strong enough in the pack to last a full game 

Fiji need to be expansive with their usual pace out wide to compensate for their lack of strength and stamina in the middle , if they can't dominate out wide it doesn't work for them 

The Cooks just don't have enough strength overall 

I'm taking the Kumuls to make the semi this time 

They will probably have to beat England in the quarters so a big call. 

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36 minutes ago, FearTheVee said:

I was making the point before the tournament when people were saying it wasn’t a strong squad that the backs and halves are miles better than we had in 2017.  This is the most dangerous looking team we’ve put out for a long time and the pack is pretty robust too.

I think this is the most balanced team we've had in ages, full of quality and nobody playing out of position!

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1 minute ago, ShropshireBull said:

I think the sport should be moving to 5 subs anyway because with so many players being told you are injured whereas in the past people would (unwisely) carry on, I dont want games decided by one side having no subs.

Physical attrition has always been a part of the game,we shouldn’t lose it,an extra interchange for 3 HIA’s is correct but not for other injuries.

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5 minutes ago, DavidM said:

Yeh I get that feeling . Those players there are just to good not to ( you’d think ) . The only blot is the injury situation , that was killer luck 

Yeah but they haven’t had the coaching of Agar & Radford to contend with before.

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43 minutes ago, Damien said:

The run metres from the backs was phenomenal with Kallum Watkins leading the way with 202 metres (and I don't recall any big runs boosting that). Bar Sam Tomkins every back ran for 100+ metres and this really put England on the front foot. That is exactly why many of us were calling for the speed and athleticism of players like Farnworth and Young, and obviously shoe ins like Makinson.

Wane game plan to a T 

Make the big Samoan forwards move laterally and backwards all day to tire them out. All the flaws we saw in Samoa in the 2nd half were England’s results from Half 1 relentless execution, regardless of losing bench rotation through injury they were all shot. 

Apparently this site says I "won the day" here on 23rd Jan, 19th Jan, 9th Jan also 13th December, whatever any of that means. Anyway, 4 times in a few weeks? The forum must be going to the dogs - you people need to seriously up your game. Where's Dutoni when you need him?

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44 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

We usually pronounce Tonga wrong , heavy on the G and A , whereas it's almost TONgha pronounced quickly 

The mistake folk make is to separate the N and G sounds.  It should be just one ng sound.

"We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"

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4 minutes ago, Griff said:

The mistake folk make is to separate the N and G sounds.  It should be just one ng sound.

How does that work? When I say ‘Tonga’ the n and g are together as a sound already. Obviously difficult for you to explain in a post, I appreciate that.

“There is perhaps no better a demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world.”   Carl Sagan

 

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50 minutes ago, DavidM said:

I disagree , it’s your job you can get it right . It’s specific concentration on a limited number of names . I know them from listening .  The Australians speak English  ( of sorts ) they do it . Go and ask the players for starters . Get them speaking into your iPhone for instance , there’s no excuse if you want to be bothered 

Quite right.

"We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"

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