Embarrassing news for England

[Jughead]

3 minutes ago, RP London said:

ooh hang on you do know what a metaphor is... however there can be smoke without a fire, and more so there can be smoke in one room from a fire in another. Just because someone is in a building does not mean they are in that exact spot at the exact moment. 

The "story" you are peddling is not a development it is you adding to it. The SMH is well known for blowing things out of proportion and not only are you falling for that but you are adding your own little bits to it (like the fact Wane was even there at this moment in time). 

I am not angry but I will call out people who peddle fiction or imagination as fact/truth (you can say you are not doing that all you want but you are by basing your conclusions/opinions on your own made up timelines). 

if he is proven to have been culpable for escalation then I will agree with you, but if this escalated without his doing then I cannot see how he can be in control of it.. He can then act against Radley with disciplinary to show he believes in what he says (if he so wishes, he could also deal with it internally, I trust a managers judgement as someone who was there rather than someone behind a keyboard assuming knowledge) but I wouldn't expect him to be sacked for the actions of someone else. 

thats enough on this for today... Radley gave Bentley what was coming to him by the sounds of it.. Shaun Wane may or may not have been there when it happened.. the RFL need to get to the bottom of it (as maybe do the police) and once the facts are fully known then punishments should be handed out to those deserving of them. We should all have learnt from many cases of famous people and sports people in similar situations (frankly any incident in a newspaper) that we shouldnt judge until the real facts are known as they are often very different to how they are first "reported" especially by certain papers.

Meh, patronising. Didn’t read the rest. Have a good day. 

I have an opinion, you do, too. Be boring if we were all the same. 

[RP London]

1 minute ago, Jughead said:

Meh, patronising. Didn’t read the rest. Have a good day. 

I have an opinion, you do, too. Be boring if we were all the same. 

Excellent.. have an opinion but when its challenged run away, good to have courage in your convictions.. 

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, Welshleaguelover said:

I've been sent loads of different WhatsApps about this.

From what I've heard Bentley is being Bentley, been told to **** off and wouldn't listen.

Radley has got involved and they've both started fighting.

Too many versions, but if Radley has stood up for Wane then fair play. Wouldn't think Shaun would need an invite. I wouldn't cross him.

That first line says it all, " I've been sent loads of DIFFERENT what's apps". So which one do you believe? James Bentley is an idiot i don't think anyone would disagree with that, but why do people take the side of an aussie  newspaper with a poor record of reporting anything to do with England. Bentley is an easy target but who were the other two players? Or are they just making it up ?

[Derwent]

Things don't half get blown up out of all proportion these days. For example, Its a good job a lot of you weren't around in the early 90s when a former England forward knocked 2 Aussie internationals spark out at a post-test match function for assaulting his wife. This place would have been in meltdown. People get drunk, things happen. No need for all this faux outrage and drama.

[Damien]

8 minutes ago, Derwent said:

Things don't half get blown up out of all proportion these days. For example, Its a good job a lot of you weren't around in the early 90s when a former England forward knocked 2 Aussie internationals spark out at a post-test match function for assaulting his wife. This place would have been in meltdown. People get drunk, things happen. No need for all this faux outrage and drama.

Could you imagine the reaction if Paul Weller and the rest of the Jam brawled with the Kangaroos these days? Social media would go into meltdown!

[gingerjon]

11 minutes ago, Derwent said:

Things don't half get blown up out of all proportion these days. For example, Its a good job a lot of you weren't around in the early 90s when a former England forward knocked 2 Aussie internationals spark out at a post-test match function for assaulting his wife. This place would have been in meltdown. People get drunk, things happen. No need for all this faux outrage and drama.

I think the better argument is that serious issues were massively downplayed 'back in the day'.

Two Aussie lads assaulting a woman but it's all banter, eh?

[Damien]

4 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I think the better argument is that serious issues were massively downplayed 'back in the day'.

Two Aussie lads assaulting a woman but it's all banter, eh?

Different incident but a little less sensationalist these days from the SMH compared to years gone by:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1301&dat=19781115&id=H59WAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EucDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1419,5015033

Edited November 15, 2022 by Damien

[Gomersall]

5 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Two Aussie lads assaulting a woman but it's all banter, eh?

It certainly wasn’t taken as banter by her husband who meted out his own justice.

[gingerjon]

5 minutes ago, Damien said:

Different incident but a little less sensationalist these days from the SMH compared to years gone by:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1301&dat=19781115&id=H59WAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EucDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1419,5015033

I'm outraged.

Imagine calling The Jam a punk band.

[Dunbar]

8 minutes ago, Damien said:

Different incident but a little less sensationalist these days from the SMH compared to years gone by:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1301&dat=19781115&id=H59WAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EucDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1419,5015033

Why on earth did I not know about this until today.

[Derwent]

8 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I think the better argument is that serious issues were massively downplayed 'back in the day'.

Two Aussie lads assaulting a woman but it's all banter, eh?

It was dealt with efficiently and expediently. Different times.

Now, if you want to talk about serious incidents being downplayed then there was the time that a group of England RL players were at a training camp in southern Europe in the mid 2000s. They went out on the lash, couldn't get a taxi back to the hotel 10 miles away at 4am so stole a garbage truck. The driver, a forward who played for a team in Cheshire, was absolutely hammered and crashed the truck into a petrol station causing a bit of a diplomatic incident. Thankfully nobody was seriously hurt. Don't recall that ever making the RL press, never mind the mainstream press, even though it was well known within the game.

So you'll have to forgive me for not getting too wound up about 2 drunk macho lads having a bit of a set to. Its not the end of the world.

[Damien]

10 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Why on earth did I not know about this until today.

Some light reading:

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/11/15/beat-surrender-when-kangaroos-clashed-with-the-jam/

[Niels]

3 minutes ago, Derwent said:

It was dealt with efficiently and expediently. Different times.

Now, if you want to talk about serious incidents being downplayed then there was the time that a group of England RL players were at a training camp in southern Europe in the mid 2000s. They went out on the lash, couldn't get a taxi back to the hotel 10 miles away at 4am so stole a garbage truck. The driver, a forward who played for a team in Cheshire, was absolutely hammered and crashed the truck into a petrol station causing a bit of a diplomatic incident. Thankfully nobody was seriously hurt. Don't recall that ever making the RL press, never mind the mainstream press, even though it was well known within the game.

So you'll have to forgive me for not getting too wound up about 2 drunk macho lads having a bit of a set to. Its not the end of the world.

But there was a headbutt and stitches were needed. 

In fact, the NRL are investigating as it was one of their players, who is currently serving a fine for lewd behaviour.

 

[Kayakman]

Just now, Niels said:

But there was a headbutt and stitches were needed. 

In fact, the NRL are investigating as it was one of their players, who is currently serving a fine for lewd behaviour.

 

Radley seems to not be at fault here....he is one tough customer though and a fine player...the other stuff about him not being able to make the Australian team etc. is a bunch of phooey...overall I would say he is one of the finest, if not the finest, players of the sport in the world....rock solid.

[Madrileño]

37 minutes ago, Derwent said:

Things don't half get blown up out of all proportion these days. For example, Its a good job a lot of you weren't around in the early 90s when a former England forward knocked 2 Aussie internationals spark out at a post-test match function for assaulting his wife. This place would have been in meltdown. People get drunk, things happen. No need for all this faux outrage and drama.

That was in the 1990s. Rugby League didn't have a huge problem getting people involved with it back then.

Nowadays, the sport lives on the margins. It struggles for sponsors. It struggles to get fans through the gate. It struggles badly to get children involved in playing the game. Optics on this incident aren't good. It looks like a sport played by aggressive drunken yobs. Incidents like this tarnish the good work done in promoting the World Cup, make it even harder to get kids involved via their parents, and do nothing to get sponsors involved.

[Niels]

10 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

Radley seems to not be at fault here....he is one tough customer though and a fine player...the other stuff about him not being able to make the Australian team etc. is a bunch of phooey...overall I would say he is one of the finest, if not the finest, players of the sport in the world....rock solid.

That is being investigated by the NRL.

If he headbutted someone and caused stitches then it's violent conduct regardless of fault.

 

[yipyee]

18 hours ago, Wigan Riversider said:

Were the England men's team based in Manchester?

Had they travelled up from London post SF?

Poor behaviour if true and I am not being judgemental.

The hotel would have been booked for the finalists, you would imagine the aussie 'English' would only be booked on flights after the final. The Samoans would be using the England Hotel as they were not supposed to get this far. The world cup organisers are to blame here for not arranging an alternative for this scenario.

You can't blame the players who had a drink then come face to face with their rivals who just knocked them out the tournament

[Madrileño]

1 minute ago, yipyee said:

 

You can't blame the players who had a drink then come face to face with their rivals who just knocked them out the tournament

You really can.

Professional athletes, representing their country, in a high visibility international competition. 

[yipyee]

1 hour ago, Madrileño said:

That was in the 1990s. Rugby League didn't have a huge problem getting people involved with it back then.

Nowadays, the sport lives on the margins. It struggles for sponsors. It struggles to get fans through the gate. It struggles badly to get children involved in playing the game. Optics on this incident aren't good. It looks like a sport played by aggressive drunken yobs. Incidents like this tarnish the good work done in promoting the World Cup, make it even harder to get kids involved via their parents, and do nothing to get sponsors involved.

As apose to the several boozy incidents with England soccer players

The bad press the lions got down under when tuilagi jumped off a ferry or

Captain Flintoff ###### up taking a pedalo out to sea and needing to be rescued 

[yipyee]

Just now, Madrileño said:

You really can.

Professional athletes, representing their country, in a high visibility international competition. 

They were not representing their country though, that ended on Saturday, the organisers should have had them on a flight home the day after, or in a hotel in London, not shipped up to Manchester and put them in the same hotel as the finalists..  thats what's amateur 

[Madrileño]

Just now, yipyee said:

As apose to the several boozy incidents with England soccer players

The bad press the lions got down under when tuilagi jumped off a ferry or

Captain Flintoff ###### up taking a pedalo out to sea and needing to be rescued 

Whatabout.... whatabout....whatabout.....

Fix our own house.

Take responsibility for ourselves.

THEN bother about other (much richer) sports.

[Wigan Riversider]

2 minutes ago, yipyee said:

The hotel would have been booked for the finalists, you would imagine the aussie 'English' would only be booked on flights after the final. The Samoans would be using the England Hotel as they were not supposed to get this far. The world cup organisers are to blame here for not arranging an alternative for this scenario.

You can't blame the players who had a drink then come face to face with their rivals who just knocked them out the tournament

True enough.

As I said I am not judging.

After alot of positive coverage in the Daily Mail during the WC this story is of course plastered on the online app pages.

[Madrileño]

4 minutes ago, yipyee said:

They were not representing their country though, that ended on Saturday, 

Of course they were. 

Have you never heard of a code of conduct?

Edited November 15, 2022 by Madrileño

[yipyee]

Just now, Madrileño said:

Whatabout.... whatabout....whatabout.....

Fix our own house.

Take responsibility for ourselves.

THEN bother about other (much richer) sports.

Erm, maybe this type of behaviour inspires and get column inches which can attract sponsors... theres no such thing as bad press, Ronaldo is currently trending number 1 on socials

[yipyee]

2 minutes ago, Wigan Riversider said:

True enough.

As I said I am not judging.

After alot of positive coverage in the Daily Mail during the WC this story is of course plastered on the online app pages.

Yeah, quite right, it makes the organisation of the tournament look amateur