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European Championships 2023 - Confirmed by ERL

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15 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

The problem with the Euro comp is precisely England's myopia and intransigence. 

If England had said "we are committed to playing our senior team in this tournament, we will bring our media attention but we might use more of an experimental squad", then its likely the ERL would have rethought this comp and not included the likes of Spain. It would probably be a 4 nations of sorts, with the other 4 nations in a nations league style division below.

Instead they've left everyone out to dry till the Kiwis say yes or no (for which they are waiting on the Aussies at the NRL to organise an Oceania Cup to confirm). I genuinely don't think the RFL care either, which is worse.

True but I don't have much hope for a change of mind at the RFL. A top tier comp involving Eng, Fra, Wales, and Ireland would be a good start. 3 rounds plus a final. Thing is that we're still on reliant on the NRL to release international players and I have no doubt they'll make it difficult. If it happened then I'd like to see Lebanon come north as well.


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19 minutes ago, NW10LDN said:

True but I don't have much hope for a change of mind at the RFL. A top tier comp involving Eng, Fra, Wales, and Ireland would be a good start. 3 rounds plus a final. Thing is that we're still on reliant on the NRL to release international players and I have no doubt they'll make it difficult. If it happened then I'd like to see Lebanon come north as well.

I share your sentiment about the RFL. 

I assume the NRL players would be available as they would be playing for the SH sides in the Autumn too: obvious NRL caveats aside.

In an ideal world, regional tournaments would take place mid season and the post season would be reserved for cross Hemisphere games. It seems that ambition may have to be revised somewhat now and the best of the current situation would see the best of the NH competing in a post season competition in years when the SH competes in their own regional competition - with tours/world cups every other year.

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52 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

I share your sentiment about the RFL. 

I assume the NRL players would be available as they would be playing for the SH sides in the Autumn too: obvious NRL caveats aside.

In an ideal world, regional tournaments would take place mid season and the post season would be reserved for cross Hemisphere games. It seems that ambition may have to be revised somewhat now and the best of the current situation would see the best of the NH competing in a post season competition in years when the SH competes in their own regional competition - with tours/world cups every other year.

It's not only the NRL. I don't think any SL or Championship club would be happy to release their players for more than a game midseason. 

Let's not forget some years ago the England coach had to select his team for the midseason game v Samoa with limitations. He couldn't select more than tot players from each club.

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Tommygilf

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3 minutes ago, MatthewWoody said:

It's not only the NRL. I don't think any SL or Championship club would be happy to release their players for more than a game midseason. 

Let's not forget some years ago the England coach had to select his team for the midseason game v Samoa with limitations. He couldn't select more than tot players from each club.

My NRL caveats were rather that they would try sabotage something they didn't control and weren't playing in (Australia).

I agree mid season releases are as difficult here as there.

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1 hour ago, Jughead said:

NZ coming over in 2023. Will be confirmed next month or so. 

Wonderful series. 
Though some would prefer the Euros. 

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Why can’t England play in a test series and this tournament at the same time?

 A few weeks back the All Blacks played against both Scotland and the Barbarians on the same day (one side billed as an NZ XV) and it was generally accepted that they just have the strength to do that, which clearly England would have in RL.

As a Welshman who will watch us play most sports, I’ve seen us be the side treating the game as bit of a 2nd team game and the side trying their best against a stronger opponent who are themselves treating the game like that, and you accept it as just part of sport sometimes.

Personally, I’d still want to go and watch Wales v England even if I knew that it was the 26-50th best English players in their squad rather than the 1-25th - they are still very talented players, who I’m sure would bite your hand off for the chance to represent their country and showcase their talents to the national coaches, and we have to be realistic in saying that they’d still be more than a match for us.

In terms of this tournament, hopefully they can give more information about where and when as soon as possible and how it’s going to work.

My personal idea would be that if you’ve got two groups of 4 with 4 games in each ‘round’ of fixtures, play them all at the same place as a big day out and do this at 3 different venues, followed by a finals day where it’s 4th v 4th through to 1st v 1st.

If the money is there, I’d even say do it outside of England, though economics will probably dictate there (maybe I just fancy a bit of late Autumn sunshine in the south of France or Spain though 😇)

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3 minutes ago, JM2010 said:

So is the Pacific cup not happening next year then?

Very sceptical that NZ are now heading to England when only a week ago the chairman of the IRL said that was not on the cards and NZ have only played 1 game in NZ since 2019.

The Kiwis can get 30k sell outs against Tonga and Samoa in Auckland with a decent enough crowd against Australia also possible. Interested to see what would pull the Kiwis away from all of that context to go back to England in consecutive years.

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