Disciplinary Panel

[Saint Toppy]

1 hour ago, binosh said:

But I bet if you ran at them, picked them up and dumped them on their ###### whilst at work you’d be punished aswell, how you can compare a game of rugby with the workplace is beyond me, what a weird comparison.

If I ran at my boss dead fast at work……

What on earth are you talking about ???

Regardless of what a person's actual job is or where they work, using offensive & discriminatory language against another 'employee' is pretty much outlawed everywhere in the UK. A rugby field is a workplace, just the same as an office or a building site and the employers and/or governing bodies all have rules against such behaviour.

You and  several others on this board may think its nothing to get all worked up about, but thankfully the RFL take this kind of behaviour seriously, hence why the players have been charged with the highest possible grading for offences.

If the players used the words / phrases that have been alleged then quite frankly they both deserve to sit out the first couple of months of the season. For someone like Mcguire who's disciplinary record throughout his career has been very poor he's hardly likely to receive any leniency from the disciplinary panel if found guilty and could well receive a longer ban than Amone.  

[Oxford]

1 hour ago, JohnM said:

"people like their lies to be big."

It's the disciplinary for you, my lad. Can't go round using offensive language even in this, the private sector.

 

 

Maybe if it involved an insult as well but as it wasn't aimed at a person just the ideas I think I'll be alright and manage.

Though for the life of me I don't know why people are still falling for that public v private sector nonsense.

[ELBOWSEYE]

40 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

What on earth are you talking about ???

Regardless of what a person's actual job is or where they work, using offensive & discriminatory language against another 'employee' is pretty much outlawed everywhere in the UK. A rugby field is a workplace, just the same as an office or a building site and the employers and/or governing bodies all have rules against such behaviour.

For someone like Mcguire who's disciplinary record throughout his career has been very poor he's hardly likely to receive any leniency from the disciplinary panel if found guilty and could well receive a longer ban than Amone.  

Not sure his record in the NRL will have any bearing on his sentence. I keep reading of you about that record in the NRL and what you predict he will be like may turn out to be correct but if you look at Adrian Morleys NRL record it was terrible and played a part in his decision to come back yet his record at Warrington was superb and he was respected by all teams and most fans. 

[JohnM]

43 minutes ago, Oxford said:

Maybe if it involved an insult as well but as it wasn't aimed at a person just the ideas I think I'll be alright and manage.

Though for the life of me I don't know why people are still falling for that public v private sector nonsense.

Largely because its true, I expect. However a proper response would involve intruding into the politics sub-forum and I choose to avoid being infected or snowed on.

Edited February 10 by JohnM

[Oxford]

22 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Largely because its true,

I'm afraid it isn't John. It's one of those things that's nice to believe but has no basis in reality. Sort of cosy nonsense or intentionallly disingenuous and as you say often politically motivated.

And as far as I can tell nothing to do with any RL disciplinary process. I do find that people who believe that transgressions are just that and should be forgiven often also support the death penalty.

41 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

yet his record at Warrington was superb and he was respected by all teams and most fans. 

He may have calmed down by then of course, or in Oz he may have been ripe for stereotyping.

[Saint Toppy]

39 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

Not sure his record in the NRL will have any bearing on his sentence. I keep reading of you about that record in the NRL and what you predict he will be like may turn out to be correct but if you look at Adrian Morleys NRL record it was terrible and played a part in his decision to come back yet his record at Warrington was superb and he was respected by all teams and most fans. 

What you or I think of his record is irrelevant, its what the RFL think. And as far as I know when they review the level of punishment for a player found guilty of an offence they take into account that players past disciplinary record whether that be in the NRL or in SL.

McGuire has a pretty poor record in the NRL having been found guilty of numerous charges over many years. That won't do him any favours if he's found guilty of this charge

[Oxford]

10 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

And as far as I know when they review the level of punishment for a player found guilty of an offence they take into account that players past disciplinary record whether that be in the NRL or in SL.

And they shouldn't, unless it's persistently the same offences.

If you're guilty of knocking someone's head off one penalty keep doing it bigger penalty. Simple.

[Tippytoe]

7 hours ago, Saint Toppy said:

Yeah because cricket is such a fine example of a perfect sport - just ask all the 'non white' players at Headingly how they feel about the 'friendly banter' between players !!!

How do you know it was just 'non white' what ever that is.

[JohnM]

48 minutes ago, Oxford said:

I'm afraid it isn't John. It's one of those things that's nice to believe but has no basis in reality. Sort of cosy nonsense or intentionallly disingenuous and as you say often politically motivated.

And as far as I can tell nothing to do with any RL disciplinary process. I do find that people who believe that transgressions are just that and should be forgiven often also support the death penalty.

He may have calmed down by then of course, or in Oz he may have been ripe for stereotyping.

I'm afraid it isn't John. It's one of those things that's nice to believe but has no basis in reality. Sort of cosy nonsense or intentionallly disingenuous and as you say often politically motivated.

 

Fortunately for all concerned, I choose not to post this in the politics sub-forum nor anywhere else.

I may have not put this clear enough. Sweaty Craig is utterly and indisputably right, despite the continuous politically motivated pressure from the  blob such that it seems that a senior minister is accused of giving a civil servant "a cold stare.

[gingerjon]

9 minutes ago, JohnM said:

I'm afraid it isn't John. It's one of those things that's nice to believe but has no basis in reality. Sort of cosy nonsense or intentionallly disingenuous and as you say often politically motivated.

 

Fortunately for all concerned, I choose not to post this in the politics sub-forum nor anywhere else.

I may have not put this clear enough. Sweaty Craig is utterly and indisputably right, despite the continuous politically motivated pressure from the  blob such that it seems that a senior minister is accused of giving a civil servant "a cold stare.

Utter rubbish.

As per.

[binosh]

2 hours ago, Saint Toppy said:

What on earth are you talking about ???

Regardless of what a person's actual job is or where they work, using offensive & discriminatory language against another 'employee' is pretty much outlawed everywhere in the UK. A rugby field is a workplace, just the same as an office or a building site and the employers and/or governing bodies all have rules against such behaviour.

You and  several others on this board may think its nothing to get all worked up about, but thankfully the RFL take this kind of behaviour seriously, hence why the players have been charged with the highest possible grading for offences.

If the players used the words / phrases that have been alleged then quite frankly they both deserve to sit out the first couple of months of the season. For someone like Mcguire who's disciplinary record throughout his career has been very poor he's hardly likely to receive any leniency from the disciplinary panel if found guilty and could well receive a longer ban than Amone.  

WOW! I’ve seen it all now, a rugby field is like a workplace!

I can’t wait to go and pay and watch an accountant and cheer him on.

 

Edited February 10 by binosh

[GUBRATS]

4 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

 Chucking pints in the air, Is that stupidity or are they just wealthy?

Both

[Oxford]

1 hour ago, JohnM said:

Fortunately for all concerned, I choose not to post this in the politics sub-forum nor anywhere else.

I may have not put this clear enough. Sweaty Craig is utterly and indisputably right, despite the continuous politically motivated pressure from the  blob such that it seems that a senior minister is accused of giving a civil servant "a cold stare.

I think John we have been talking at cross purposes due to your first response ....   never mind eh?

[GUBRATS]

As I understand it , McGuire has been overheard saying a nasty word , Warrington have stated Amone said ' something ' , but unless an official has actually heard ' something ' ?

[Desert Skipper]

22 hours ago, Oxford said:

I do find that people who believe that transgressions are just that and should be forgiven often also support the death penalty.

23 hours ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

I don’t think there are many on here believing that transgressions should be forgiven, more a case of whether the punishment is consistent compared against other transgressions, such as targeted violent acts on the field. My opinion:

1) The context should be taken in to account - Using a term that was once a commonplace schoolboy insult in a verbal scrap with someone who clearly isn’t actually a sufferer of that condition isn’t targeted abuse. So an appropriate punishment to discourage use of it on the field, which may include a fine and public apology. If 8 matches minimum is the appropriate punishment then fine, but don’t give another player half that (or indeed nothing in some cases)  for trying to intentionally injure someone. Ban them for 2-3 years and the violence will soon clear up.

2) As seen already on here, passionately arguing leads to seemingly innocent parties using derogatory terms. ‘Moron’ is a misuse of a term for the mentally impaired, yet somehow hasn’t made it to the banned list yet. Yet somehow those outraged at the word ‘s***tic’ are happy to use it. Go figure!

[sweaty craiq]

3 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

As I understand it , McGuire has been overheard saying a nasty word , Warrington have stated Amone said ' something ' , but unless an official has actually heard ' something ' ?

If that’s true that sets a huge precedent and anyone can say anyone said whatever they know will attract a huge ban to gain a comp advantage, hope teams have 60 man squads

[Oxford]

2 hours ago, Desert Skipper said:

I don’t think there are many on here believing that transgressions should be forgiven

It was in direct reference to someone defending and expecting things to be forgiven in either the heat of the moment or suggestions of manliness I think.

 

2 hours ago, Desert Skipper said:

As seen already on here, passionately arguing leads to seemingly innocent parties using derogatory terms.

There is passionate arguing and then there's insults etc etc and how innocent posters are who use this stuff is questionable.

No doubt if it was Tez on Sky he'd be saying  "I know him and he's just not that sort of poster!"

[HullWire]

Wow, what an idiot he's been. I've not even heard that term for years. A ban of a couple of games, with education seems about right to me. A directed racial or homophobic slur should be 8.games at least. Just my opinion though

[The Ghost of 99]

A serious question, separate to the obviously bad indiscretions being discussed above:

Has anything been done to address the catastrophic failures of the disciplinary process last season which were one of the biggest stories of the year and which distracted and detracted from the Grand Final and other big games?

We simply can't afford to go through another year like that.

[Chrispmartha]

18 minutes ago, The Ghost of 99 said:

A serious question, separate to the obviously bad indiscretions being discussed above:

Has anything been done to address the catastrophic failures of the disciplinary process last season which were one of the biggest stories of the year and which distracted and detracted from the Grand Final and other big games?

We simply can't afford to go through another year like that.

Yes. Theyve changed it so you only get a ban from grade c or higher.

[LeeF]

5 hours ago, The Ghost of 99 said:

A serious question, separate to the obviously bad indiscretions being discussed above:

Has anything been done to address the catastrophic failures of the disciplinary process last season which were one of the biggest stories of the year and which distracted and detracted from the Grand Final and other big games?

We simply can't afford to go through another year like that.

Presumably the coaches have spoken to the players and worked on their discipline. No crime = no ban

[The Ghost of 99]

4 hours ago, LeeF said:

Presumably the coaches have spoken to the players and worked on their discipline. No crime = no ban

But the whole point last year was that the process was a mess with people in the game - including current and former referees - openly admitting major errors were being made. Then it culminated in the Morgan Knowles scandal which overshadowed the Grand Final.

People seem to have forgotten how bad this was for the sport last year. If proper action hasn't been taken to seriously overhaul the system then the narrative of the season will once again get sidetracked by this issue. IMG will be well aware of the problem but I suspect addressing it falls outside their remit.

[LeeF]

14 hours ago, The Ghost of 99 said:

But the whole point last year was that the process was a mess with people in the game - including current and former referees - openly admitting major errors were being made. Then it culminated in the Morgan Knowles scandal which overshadowed the Grand Final.

People seem to have forgotten how bad this was for the sport last year. If proper action hasn't been taken to seriously overhaul the system then the narrative of the season will once again get sidetracked by this issue. IMG will be well aware of the problem but I suspect addressing it falls outside their remit.

Knowles got off on a technicality. Nothing more. Nothing less. 
 

I wasn’t aware of any current referees stating the process was a mess. Have you a link. The former one(s) is a bit of publicity seeker if it’s who I think it is.

The single biggest issues last year were the players’ lack of discipline; the coaches inability to coach and sone clubs launching stupid, nay frivolous, appeals. 

[David Shepherd]

Are we seriously considering banning someone for 8 games for using a hurty word?

[JohnM]

53 minutes ago, David Shepherd said:

Are we seriously considering banning someone for 8 games for using a hurty word?

Oh, you've done it now.