IMG Grading Unveiled

[Harry Stottle]

5 minutes ago, glossop saint said:

The proposed system is not perfect. Especially as some of the finer details have not been revealed. Though some of the arguments against it have absolutely no basis. When these are then debunked some people (definitely not all as there are some really good points and posters arguing against) then turn to insults, mocking and petty point scoring. The old prejudices come out and it becomes difficult to then make valid points whilst they trip up over themselves to imply that the old enemies are against them again.

Oh my name it ain't nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I was taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that land that I live in
Has God on its side.

There are another 8 verses but we shall leave it at that, basically it means everyone considers that they are correct.

[glossop saint]

6 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Oh my name it ain't nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I was taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that land that I live in
Has God on its side.

There are another 8 verses but we shall leave it at that, basically it means everyone considers that they are correct.

I quite agree. Which we are all susceptible to.

[Derwent Parker]

21 hours ago, Oxford said:

Well 'arry that's one way to look at it. If you think P&R serves a purpose and has no drawbacks or vice versa that would be the case. But we've crossed swords far too often for you to think I discount P&R's good points. I just think IMG will get rid of it and I'm questioning how they're going about this and what the outcome will be. As yet, of course we've not seen any answer that can provide for both sets or even any sort of compromise. And IMG's grading for getting rid of lower clubs that are in the way seems far more detrimental in some ways than P&R.

IMG and all the SL clubs want to stop P&R [Maybe not Harry and other Leigh fans cos they can see - they wouldn't be there if it happened last year].

Likewise Wakefield or Hull KR for example if relegated this end of this year - if asked the same question about scrapping P&R then, would soon change their tune.

All just protecting themselves and their CF at the expense of others.

IMG are not saying they are pulling up the drawbridge because they may lose the votes of Ch and L1 - but they are doing it via the back door - because they know the grading system will keep everyone else out.

The grading criteria will save bottom SL team 99.9% of the time - IT STINKS

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, Derwent Parker said:

IMG and all the SL clubs want to stop P&R

Simply not true.

[glossop saint]

12 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

We will see. I hope you and others are correct but I am a little pessimistic that it will improve things to such a degree that it will be accountable.

Q. If Mr B had done last year what he is doing this year as with the entertainment would that have enticed more fans in? 

I can't see that it would have improoved the attendances much last year, so if it would not happen in Leigh why will ut happen at other Championship grounds, comments appreciated from Fev, Fax, York etc fans please.

I hope so too. Though I can definitely see it not working and being in this same debate yet again in 5 years time. Though I have more confidence in this since any revamp since I took interest in the game (I actually quite liked the 3x8s plan but I was wrong about that).

I think there would have been a slight increase though obviously not to the current extent. A lot of that will have come from being in SL through away fans, media exposure, Derek probably wanting to celebrate more. This is why there needs to be weighting and it needs to be appropriate, as I've said from day 1. 

Out of interest I wonder what the change in 'fandom' was like after Barrow and Hull KR started with their Toronto-esque beer gardens.

[gingerjon]

44 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

I don't understand the mental gymnastics of the Grading system being rigged in favour of existing Super League clubs against championship ones yet simultaneously being rigged in favour of the likes of Toulouse, London, Newcastle and York.

Exactly.

It's just paranoid, rambling nonsense.

[Dovster]

7 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Simply not true.

Really. I thought that I had read somewhere that a closed shop was deemed better by IMG to give better security for potential future investors.

 

[gingerjon]

3 minutes ago, Dovster said:

Really. I thought that I had read somewhere that a closed shop was deemed better by IMG to give better security for potential future investors.

 

Nope.

[Dovster]

21 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Nope.

Well that's one thing I like about the IMG proposals then.

[Chrispmartha]

46 minutes ago, Derwent Parker said:

IMG and all the SL clubs want to stop P&R [Maybe not Harry and other Leigh fans cos they can see - they wouldn't be there if it happened last year].

Likewise Wakefield or Hull KR for example if relegated this end of this year - if asked the same question about scrapping P&R then, would soon change their tune.

All just protecting themselves and their CF at the expense of others.

IMG are not saying they are pulling up the drawbridge because they may lose the votes of Ch and L1 - but they are doing it via the back door - because they know the grading system will keep everyone else out.

The grading criteria will save bottom SL team 99.9% of the time - IT STINKS

Where have you read they want to stop P&R, because it must be in a document I haven’t seen. Look forward to the link.

[RigbyLuger]

Every club is happy with promotion, but not relegation.

[Oxford]

2 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Disagree Oxy, the criteria is all about the accumulation of points in 3 categories, as it stands an 'A' is an 'A' without demarcation, BUT there will be different levels of 'B's from those close to an 'A' to those just above a 'C', we will have to await the full list of how points are gained to gauge the difference and input and expense that a club needs to afford to improve their score.

If there are differing groups within categories then we bought the snake oil.

[Oxford]

1 hour ago, Derwent Parker said:

IMG and all the SL clubs want to stop P&R

Yes they do.

 

1 hour ago, Derwent Parker said:

All just protecting themselves and their CF at the expense of others.

I think that's true but the categories are there to ensure ambitious sides can climb the ladder. But TGG's main weakness has always been self-interest.

1 hour ago, Derwent Parker said:

- because they know the grading system will keep everyone else out.

you're assuming they want to keep everyone that's in,  in!

[Derwent Parker]

1 hour ago, Chrispmartha said:

Where have you read they want to stop P&R, because it must be in a document I haven’t seen. Look forward to the link.

IMG said all 36 are graded and top 12 in SL.

At end of season Team 12 in SL will have higher points as they have all the other 11 SL bringing in crowds that lower leagues cant match, They all have better stadia through 20 years and Millions given to them in CF that lower leagues cant match,

So team 12 [whoever] will have higher points hence safe? because no auto P&R

[Angelic Cynic]

1 hour ago, Chrispmartha said:

Where have you read they want to stop P&R, because it must be in a document I haven’t seen. Look forward to the link.

Promotion and relegation will continue on the field of play between the second and third tiers with tier two increasingly filled with strong Category B Clubs.

 

Participation in the top tier to be based on a range of on and off field measures, delivered through a club grading system with the aim of supporting financial sustainability and encouraging investment into clubs. ‘Category A’ clubs will be guaranteed participation in the top tier whilst ‘Category B’ clubs will be re-assessed annually with the highest-ranking clubs occupying the remaining slots in the top tier.

Source - https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/news/12196/12719569/rfl-give-strong-support-to-radical-new-plans-from-img-to-scrap-super-league-relegation

 

The proposals, which require a majority of the 38 senior domestic clubs to vote in favour next month, will see each handed A, B or C grades and placed accordingly from the start of the 2025 season onwards. It is at this point the automatic promotion and relegation system will be axed.

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/rugby-super-league-img-grading-criteria-commercial-plans-img/#:~:text=The proposals%2C which require a,relegation system will be axed.

[Chrispmartha]

18 minutes ago, Derwent Parker said:

IMG said all 36 are graded and top 12 in SL.

At end of season Team 12 in SL will have higher points as they have all the other 11 SL bringing in crowds that lower leagues cant match, They all have better stadia through 20 years and Millions given to them in CF that lower leagues cant match,

So team 12 [whoever] will have higher points hence safe? because no auto P&R

You have inferred no P&R from that.

That isn’t what is being said.

[Chrispmartha]

7 minutes ago, Angelic Cynic said:

Promotion and relegation will continue on the field of play between the second and third tiers with tier two increasingly filled with strong Category B Clubs.

 

Participation in the top tier to be based on a range of on and off field measures, delivered through a club grading system with the aim of supporting financial sustainability and encouraging investment into clubs. ‘Category A’ clubs will be guaranteed participation in the top tier whilst ‘Category B’ clubs will be re-assessed annually with the highest-ranking clubs occupying the remaining slots in the top tier.

Source - https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/news/12196/12719569/rfl-give-strong-support-to-radical-new-plans-from-img-to-scrap-super-league-relegation

 

The proposals, which require a majority of the 38 senior domestic clubs to vote in favour next month, will see each handed A, B or C grades and placed accordingly from the start of the 2025 season onwards. It is at this point the automatic promotion and relegation system will be axed.

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/rugby-super-league-img-grading-criteria-commercial-plans-img/#:~:text=The proposals%2C which require a,relegation system will be axed.

Automatic P&R not P&R.

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, Derwent Parker said:

IMG said all 36 are graded and top 12 in SL.

At end of season Team 12 in SL will have higher points as they have all the other 11 SL bringing in crowds that lower leagues cant match, They all have better stadia through 20 years and Millions given to them in CF that lower leagues cant match,

So team 12 [whoever] will have higher points hence safe? because no auto P&R

London, Newcastle, Widnes, York all have better stadiums than Wakefield.

[Chrispmartha]

1 minute ago, NW10LDN said:

London, Newcastle, Widnes, York all have better stadiums than Wakefield.

And Cas

[Oxford]

A theme that re-appears on this thread and amongst pundits is the idea that if all clubs achieve cat A that all the matches will be wonderful and that contains no logic what so ever.

[Chrispmartha]

2 minutes ago, Oxford said:

A theme that re-appears on this thread and amongst pundits is the idea that if all clubs achieve cat A that all the matches will be wonderful and that contains no logic what so ever.

Who’s said that?

If all clubs achieve grade A it will mean that we have 12 clubs that are really well run on and off the pitch.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Oxford said:

A theme that re-appears on this thread and amongst pundits is the idea that if all clubs achieve cat A that all the matches will be wonderful and that contains no logic what so ever.

No one on here has said that and at least have the courage to quote whoever you are complaining about. You've developed a habit of sniping from the sidelines.

[Big Picture]

4 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

We aren't ' plonking ' anything anywhere , it's you and BP who are suggesting that 

If that's what you think, then you don't understand me at all.  Plonk means "to put something down heavily and without taking care" and I am most certainly not suggesting anything like that, and I don't think that @Pulgawould either.

[Mr Frisky]

4 hours ago, Pulga said:

I'm comparing the Dolphins with the Leopards. 

There is an upper limit on both. It's just that one is around 10x as much.

The biggest problem is a lot of fans from England and of a certain generation can't seem to grasp that sport is a business. It has been for quite a while. 

You don't plonk a new restaurant franchise in places with no people. It's bad business.

https://youtu.be/u7OILPlG3rY

Fans from England don't grasp.... the Premier League is the richest league in the world and even dwarfs NFL when you take into account worldwide fan base and sponsorship. 

Even England RU Twickenham empire dwarfs every other international RU set up - same with the Cricket etc etc

All F1 teams are based in the UK

Wimbledon dwarfs the Aussie open, the open golf is still the biggest golf comp etc etc

I think England (UK) and its fans know exactly that sport is a buisness mate, and have been leading the rest of the world for decades.  RL not so much - but you were talking about sport in general. 

 

[RP London]

4 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Disagree Oxy, the criteria is all about the accumulation of points in 3 categories, as it stands an 'A' is an 'A' without demarcation, BUT there will be different levels of 'B's from those close to an 'A' to those just above a 'C', we will have to await the full list of how points are gained to gauge the difference and input and expense that a club needs to afford to improve their score.

Thats not true there will be demarcation in the A categories because they won't stop counting when they reach 15.. also teams will need to know when they are slipping. The difference is its not as important as the B demarcation and therefore people are simply not concentrating on it. It's not one rule for one, one for another.