Attendance thread

[meast]

16 hours ago, daz39 said:

They or Hull FC haven't brought a big crowd to ours for years now.

For reference, Hull clubs' away followings recently

2023, FC 748, KR ?

2022, FC 665, KR 524

2021, FC 488, KR 631

2020 XX

2019, FC 2,154, KR 742, 544

2018, FC 666, 389, KR 464

2017,  FC 978, KR-X

2016, FC 1,200, KR 1,084.

[Damien]

17 hours ago, daz39 said:

6,621. They stopped pushing for a big crowd when they realised it was never going to happen due to the poor run of form, the offer was still running but wasn't being advertised anymore,   the club knew they'd timed it wrong so fair play for holding their hands up.

Maybe this attitude is the problem.

[meast]

4 minutes ago, Fevrover said:

But they can easily get 18-20,000 at the football, why do you think that is ?

They don't, officially they average around 12,000 core home support, the rest of the average crowd figure is made up of roughly 2,500 away fans and tickets issued, whether they're used or not.

But football is the most popular sport in the country by absolute miles, people don't need to be diehard football fans or followers to go to football, RL tends to attract RL fans as opposed to the wider public.

Huddersfield Town draw a large percentage of their support from outside Huddersfield, from wider Kirklees area, Holmfirth, Dewsbury, Batley, Mirfield, 'Cleck-heckmond-sedge', from the wider West Yorkshire area, Wakefield, Ossett, even as far as Barnsley, Oldham etc.

Different demographics, different social standings etc, generally football games are Saturday afternoons, far more accessible than Thursday or Friday night's for the vast majority I'd say? 

Comparing football and RL is fruitless and pointless.

[PECETTO]

On 27/08/2023 at 08:18, Eddie said:

Anyone know how many were at Hull, Perpignan or Toulouse? 

2487 in Albi 

[daz39]

1 hour ago, Fevrover said:

But they can easily get 18-20,000 at the football, why do you think that is ?

Simply because it's football and 'going to the footy' is a trendy pastime these days even for non fans, young uns take their mates, neighbours take their neighbours, families take other families, that simply does not happen where RL is concerned and even less so in a commuter town like Huddersfield where the majority of the population have got absolutey zero affiliiation in the town.

Edited August 28, 2023 by daz39

[Eddie]

4 hours ago, PECETTO said:

2487 in Albi 

Wow that’s a good crowd

[EggFace]

10 hours ago, meast said:

The Giants have been pushing for good local support for decades now and nothing seems to work.

That's the issue with Huddersfield, we have a large population in and around the town but they are reluctant to support the Giants sadly.

Why do they not support Rugby League but support Football.

[Tommygilf]

6 hours ago, EggFace said:

Why do they not support Rugby League but support Football.

1, Rugby League is less popular anyway. And 2, actually a lot of the football support comes from across areas where there are already RL teams like Dewsbury and Batley. 

[meast]

18 hours ago, EggFace said:

Why do they not support Rugby League but support Football.

See responses above.

Why do people in every town and city in the British Isles support football clubs but not rugby league?

[Anita Bath]

1 hour ago, meast said:

See responses above.

Why do people in every town and city in the British Isles support football clubs but not rugby league?

Its a simple game which has tended to avoid tinkering with laws of the game too much and keeps the same structure.  Fans get familiar with the divisions and cups and generally know whats going on.

Rugby league changes laws and structures continually, often at short notice.

I think there must be a standing item on the agenda of RFL meetings….what shall we change this week.

 

[bobbruce]

3 hours ago, Anita Bath said:

Its a simple game which has tended to avoid tinkering with laws of the game too much and keeps the same structure.  Fans get familiar with the divisions and cups and generally know whats going on.

Rugby league changes laws and structures continually, often at short notice.

I think there must be a standing item on the agenda of RFL meetings….what shall we change this week.

 

Football has had at least 7 law changes this season. 

[Damien]

Great news from the NRL. Smashed it this year:

More fans attended NRL games this season than ever before in a huge boost to the code ahead of the finals.

New aggregate and average crowd records have already been set in 2023, even though the regular season doesn’t conclude until Sunday. Figures collated before the start of round 27 show a total of 3,607,093 fans have gone through the turnstiles. That smashes the previous mark of 3,151,660 from 2012.

This year’s average crowd of 18,404 is also a record. Even if no one attended the final round of the season, 2023 would still surpass the next-highest average (16,468 in 2005). So far, the average attendance is up 22.6 per cent on the previous year.

...

And for some context:

Top 10 cumulative NRL crowd attendances

2023 (196 games) 3,607,093 fans

2012 (192 games) 3,151,660 fans

2010 (192 games) 3,149,927 fans

2011 (192 games) 3,130,669 fans

2009 (192 games) 3,085,281 fans

1995 (220 games) 3,061,893 fans

2018 (192 games) 3,045,440 fans

2007 (192 games) 3,024,040 fans

2008 (192 games) 2,993,469 fans

2005 (180 games) 2,964,288 fans

NRL 2023: Attendance records smashed as fans flock back to footy (smh.com.au)

[redjonn]

On 29/08/2023 at 23:12, bobbruce said:

Football has had at least 7 law changes this season. 

well yes, but they are not changing the play on the park...  so I don't think that is a comparable example between the codes changes.

[The Hallucinating Goose]

11,064 at Hull today. 

[The Masked Poster]

On 29/08/2023 at 17:50, meast said:

See responses above.

Why do people in every town and city in the British Isles support football clubs but not rugby league?

There’s probably -almost certainly in fact - more combined football fans in St Helens or Warrington (and definitely Leeds) than there are RL fans. Yet they manage to get respectable attendances. They don’t have to be as big as football, just be the best they can. 
From what you mentioned earlier, it sounds like Huddersfield have simply given up and stopped trying to get better attendances (RE: the Leeds game) because there’s no point. It also sounds like you’re fairly ok with that. 

Edited September 3, 2023 by The Masked Poster

[Dave T]

1 hour ago, The Masked Poster said:

There’s probably -almost certainly in fact - more combined football fans in St Helens or Warrington (and definitely Leeds) than there are RL fans. Yet they manage to get respectable attendances. They don’t have to be as big as football, just be the best they can. 
From what you mentioned earlier, it sounds like Huddersfield have simply given up and stopped trying to get better attendances (RE: the Leeds game) because there’s no point. It also sounds like you’re fairly ok with that. 

Yes, the football point is irrelevant. 

If we need to have comparisons, it's why 10k regulars can be found in a town like Warrington and not Hudds. 

[Eddie]

3 hours ago, The Masked Poster said:

There’s probably -almost certainly in fact - more combined football fans in St Helens or Warrington (and definitely Leeds) than there are RL fans. Yet they manage to get respectable attendances. They don’t have to be as big as football, just be the best they can. 
From what you mentioned earlier, it sounds like Huddersfield have simply given up and stopped trying to get better attendances (RE: the Leeds game) because there’s no point. It also sounds like you’re fairly ok with that. 

There may be more people interested in football but I doubt there are more people from either town going to watch live football matches than there are watching Saints or Wire. 

[bobbruce]

45 minutes ago, Eddie said:

There may be more people interested in football but I doubt there are more people from either town going to watch live football matches than there are watching Saints or Wire. 

I suppose it would be very difficult to work out. I assume you aren't counting places like Rainhill Whiston Rainford and Prescot and are only including people who live in St Helens itself. So you would also have to work out the number of Saints season ticket holders who live within the town as well which I think will bring the Saints numbers well down. 

[The Masked Poster]

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

There may be more people interested in football but I doubt there are more people from either town going to watch live football matches than there are watching Saints or Wire. 

Which is exactly my point. That there are numerous football fans local to RL clubs is not a barrier to decent attendances for some clubs but is others? 

[Chronicler of Chiswick]

At the moment I've got SL attendances as around 13% up on last season with the only clubs showing a fall being Cas (performance on the pitch?) and Wakey (reduced capacity due to redevelopment). For all the wittering of the doomsayers we don't seem to be doing that badly.

[JT RL]

World Cup attendance bounce 

[Hello]

On 15/08/2023 at 00:16, Harry Stottle said:

Which clubs do you have in mind.

Perhaps a 6 team format playing each other 5 times a season would help.

 

On 29/08/2023 at 20:52, Anita Bath said:

Its a simple game which has tended to avoid tinkering with laws of the game too much and keeps the same structure.  Fans get familiar with the divisions and cups and generally know whats going on.

Rugby league changes laws and structures continually, often at short notice.

I think there must be a standing item on the agenda of RFL meetings….what shall we change this week.

 

With respect, football tinkers also. I feel that much of the issue for RL's lack of popularity is self-inflicted with a lot of resistance and fear of letting anyone new in on the secret 

 

[Tommygilf]

8 minutes ago, Hello said:

 

With respect, football tinkers also. I feel that much of the issue for RL's lack of popularity is self-inflicted with a lot of resistance and fear of letting anyone new in on the secret 

 

The on field, generally, is fine. The problem is accessibility and profile.

[Sports Prophet]

Three crowds > 35,000 for the last NRL round is a fantastic achievement. 

Broncs v Storm - 43,271

Bunnies v Rooters - 36,263

Dolphs v Warriors - 35,438

 

 

[ghost crayfish]

Amazing to see the Dolphins drawing such large crowds in Brisbane. Really does show 2 Brisbane teams is long overdue... particularly when you compare them to some of the perpetual strugglers in Sydney.