Fri 18th Aug: SL: Wakefield Trinity v Castleford Tigers KO 20:00 (Sky)

[Wakey Til I Die]

Couple off iffy calls but we just weren’t good enough. Tough ask to stay up from here but its not over yet. 

[graveyard johnny]

the new Calder community soccer stadium stand looked to be taking shape at least 

[graveyard johnny]

big boppas season should be over now that "their kids" here as well - has their taxi in to town arrived yet?  party party pppppparty 

[corvusxiii]

23 minutes ago, Wakey Til I Die said:

Couple off iffy calls but we just weren’t good enough. Tough ask to stay up from here but its not over yet. 

You say that, I'd have been unhappy with a lot of the decisions. This as a Cas fan. Not convinced this is a healthy game. Different ref, different game. I'm happy to take on the, 'You make you're own luck' mob. 

[Wollo Wollo Wayoo]

On 16/08/2023 at 22:14, Wollo Wollo Wayoo said:

Historically Wakefield typically lose this type of game as it isn't near enough to the end of the season to be a must win. 

Cas look a decent bet @ 13/10 for the win or 10/1 for win by 10-15 points.

Typically Wakefield.

I got 5/4.

[north yorks trinity]

2 hours ago, Just Browny said:

The offside he just gave against Gale - where Gale was stood 8m away, still, with his hands in the air - was as bad.

Especially as the ball took a wicked bounce in Gale's direction and he went to some lengths to show that he was not taking part in play. 

[north yorks trinity]

3 hours ago, Dunbar said:

Think I will exit the thread now and enjoy the game rather than stay on the referee chat.

Perhaps if the referee didn't give us so much to chat about?? Just a thought!

[north yorks trinity]

2 hours ago, bratman said:

Good half for Cas, errors costing Wakey

Not just errors from Wakey either!

[meast]

I haven't read through the thread but I assume like all the TV matchday threads that the referee was shocking and it was his fault that Wakefield lost.

No doubt as well the game was spoilt for all the forum refs by the actual ref?

Forgive me if I'm wrong.

[Josef K]

Cracking win for Cas, i thought Wakey would win easy. I’ll have to catch up and watch it. I like Ward he’s a good coach, congratulations Cas. 
Saints travel to Cas on Friday that should be a good game. 

[north yorks trinity]

2 hours ago, DavidM said:

Looking at the touchie it didn’t look like he gave that forward pass

Well he wouldn't have because it wasn't! Real momentum shifter that.

Kendall has tended to give any tight call against Wakefield, but obviously only because that's how he honestly sees it. I wouldn't suggest any other motive as that would be inappropriate. Just bad luck nothing more. 

[north yorks trinity]

2 hours ago, gingerjon said:

I see a narrative developing and yet, so obviously it is painful to say, nobody but Wakefield is to blame for Wakefield losing tonight. Not the Ref, nobody … it is all on Wakefield.

Wakefield had a lot to do with Wakefield losing tonight. Kendall had a lot to do with Wakefield losing tonight. The VR had a lot to do with Wakefield losing tonight. Cas had something to do with it too. Do you realise that they're not mutually exclusive and RL matches, just like events generally, rarely hinge entirely on a single factor. 

Do you really see the world in black or white or are you just not keen on criticising refs. If the latter, fair enough, but don't over egg it.

[north yorks trinity]

2 hours ago, LeeF said:

Correctly ruled out.

One due to extreme pedantry, the other (the "forward" pass) incorrectly.

[north yorks trinity]

1 hour ago, corvusxiii said:

You say that, I'd have been unhappy with a lot of the decisions. This as a Cas fan. Not convinced this is a healthy game. Different ref, different game. I'm happy to take on the, 'You make you're own luck' mob. 

Classy and honest comment. Cas did well tonight and did make their own luck. Wakey didn't get a chance to make their own luck.

[Gates1]

Couldn't comment on the two disallowed Wakey tries as I was at the ground and didn't have a decent view of the screen/replies.  The Charbell try was a try though imo.

Kendal is getting some stick, but the controversial decisions werent really his.  I thought he reffed the ruck okay, can't remember Cas having a six again, think Wakey only had a few too and got his in game calls right, penalties, knock ons ect!

Not a great performance by any stretch of the imagination but a fair bit of improvement from Cas and a much needed away win despite a fair but of adversety.  Wards only had a handful of sessions with them.  Austin injured early on and was playing on one leg at times, Broadbent and Massey injured at 20 minutes and played no further part.

Much more spirited effort from Cas, much better kicking game and looked sharper in attack. 

 

 

[LeeF]

7 hours ago, north yorks trinity said:

One due to extreme pedantry, the other (the "forward" pass) incorrectly.

One due to correct applications of the laws of the game - it’s there in black & white. The other due to a correct forward pass decision. So despite your clear bias 2 spot on decisions. 

[LeeF]

7 hours ago, meast said:

I haven't read through the thread but I assume like all the TV matchday threads that the referee was shocking and it was his fault that Wakefield lost.

No doubt as well the game was spoilt for all the forum refs by the actual ref?

Forgive me if I'm wrong.

Despite what you might read the referee had a really good game and got lots of decisions spot on including all the major talking ones. In fact he was head and shoulders above any player on executing his skills and role. 

[LeeF]

7 hours ago, north yorks trinity said:

Wakefield had a lot to do with Wakefield losing tonight. Kendall had a lot to do with Wakefield losing tonight. The VR had a lot to do with Wakefield losing tonight. Cas had something to do with it too. Do you realise that they're not mutually exclusive and RL matches, just like events generally, rarely hinge entirely on a single factor. 

Do you really see the world in black or white or are you just not keen on criticising refs. If the latter, fair enough, but don't over egg it.

Kendall and the VR only had something to do with Wakefield losing because they correctly identified mistakes or errors by Wakefield so in reality they has nothing to do with Wakefield losing which was solely down to their players own overall inept performances.

[north yorks trinity]

1 minute ago, LeeF said:

One due to correct applications of the laws of the game - it’s there in black & white. The other due to a correct forward pass decision. So despite your clear bias 2 spot on decisions. 

Ah but the thing is, the laws of the game would have seen the first Castleford try disallowed for not having downward pressure "with control". But that would have been extremely pedantic and counter to general interpretation. I believe that a sensible and pragmatic decision was taken to correctly award the try.  Odd then that the laws of the game were then applied in a way they usually aren't to penalise Wakefield for offside twice, once denying a try to overturn the ref's on-field decision and once denying great field position when Wakey had momentum.

It seems there is no such thing as a "correct" forward pass decision; apparently they can't be judged after the event which is why the VR doesn't rule on them. I would say the decision was incorrect. You would say it was correct. However the fact is that tries like that are awarded 95% of the time. Frustrating to say the least.

[north yorks trinity]

7 minutes ago, LeeF said:

Kendall and the VR only had something to do with Wakefield losing because they correctly identified mistakes or errors by Wakefield so in reality they has nothing to do with Wakefield losing which was solely down to their players own overall inept performances.

Like I said to Gingerjon, the world really isn't as black and white as you seem to believe. Your kind of thinking is dangerous; not in a RL sense of course as that's just a game, but in politics where it leads to the horribly polarised world we live in. 

[meast]

18 minutes ago, LeeF said:

Despite what you might read the referee had a really good game and got lots of decisions spot on including all the major talking ones. In fact he was head and shoulders above any player on executing his skills and role. 

He usually is to be fair, it's most fans only see what they want to based on who they are backing.

As I said, I haven't read the thread I just presumed like most matchday thread it turned into another ref bashing post by people who have probably never attempted to referee a rugby game.

[LeeF]

50 minutes ago, north yorks trinity said:

Ah but the thing is, the laws of the game would have seen the first Castleford try disallowed for not having downward pressure "with control". But that would have been extremely pedantic and counter to general interpretation. I believe that a sensible and pragmatic decision was taken to correctly award the try.  Odd then that the laws of the game were then applied in a way they usually aren't to penalise Wakefield for offside twice, once denying a try to overturn the ref's on-field decision and once denying great field position when Wakey had momentum.

It seems there is no such thing as a "correct" forward pass decision; apparently they can't be judged after the event which is why the VR doesn't rule on them. I would say the decision was incorrect. You would say it was correct. However the fact is that tries like that are awarded 95% of the time. Frustrating to say the least.

The first Castleford try was correctly awarded under the laws of the game. There was no separation so by definition there was downward pressure and control. The 2 offsides were also correct & are applied regularly  

Of course there are correct forward pass decisions and last nights was one just like in a lot of other games both this & in previous seasons. Nothing frustrating at all

I know your team lost but that was solely down to them. The referee was excellent. Head & shoulders above any player. 

It’s really not healthy this behaviour your are exhibiting. 

Edited August 19, 2023 by LeeF

[LeeF]

42 minutes ago, north yorks trinity said:

Like I said to Gingerjon, the world really isn't as black and white as you seem to believe. Your kind of thinking is dangerous; not in a RL sense of course as that's just a game, but in politics where it leads to the horribly polarised world we live in. 

What the heck are you on about. 

Edited August 19, 2023 by LeeF

[LeeF]

37 minutes ago, meast said:

He usually is to be fair, it's most fans only see what they want to based on who they are backing.

As I said, I haven't read the thread I just presumed like most matchday thread it turned into another ref bashing post by people who have probably never attempted to referee a rugby game.

You are 100% correct in your last post. Yet another match thread ruined by those ref bashing without any knowledge or self awareness 

[Ackroman]

The Cas pack dominated the game which is why they won. Wakefield didn't get out of their own half without a penalty piggy back. The Bopper huffed and puffed and looked unfit.

All the calls were spot on. Yes one was technically correct but I think the laws should be changed to avoid a repeat.

Maybe Wakey's luck has finally run out - they've had plenty of it in the past.