Hull FC owner unsure if the club will survive the next 6 months

[Old Frightful]

On 27/09/2023 at 18:20, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

After Derek's announcement at the weekend maybe Pearson could move Hull FC over to Mr Beaumont's new Ultimate-Sooper-Dooper League competition in South Africa? Might give the 'big club' a decent chance of their first league title in 40 years 

I'd be very careful of commenting about Hull FC's recent winning siverware ability compared to your lot's achievements "since 1985" if I were you.

[Clinton Baptiste]

5 minutes ago, Old Frightful said:

I'd be very careful of commenting about Hull FC's recent winning siverware ability compared to your lot's achievements "since 1985" if I were you.

BINGO ,1985,50-0 

[Bedfordshire Bronco]

On 27/09/2023 at 12:38, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

“If I can get the club through the next six months, we will have a very bright future.”

Oh dear. "If" never sounds great in that sentence eh. 

https://www.totalrl.com/hull-fc-owner-adam-pearson-paints-bleak-picture-of-super-league-clubs-finances-with-significant-government-loan-to-be-repaid/

I used to be very blaise about this sort of thing

Then the top flight union side that I used to watch in the RL off season suddenly no longer existed 

It went from 8000 enthusiastic fans week in a great shiney stadium to nothing.....just like that. No phoenix club nothing 

I can't see any reason it couldn't happen to a SL club....hope I'm wrong 

 

[JonNgog]

8 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

I used to be very blaise about this sort of thing

Then the top flight union side that I used to watch in the RL off season suddenly no longer existed 

It went from 8000 enthusiastic fans week in a great shiney stadium to nothing.....just like that. No phoenix club nothing 

I can't see any reason it couldn't happen to a SL club....hope I'm wrong 

 

And it has now happened four times in that code. And in lower league football. In truth it’s amazing we haven’t lost a major club in the last few years.

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

10 hours ago, Old Frightful said:

I'd be very careful of commenting about Hull FC's recent winning siverware ability compared to your lot's achievements "since 1985" if I were you.

You think we haven't got a thick skin after all the FC fans' endless "since 1985" twaddle over our long years in the wilderness? I'm immune to it. You can't imagine the level of humility and gratitude real, long-term Rovers fans carry with us. You've never needed to develop it.

So no, the sentence is a deliberate in-joke at FC fans delusional attitude that they're a "big club". Only vaguely true if your only measure is the other team in Hull. Without the FC superiority complex over nearly 3 decades of Super League, the words don't need to exist. 

That's the gag: Hull FC fans go on endlessly about being the elite team in Hull, but the even the rough lot down Preston Road have won the league twice since you have. 

So, as we say down Poorhouse Lane... since 1985? Try since 1983 

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

2 hours ago, JonNgog said:

And it has now happened four times in that code. And in lower league football. In truth it’s amazing we haven’t lost a major club in the last few years.

We have, it's called Bradford. The difference between Union and League's professional sides is that ours have over a century embedded in the very fabric of their communities, at scale. It's not just a story of the last 25 years, before which clubs were really just the players, committee members and ex-players. That's the reality of Union clubs, and why whilst when theirs fail they die, and when ours fail they live on in some sort of zombie state like the Bulls, with fans refusing to let it happen and some local businessman having enough brass and local commitment to at least keep the lights on at some level.

I see that resilience as a strength. It's the positive flip-side of the parochial small mindedness that also holds us back in many ways. Life's weird like that eh. 

 

[Barley Mow]

1 hour ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

We have, it's called Bradford. The difference between Union and League's professional sides is that ours have over a century embedded in the very fabric of their communities, at scale. It's not just a story of the last 25 years, before which clubs were really just the players, committee members and ex-players. That's the reality of Union clubs, and why whilst when theirs fail they die, and when ours fail they live on in some sort of zombie state like the Bulls, with fans refusing to let it happen and some local businessman having enough brass and local commitment to at least keep the lights on at some level.

I see that resilience as a strength. It's the positive flip-side of the parochial small mindedness that also holds us back in many ways. Life's weird like that eh. 

 

Absolutely. I was going to post something very similar.

In our pro-set up the long standing roots in the community that the traditional clubs have mean that they are resurrected when they fail - Bradford (twice), Hunslet, York, etc.

Even the Hull/Gateshead and Huddersfield/Sheffield mergers were primarily 'saving' long established clubs.

Many of union's top clubs were essentially 'field and clubhouse' set ups a generation ago and so don't have the same deep roots as mass-entertainment for a community and are less likely to be resurrected for that reason. That is similar to our expansion clubs which don't usually get brought back when they fold - Sheffield (to their credit) being an exception.

Interestingly both London Irish and Wasps union clubs had amateur 'field and clubhouse' set ups alongside their pro-arms which are continuing despite the pro-teams failing. They are essentially reverting to type in their own way just as our clubs do.

My own club unfortunately are the only modern example of one of our traditional clubs which did not get the opportunity to reform in the pro-ranks.

Edited September 29, 2023 by Barley Mow

[EggFace]

3 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

We have, it's called Bradford. The difference between Union and League's professional sides is that ours have over a century embedded in the very fabric of their communities, at scale. It's not just a story of the last 25 years, before which clubs were really just the players, committee members and ex-players. That's the reality of Union clubs, and why whilst when theirs fail they die, and when ours fail they live on in some sort of zombie state like the Bulls, with fans refusing to let it happen and some local businessman having enough brass and local commitment to at least keep the lights on at some level.

I see that resilience as a strength. It's the positive flip-side of the parochial small mindedness that also holds us back in many ways. Life's weird like that eh. 

 

Union should not of started the Courage League stayed with the County model.

[Old Frightful]

3 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

You think we haven't got a thick skin after all the FC fans' endless "since 1985" twaddle over our long years in the wilderness? I'm immune to it. You can't imagine the level of humility and gratitude real, long-term Rovers fans carry with us. You've never needed to develop it.

So no, the sentence is a deliberate in-joke at FC fans delusional attitude that they're a "big club". Only vaguely true if your only measure is the other team in Hull. Without the FC superiority complex over nearly 3 decades of Super League, the words don't need to exist. 

That's the gag: Hull FC fans go on endlessly about being the elite team in Hull, but the even the rough lot down Preston Road have won the league twice since you have. 

So, as we say down Poorhouse Lane... since 1985? Try since 1983 

I'll let you off as you nearly always talk very well and I actually admire that in a Hull KR fan.

Although I suppose compared to that Hull KR fan who's spent recent weeks in the sin bin, you're almost a black and white yourself!

(That clearly was in humour!)

[jacksy]

7 hours ago, Old Frightful said:

I'll let you off as you nearly always talk very well and I actually admire that in a Hull KR fan.

Although I suppose compared to that Hull KR fan who's spent recent weeks in the sin bin, you're almost a black and white yourself!

(That clearly was in humour!)

He certainly talks about us quite a lot

[RayCee]

Why do all these wealthy types from around the world spend up large on Football clubs when they could have just as much fun with a RL club at a bargain basement price? Perhaps it's time RL stopped hiding its light under a bushel.

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

9 hours ago, jacksy said:

He certainly talks about us quite a lot

#since1983

[HawkMan]

7 hours ago, RayCee said:

Why do all these wealthy types from around the world spend up large on Football clubs when they could have just as much fun with a RL club at a bargain basement price? Perhaps it's time RL stopped hiding its light under a bushel.

These " Wealthy Types" don't invest in football for fun, but for return on investment and kudos.  The Glazers , Todd Boehly,Stan Kroenke etc would be rich nobodies without sports, RL sadly cannot provide the mass adoration or recognition,  and certainly not the financial gains, or in the cases of Qatar and Saudi, sportswashing effect.

Edited September 30, 2023 by HawkMan

[Gomersall]

1 hour ago, HawkMan said:

These " Wealthy Types" don't invest in football for fun, but for return on investment and kudos.  The Glazers , Todd Boehly,Stan Kroenke etc would be rich nobodies without sports, RL sadly cannot provide the mass adoration or recognition,  and certainly not the financial gains, or in the cases of Qatar and Saudi, sportswashing effect.

The Glazers are adored in the red half of Manchester.

[paul hicks]

last time they were in the mire they merged with another club (Gateshead) perhaps it's time for another merger but with a club nearer this time.

maybe it could be called hull Kingston rovers f.c. 

[Lowdesert]

12 hours ago, paul hicks said:

last time they were in the mire they merged with another club (Gateshead) perhaps it's time for another merger but with a club nearer this time.

maybe it could be called hull Kingston rovers f.c. 

would be like civil war.

The stadium is the problem and I can’t help feeling that the Council could have assisted in developing the Boulevard at the time/at some stage as that whole area has been part of housing developments overseen by them.

A lot of good stuff happening in Hull with development at the mo.

[paul hicks]

26 minutes ago, Lowdesert said:

would be like civil war.

The stadium is the problem and I can’t help feeling that the Council could have assisted in developing the Boulevard at the time/at some stage as that whole area has been part of housing developments overseen by them.

A lot of good stuff happening in Hull with development at the mo.

i always shudder when i hear talk of the council should step in .  as a business the clubs should sort themselves out for a long-term future not for the next season only. the councils have enough on having enough money to fund care homes let alone sorts clubs.

[Lowdesert]

54 minutes ago, paul hicks said:

i always shudder when i hear talk of the council should step in .  as a business the clubs should sort themselves out for a long-term future not for the next season only. the councils have enough on having enough money to fund care homes let alone sorts clubs.

The council owned much of the housing stock and have since regenerated a big percentage.  They have also assisted HKR.  
 

wakefield/cas councils, I think everyone shudders.

[Wakefield Ram]

On 27/09/2023 at 13:39, Eddie said:

Why not, they waste money on far worse things than rugby league, and as he says they made the clubs play behind closed doors thus losing the majority of their revenue. 

They wrote off £15bn in PPE fraud and waste 

[Bedfordshire Bronco]

21 hours ago, paul hicks said:

i always shudder when i hear talk of the council should step in .  as a business the clubs should sort themselves out for a long-term future not for the next season only. the councils have enough on having enough money to fund care homes let alone sorts clubs.

I think councils can and should be involved in stadium building/help /maintenance 

They are a community assett and can be treated differently to other businesses 

I have it in my head that this is massively the case in France ?

[Barley Mow]

8 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

I think councils can and should be involved in stadium building/help /maintenance 

They are a community assett and can be treated differently to other businesses 

I have it in my head that this is massively the case in France ?

Fair enough if they are Council owned facilities (I believe a lot are in France). Perhaps slightly different if a Council is providing finance/maintenance for privately owned property.

[Bedfordshire Bronco]

2 minutes ago, Barley Mow said:

Fair enough if they are Council owned facilities (I believe a lot are in France). Perhaps slightly different if a Council is providing finance/maintenance for privately owned property.

Yes if they are getting use too e.g. the community can use for meetings/ sorts events 

I always think it's mad to have a stadium just for RL that gets used maybe one day in every 25 of across a year 

[Josef K]

When FC play at home do they keep the beer takings from the bars on the ground, do Hull City as well!!. 

[Phil]

7 minutes ago, Josef K said:

When FC play at home do they keep the beer takings from the bars on the ground, do Hull City as well!!. 

I know in the case of The Shay neither Fax nor the football club get the revenue from the bars

[Gomersall]

1 hour ago, Josef K said:

When FC play at home do they keep the beer takings from the bars on the ground, do Hull City as well!!. 

I don’t think so. Seeing as Hull City also run the Stadium Management Committee it doesn’t make any difference to them.