Championship Meeting

[Griff]

51 minutes ago, Derwent Parker said:

No upsets anymore as the elite 12 dont come in till very last minute.

Or - it could be that full-time teams are so much better than part-time teams.

Just an alternative explanation.

[Griff]

7 minutes ago, Jimmy B said:

Mmm  - Do Sheffield still only publish “estimated” crowd figures Richard ?
serious question I haven’t looked for years.

No.

https://stats.rugbyleaguerecords.com/gameseason.php?matchcode=D&gamecode=M&seasoncode=2016&find_fixture=Find+Results&seares_length=30

Edited October 19, 2023 by Griff

[Derwent Parker]

6 minutes ago, Griff said:

Or - it could be that full-time teams are so much better than part-time teams.

Just an alternative explanation.

Well those teams will get a lot further every year than most when every other team are knocked out apart from 4 before they enter.

[Griff]

Just now, Derwent Parker said:

Well those teams will get a lot further every year than most when every other team are knocked out apart from 4 before they enter.

Maybe.  Maybe not.

Those four teams are the best of the rest.   But I don't see them turning over SL sides very often.

[Derwent Parker]

4 minutes ago, Griff said:

Maybe.  Maybe not.

Those four teams are the best of the rest.   But I don't see them turning over SL sides very often.

Who said anything about turning over a SL side??

I said 

There's plenty of L1 sides and community sides would love to be drawn away at Leeds/Wigan etc - The half gate would be worth a thumping.

Dont know what half gate at Leeds is - but i bet its more than the 15k CF that the L1 would get.

But it wont happen as this system ensures no-one can get near that opportunity.

[Griff]

5 minutes ago, Derwent Parker said:

Who said anything about turning over a SL side??

I said 

There's plenty of L1 sides and community sides would love to be drawn away at Leeds/Wigan etc - The half gate would be worth a thumping.

Dont know what half gate at Leeds is - but i bet its more than the 15k CF that the L1 would get.

But it wont happen as this system ensures no-one can get near that opportunity.

I see.

[Fevrover]

1 hour ago, Derwent Parker said:

No upsets anymore as the elite 12 dont come in till very last minute.

All pro/semi pro should be in at last 32 like it used to be.

Just like back in 88/89 season where by coincidence had the same amount of teams as we have now.

There was a prelim round  "Where every team was in bag" 

Leeds and Trinity were in prelim as well as 6 div2 and 4 community sides.

There's plenty of L1 sides and community sides would love to be drawn away at Leeds/Wigan etc - The half gate would be worth a thumping.

Dont know what half gate at Leeds is - but i bet its more than the 15k CF that the L1 would get.

But it wont happen as this system ensures no-one can get near that opportunity.

A third of the gate ,RL get a share. But that would still be great for most lower league teams.

[Derwent Parker]

1 minute ago, Fevrover said:

A third of the gate ,RL get a share. But that would still be great for most lower league teams.

Yes  as Griff was trying to make it look like i wanted all pro/semi pro teams in last 32 so L1/ community clubs could turn them over is absurd as he knows,

But there could be some upsets as the early rounds could pair the big teams up and give opportunities for some better Champ teams to go further?.

But that will never happen whilst SL teams are ring-fenced until all but 4 teams remain

[Griff]

4 minutes ago, Fevrover said:

A third of the gate ,RL get a share. But that would still be great for most lower league teams.

It's not an equal share though.  5% to the Cup Pool.  The VATmen get a sixth of the gate.

Have a look at Operational Rule A3.19.

[Fevrover]

1 minute ago, Derwent Parker said:

Yes  as Griff was trying to make it look like i wanted all pro/semi pro teams in last 32 so L1/ community clubs could turn them over is absurd as he knows,

But there could be some upsets as the early rounds could pair the big teams up and give opportunities for some better Champ teams to go further?.

But that will never happen whilst SL teams are ring-fenced until all but 4 teams remain

Waste of time now Challenge Cup imo. GONE are the days of an upset and as usual self serving SL don't give a dam.

[Fevrover]

Just now, Griff said:

It's not an equal share though.  5% to the Cup Pool.  The VATmen get a sixth of the gate.

Have a look at Operational Rule A3.19.

Crikey it's a wonder there's owt left for the clubs .

[Griff]

1 minute ago, Fevrover said:

Crikey it's a wonder there's owt left for the clubs .

I blame Rochdale Hornets for losing their VAT Tribunal case.

[gogledd]

34 minutes ago, Fevrover said:

Crikey it's a wonder there's owt left for the clubs .

Its not a lot. I remember we (North Wales Crusaders) played Wigan in the Challenge Cup and got a share of the gate. Its actually a share of the profits after Wigan take out all the payments including the Directors meals! Then theres all the shares that go out as highlighted above. And the overall crowd is low as its not part of anyones season ticket - so (Wigan) fans have to pay to go to watch a game that they're likely to win at a canter - we lost 98 - 4 (last try wins though!!) ..... Its not the big pay day that everyone expects.

[Chrispmartha]

59 minutes ago, Fevrover said:

Waste of time now Challenge Cup imo. GONE are the days of an upset and as usual self serving SL don't give a dam.

Is there anything you do actually like in the game?

[Rovers13]

1 hour ago, Chrispmartha said:

Is there anything you do actually like in the game?

Why don’t you ever ask me this question lol. I’ve always wanted to say grass lol. But on a serious note to say they have had a meeting today the silence is deafening lol. 

[Griff]

32 minutes ago, Rovers13 said:

Why don’t you ever ask me this question lol. I’ve always wanted to say grass lol. But on a serious note to say they have had a meeting today the silence is deafening lol. 

Might still be going on.

[Griff]

1 hour ago, gogledd said:

Its not a lot. I remember we (North Wales Crusaders) played Wigan in the Challenge Cup and got a share of the gate. Its actually a share of the profits after Wigan take out all the payments including the Directors meals! Then theres all the shares that go out as highlighted above. And the overall crowd is low as its not part of anyones season ticket - so (Wigan) fans have to pay to go to watch a game that they're likely to win at a canter - we lost 98 - 4 (last try wins though!!) ..... Its not the big pay day that everyone expects.

Nope.

But folk believe what they want to believe.

[Rovers13]

Just now, Griff said:

Might still be going on.

Lol griff wouldn’t surprise me tbh, behind the scenes is like an episode of Eastenders lol. 

[Derwent Parker]

19 hours ago, gogledd said:

Its not a lot. I remember we (North Wales Crusaders) played Wigan in the Challenge Cup and got a share of the gate. Its actually a share of the profits after Wigan take out all the payments including the Directors meals! Then theres all the shares that go out as highlighted above. And the overall crowd is low as its not part of anyones season ticket - so (Wigan) fans have to pay to go to watch a game that they're likely to win at a canter - we lost 98 - 4 (last try wins though!!) ..... Its not the big pay day that everyone expects.

No - It might not the big pay day that everyone expects.

But it should still be better than what we are getting now.

Unless directors/home team are unfairly working the system?

[Griff]

2 hours ago, Derwent Parker said:

No - It might not the big pay day that everyone expects.

But it should still be better than what we are getting now.

Unless directors/home team are unfairly working the system?

The away team can always check the turnstiles and online ticketing systems.

Or - you can just enjoy the day out.

[gingerjon]

1 hour ago, Griff said:

you can just enjoy the day out.

"We didn't get the money we were owed but it's fine because we also lost the match and then got told it was 'none of our business' what the real gate receipts were."

[Griff]

1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

"We didn't get the money we were owed but it's fine because we also lost the match and then got told it was 'none of our business' what the real gate receipts were."

Well, as someone who's actually checked turnstile readings at  away cup ties, I can confirm that no-one's ever told me it was "none of my business".

But you carry on with your allegations of corruption in the game.  Don't mind me.

[gingerjon]

3 minutes ago, Griff said:

you carry on with your allegations of corruption in the game

Do list these allegations of corruption in the game I've made.

[Griff]

55 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

"We didn't get the money we were owed but it's fine because we also lost the match and then got told it was 'none of our business' what the real gate receipts were."

There you go.

 

[Barley Mow]

Did this meeting actually take place?