Liverpool St Helens

[The Daddy]

The Borough of St Helens is now a part of the recently founded Liverpool City Region which started in 2014. It's a broad area which encompasses over 2 million people. St Helens over the years have presided over various initiatives in Liverpool city itself but I wouldn't really say they have made a big push in the city.

St Helens being part of the city region does give them more justification to adopt Liverpool as a catchment area and incorporate it into the club name. I know that I'll get shouted down by everyone on this site but I do think that a renaming of the club to Liverpool St Helens would benefit the sport and the club hugely, opening up the club and RL to a  much wider audience. 

The sport and RL clubs shouldn't be afraid to evolve over time and needs to proactively compete with other sports and social media to stay in the public consciousness. 

Catalan Dragons is a merger of local rivals St Esteve, St Cyprien and XIII Catalan they were not afraid to do something different and now they are one of the most successful clubs in the northern hemisphere. 

I'm particularly keen to see what Saints fans think, would they back a club with Liverpool in the name?

Disclaimer: Please don't all throw darts at me at once this is just a topic on a discussion forum which I'm keen to explore 

[Rovers13]

3 minutes ago, The Daddy said:

The Borough of St Helens is now a part of the recently founded Liverpool City Region which started in 2014. It's a broad area which encompasses over 2 million people. St Helens over the years have presided over various initiatives in Liverpool city itself but I wouldn't really say they have made a big push in the city.

St Helens being part of the city region does give them more justification to adopt Liverpool as a catchment area and incorporate it into the club name. I know that I'll get shouted down by everyone on this site but I do think that a renaming of the club to Liverpool St Helens would benefit the sport and the club hugely, opening up the club and RL to a  much wider audience. 

The sport and RL clubs shouldn't be afraid to evolve over time and needs to proactively compete with other sports and social media to stay in the public consciousness. 

Catalan Dragons is a merger of local rivals St Esteve, St Cyprien and XIII Catalan they were not afraid to do something different and now they are one of the most successful clubs in the northern hemisphere. 

I'm particularly keen to see what Saints fans think, would they back a club with Liverpool in the name?

Disclaimer: Please don't all throw darts at me at once this is just a topic on a discussion forum which I'm keen to explore 

But if saints adopt a Liverpool name wouldn’t Widnes need to merge as their from same area ish. 

[Bamboozle]

No,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,

 

no.

[GUBRATS]

5 minutes ago, The Daddy said:

The Borough of St Helens is now a part of the recently founded Liverpool City Region which started in 2014. It's a broad area which encompasses over 2 million people. St Helens over the years have presided over various initiatives in Liverpool city itself but I wouldn't really say they have made a big push in the city.

St Helens being part of the city region does give them more justification to adopt Liverpool as a catchment area and incorporate it into the club name. I know that I'll get shouted down by everyone on this site but I do think that a renaming of the club to Liverpool St Helens would benefit the sport and the club hugely, opening up the club and RL to a  much wider audience. 

The sport and RL clubs shouldn't be afraid to evolve over time and needs to proactively compete with other sports and social media to stay in the public consciousness. 

Catalan Dragons is a merger of local rivals St Esteve, St Cyprien and XIII Catalan they were not afraid to do something different and now they are one of the most successful clubs in the northern hemisphere. 

I'm particularly keen to see what Saints fans think, would they back a club with Liverpool in the name?

Disclaimer: Please don't all throw darts at me at once this is just a topic on a discussion forum which I'm keen to explore 

Liverpool St Helens already exists , in Union form 

[Gerrumonside ref]

Why stop at Liverpool St Helens?

Why not Manchester Wigan?

Honestly The Daddy, you should try visiting these places and talking to people in Liverpool and St Helens.

You would soon realise what a daft idea this is.

Edited October 15, 2023 by Gerrumonside ref

[The Daddy]

Just now, Bamboozle said:

No,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,

 

no.

You a Saints fan?

[The Daddy]

Just now, GUBRATS said:

Liverpool St Helens already exists , in Union form 

I know. 

 

[Bamboozle]

St Helens should be targeting areas and suburbs on the outskirts of Liverpool by way of school visits and coaching clinics etc.

[Bamboozle]

1 minute ago, The Daddy said:

You a Saints fan?

Yes,yes,yes,yes.

 

yes.

[Odsal Outlaw]

7 minutes ago, The Daddy said:

The Borough of St Helens is now a part of the recently founded Liverpool City Region which started in 2014. It's a broad area which encompasses over 2 million people. St Helens over the years have presided over various initiatives in Liverpool city itself but I wouldn't really say they have made a big push in the city.

St Helens being part of the city region does give them more justification to adopt Liverpool as a catchment area and incorporate it into the club name. I know that I'll get shouted down by everyone on this site but I do think that a renaming of the club to Liverpool St Helens would benefit the sport and the club hugely, opening up the club and RL to a  much wider audience. 

The sport and RL clubs shouldn't be afraid to evolve over time and needs to proactively compete with other sports and social media to stay in the public consciousness. 

Catalan Dragons is a merger of local rivals St Esteve, St Cyprien and XIII Catalan they were not afraid to do something different and now they are one of the most successful clubs in the northern hemisphere. 

I'm particularly keen to see what Saints fans think, would they back a club with Liverpool in the name?

Disclaimer: Please don't all throw darts at me at once this is just a topic on a discussion forum which I'm keen to explore 

They could invest more time and effort into Liverpool expansion without a name change, they are lucky that they have a club name which is synonymous with the sport. 

[GUBRATS]

Just now, Bamboozle said:

St Helens should be targeting areas and suburbs on the outskirts of Liverpool by way of school visits and coaching clinics etc.

They already do 

[The Daddy]

Just now, Bamboozle said:

St Helens should be targeting areas and suburbs on the outskirts of Liverpool by way of school visits and coaching clinics etc.

They've done that before

[The Daddy]

Just now, Bamboozle said:

Yes,yes,yes,yes.

 

yes.

Why you so against it, gives the club a bigger platform. The most successful SL club deserves more exposure, more sponsors etc 

[Bamboozle]

Just now, The Daddy said:

They've done that before

They need to keep doing it and build upon it.

[The Daddy]

Just now, Bamboozle said:

They need to keep doing it and build upon it.

Yeah build on it by adopting Liverpool as a city and adding it to the club name

[Rovers13]

On a serious note why do these mergers or name changes keep popping up on here? Theirs no appetite from fans for either especially as most established clubs are steeped in history of RL. 

[Bamboozle]

Just now, The Daddy said:

Why you so against it, gives the club a bigger platform. The most successful SL club deserves more exposure, more sponsors etc 

Because it means nothing to the people of Liverpool and St Helens.

all this trumped up geographical social engineering is pure fantasy.

[Bamboozle]

2 minutes ago, The Daddy said:

Yeah build on it by adopting Liverpool as a city and adding it to the club name

Because they are 2 separate cities/towns with their own proud identity and history.

[Rovers13]

Those that suggest mergers/name changes usually have no information on the areas they’re wanting to change. 

[The Daddy]

Just now, Rovers13 said:

On a serious note why do these mergers or name changes keep popping up on here? Theirs no appetite from fans for either especially as most established clubs are steeped in history of RL. 

No appetite from existing fans. Problem with the sport now is that it's in its own echo chamber. You can be steeped in RL history but that doesn't always translate to commercial success and getting more younger people into the sport. 

The reason why mergers and name changes keep popping up is because the sport in the UK is shrinking and should be open to rebranding in whatever form it takes to appeal to more people and stay in the public consciousness. 

[Rovers13]

Just now, The Daddy said:

No appetite from existing fans. Problem with the sport now is that it's in its own echo chamber. You can be steeped in RL history but that doesn't always translate to commercial success and getting more younger people into the sport. 

The reason why mergers and name changes keep popping up is because the sport in the UK is shrinking and should be open to rebranding in whatever form it takes to appeal to more people and stay in the public consciousness. 

So merging say fev c@s and wakey you’re saying that club would get 20k fans probably more if you’re looking to bring new fans in? That’s fantasy be lucky to get 2k no one in this area wants a merged team. 

[The Daddy]

4 minutes ago, Bamboozle said:

Because it means nothing to the people of Liverpool and St Helens.

all this trumped up geographical social engineering is pure fantasy.

Did you do a survey of people from both areas? Yeah, it can be fantasy but the sport needs to adapt, people don't want to change and still expect Sky to fork out millions and broadcasters and newspapers to give wall to wall coverage when the geographical footprint continues to shrink. Newcastle is gone, Skolars is gone, West Wales is gone. A huge mentality shift needs to happen across the sport. 

[Gerrumonside ref]

Just now, The Daddy said:

Did you do a survey of people from both areas? Yeah, it can be fantasy but the sport needs to adapt, people don't want to change and still expect Sky to fork out millions and broadcasters and newspapers to give wall to wall coverage when the geographical footprint continues to shrink. Newcastle is gone, Skolars is gone, West Wales is gone. A huge mentality shift needs to happen across the sport. 

Have you been to Liverpool or St Helens yourself?

[The Daddy]

1 minute ago, Rovers13 said:

So merging say fev c@s and wakey you’re saying that club would get 20k fans probably more if you’re looking to bring new fans in? That’s fantasy be lucky to get 2k no one in this area wants a merged team. 

I've never been an advocate of Fev, Wakey and Cas merging it adds no value to the sport. 

[Rovers13]

My Point is you need to do your research before floating fantasy ideas about.