IMG Grading System (Many Merged Threads)

[ATLANTISMAN]

55 minutes ago, phiggins said:

The ‘we’ in the post you quoted referred to Leigh. I will be surprised if Toulouse have not managed to work in some increases into their finances score with this year’s accounts, to get themselves towards or beyond the 15 point mark. If they do, then it’s Wakey + Toulouse replacing London + 1. 

Toulouse are not wanted won't happen your safe :)))

[LeeF]

37 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

That is really fantastic stuff. Is it the single biggest investment into improving facilities and standards at Cas in half a century or more?

Probably and many would say overdue.

This is one massive positive from the IMG involvement as clubs now have to look to improve in all aspects rather than just sit back

[LeeF]

12 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Toulouse are not wanted won't happen your safe :)))

They are as they are moving to Ebbsfleet

[LeeF]

13 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Toulouse are not wanted won't happen your safe :)))

It’s not a question of not being wanted. 

Just like all other clubs they have to meet the set criteria to achieve a Grade A or score sufficiently well as a Grade B to make the cut. 

Despite your constant insinuations the scoring criteria is well known to the clubs and it is in their hands not some third party with an ulterior motive or a conspiracy theorist

[Tommygilf]

17 minutes ago, LeeF said:

It’s not a question of not being wanted. 

Just like all other clubs they have to meet the set criteria to achieve a Grade A or score sufficiently well as a Grade B to make the cut. 

Despite your constant insinuations the scoring criteria is well known to the clubs and it is in their hands not some third party with an ulterior motive or a conspiracy theorist

Exactly, it's really boring now.

Some, and I emphasise some, club chairmen may have whined. But they aren't the ones deciding any of this now, and aren't in control of what other elements go into it.

[17 stone giant]

I genuinely have nothing against the wonderful town of Leigh, and I've always enjoyed the contributions of Harry Stottle and Gubrats....But in my darker moments, I can't help thinking that it would be quite fun on here if Leigh were to miss out. No one will care if it's Toulouse, but if it's Leigh and London!.....Tin hat on.

 

 

 

[Jill Halfpenny fan]

10 hours ago, 17 stone giant said:

I genuinely have nothing against the wonderful town of Leigh, and I've always enjoyed the contributions of Harry Stottle and Gubrats....But in my darker moments, I can't help thinking that it would be quite fun on here if Leigh were to miss out. No one will care if it's Toulouse, but if it's Leigh and London!.....Tin hat on.

 

 

 

No, if you want fun Toulouse need to make it and if Bradford could sneak their way in, Bingo.

[Harry Stottle]

15 hours ago, dboy said:

I kind of agree with the sentiment, but Wakey is a completely different beast, off the field, to the club under the previous owners.

At the launch of the IMG system, everyone was saying there was no way the lower SL clubs could ever really make the progress. Seems that where there's a will, there's a way.

The will can be acheived simply by the bar being set so low by IMG to obtain an A Grade, was this done purposefully to get to 12 'A's in the shortest possible time *then the closed shop drawbridge can be lifted, that is a strong possibility.

But seriously dboy we have 3 maybe 4 'A' grade clubs, Wakefield is not one of them, neither is my club Leigh, nor Cas, Salford, Toulouse, Huddersfield, both Hull clubs, albeit Catalan and Warrington could be open to debate as they are near too, no present Championship club will come remotely close, so that leaves just Wigan, Saints and Leeds who in my opinion are the true and proper Grade 'A's as much as I dislike each of them.

* then watch what we have start to slowly ebb away.

 

Edited August 30 by Harry Stottle

[sentoffagain2]

26 minutes ago, Jill Halfpenny fan said:

No, if you want fun Toulouse need to make it and if Bradford could sneak their way in, Bingo.

   No problem with Toulouse but Bradford playing out of Odsal would be insane.

[Harry Stottle]

14 hours ago, Spidey said:

Just shows the criteria is too soft. Wakey & Wigan (for instance) shouldn’t be in the same category at the moment. 

Beat me to it Spidey, see a couple of posts above.

Edited August 30 by Harry Stottle

[Harry Stottle]

1 minute ago, sentoffagain2 said:

   No problem with Toulouse but Bradford playing out of Odsal would be insane.

By what basis do you include Toulouse sentoff, 'Potential' perhaps, if so let them realise it before launching them in SL.

[Harry Stottle]

14 hours ago, dboy said:

I reckon it's tight, as only a couple of months back Ellis (Wakey owner), said we wouldn't be doing the LED boards this year as he didn't think they were needed yet. I was there when he said it.

Now, the club have announced they WILL be in place by IMG scoring time.

And as I answered to you above dboy, these incidentals can wipe away years of mediocrity from a club - any club - and suddenly hey presto they are one of the elite!

 

[Harry Stottle]

14 hours ago, Jill Halfpenny fan said:

It's all so exciting. 

It will either be of cataclysmic proportions or just a whimper, depending on how the scoring goes if it is a fraction of a point that demotes a team then expect the former.

And don't believe all those who say the Agreement prevents that further outside  developments cannot happen.

[gingerjon]

22 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

By what basis do you include Toulouse sentoff, 'Potential' perhaps, if so let them realise it before launching them in SL.

Realising potential before letting clubs into SL?

Spoken like a true IMG fanboy.

[Harry Stottle]

14 hours ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Toulouse are not wanted won't happen your safe :)))

And how will Toulouse not being wanted affect the criteria scoring system Paul, especially so at this late hour?

Personally I wonder how they got such an high placing at the indicative scores.

[Harry Stottle]

Just now, gingerjon said:

Realising potential before letting clubs into SL?

Spoken like a true IMG fanboy.

Not a clue what that means Ginge.

[gingerjon]

2 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Not a clue what that means Ginge.

It means that there is basically nothing in the gradings about potential. It’s one of the reasons why it will be harder for clubs outside SL.

You seem to be in favour of that, which is good to see.

[Harry Stottle]

12 hours ago, 17 stone giant said:

I genuinely have nothing against the wonderful town of Leigh, and I've always enjoyed the contributions of Harry Stottle and Gubrats....But in my darker moments, I can't help thinking that it would be quite fun on here if Leigh were to miss out. No one will care if it's Toulouse, but if it's Leigh and London!.....Tin hat on.

 

 

 

Yep and it wouldn't take long before we can take the long hike up to Workington, in League 1.

You reckon the 8K plus crowds Leigh enjoy would stay and Mr Beaumont would keep investing? not a chance, albeit there will be a lot on here who would like that.

Edited August 30 by Harry Stottle

[Harry Stottle]

Just now, gingerjon said:

It means that there is basically nothing in the gradings about potential. It’s one of the reasons why it will be harder for clubs outside SL.

You seem to be in favour of that, which is good to see.

Now I know you are just fibbing with me, I have said for a long time that Toulouse's only main attribute is what is conceived as their 'Potential', like when the misinformed on here spouted when the get into SL - as they did - 10K crowds would be commonplace - nope, the buisness community of Toulouse would gather around to elevate them - nope, Sponsers would be falling over themselves to invest - nope, and a whole host of other positives that did not have have not materialized.

I honestly believe that this IMG path to SL is what the management at Toulouse are banking on, fail on this and they will be history.

[Damien]

19 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Now I know you are just fibbing with me, I have said for a long time that Toulouse's only main attribute is what is conceived as their 'Potential', like when the misinformed on here spouted when the get into SL - as they did - 10K crowds would be commonplace - nope, the buisness community of Toulouse would gather around to elevate them - nope, Sponsers would be falling over themselves to invest - nope, and a whole host of other positives that did not have have not materialized.

I honestly believe that this IMG path to SL is what the management at Toulouse are banking on, fail on this and they will be history.

A lot of strawman arguments there.

They have had one season in SL that was still suffering the after effects of Covid and in which their first few home games were still played under Covid restrictions. The entire league suffered from poor crowds that season.

As for the rest they have always said their strength is their sponsorship portfolio and their business link, their partner list seems pretty impressive to me:

https://www.to13.com/partenaires/

Similarly their business events always seem well attended and that has been commented upon by other SL chairmen that have attended those.

I am presuming these are the kind of reasons why they also scored well on the indictive IMG ratings.

[sentoffagain2]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

By what basis do you include Toulouse sentoff, 'Potential' perhaps, if so let them realise it before launching them in SL.

  If they have enough points (manufactured) i would not be against their admission.Having been in before like Leigh when they had a go and found it  impossible to stay up the first season.Any promoted team should have a years grace but under IMG they will have at least 3 years.Can you imagine IMG scoring Leigh less than Bradford the difference in stadiums should be worth 3 points.

[The Blues Ox]

Am I reading it right that there is a good chance Cas are going to be ranked as a grade A club? 

I just hope there is at least one controversial decision and someone random gets chucked out of SL. For us non participants I think that would lead to the most entertainment and afterall that is what we all want isn't it, entertainment.

[Gooleboy]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Now I know you are just fibbing with me, I have said for a long time that Toulouse's only main attribute is what is conceived as their 'Potential', like when the misinformed on here spouted when the get into SL - as they did - 10K crowds would be commonplace - nope, the buisness community of Toulouse would gather around to elevate them - nope, Sponsers would be falling over themselves to invest - nope, and a whole host of other positives that did not have have not materialized.

I honestly believe that this IMG path to SL is what the management at Toulouse are banking on, fail on this and they will be history.

They didn't crack any pots the first time they went up, despite all the hype on here about big crowds and big sponsors.

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, Damien said:

A lot of strawman arguments there.

They have had one season in SL that was still suffering the after effects of Covid and in which their first few home games were still played under Covid restrictions. The entire league suffered from poor crowds that season.

As for the rest they have always said their strength is their sponsorship portfolio and their business link, their partner list seems pretty impressive to me:

https://www.to13.com/partenaires/

Similarly their business events always seem well attended and that has been commented upon by other SL chairmen that have attended those.

I am presuming these are the kind of reasons why they also scored well on the indictive IMG ratings.

So with all those positives Toulouse have, why could they have not done what Leigh have done Leigh relegated '21 one season in the Championship with a very concerted effort to bounce straight back with a 5 year plan from one man and a much weaker sponsorship portfolio.

Toulouse releagted '22 could have made a concerted effort to strengthen the playing roster to get into SL this season, knowing that it was the last opportunity to secure it on the field of play. Where was and is the buisness link and sponsorship to have made it happen? Does the ambition of all this wealth of a big city club not ride as high as a little club from a small town?

I think your presumptions may be correct to score highly with IMG, but that is what they are presumptions there is nothing tangible is there Damien? again it is down to that word 'Potential'.

I honestly do not think that they are as flushed or as potentially flushed as they make out and people want to believe they are, and as I say in my opinion they are reliant on getting the SL nod this time, failure to do that and they will resign from the RFL, unless this 'prett impressive' sponsorship portfolio and business links back them if they go back into the Championship, what do you think? Also directed at @Tommygilf as he agrees with you.

PS, sorry for adding to my many posts on this IMG thread, but you did quote me, and as I said Iike to respond to quotes.

Edited August 30 by Harry Stottle

[sentoffagain2]

35 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

Am I reading it right that there is a good chance Cas are going to be ranked as a grade A club? 

I just hope there is at least one controversial decision and someone random gets chucked out of SL. For us non participants I think that would lead to the most entertainment and afterall that is what we all want isn't it, entertainment.

   It's going to be fun if Leigh don't make it(i hope and think they will)Beaumont will not be a happy bunny.