IMG Grading System (Many Merged Threads)

[Worzel]

11 hours ago, Dave T said:

We do ringfence some for central activities and lower league clubs though. We dont just split it 12 ways.

 

True. But not very much. In the days ya £40m per season (and greater!) TV contracts we had the ability to centrally subsidise growth markets, but chose not to because the amounts involved were material and so other clubs would never countenance it (preferring to get more money themselves).  

Instead, we spent that money on a load of past-their-best Aussies and things like Stuart Fielden's £400k transfer fee! We need to remember exactly how much larger the salary cap used to be be, in real terms. We didn't have to do that, but we chose to do that. 

[The Blues Ox]

10 hours ago, Jill Halfpenny fan said:

Not even October yet.

Netflix are missing a trick if they are not onboard for this.

[dkw]

3 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Read back it has already been done.

Utter nonsense, theres nothing in that report that gets even close to what he claimed it said. 

[Click]

30 minutes ago, dkw said:

Utter nonsense, theres nothing in that report that gets even close to what he claimed it said. 

"Less disposable income than those going to Wimbledon" is a very broad brush.

[dkw]

Just now, Click said:

"Less disposable income than those going to Wimbledon" is a very broad brush.

It is, but what it isnt is anything close to this ""RL is poor, and watched by poor folk. How can we squeeze a bit more from these poor folk in order to even think about anything grander.""

[Dave T]

5 hours ago, phiggins said:

Leigh are one of a number of clubs that do not know what division that they will be playing in next season, despite finishing in the play offs again. All the while, will be trying to keep sponsors and season ticket holders on board for next year. Having submitted the data that they feel gives an A grade, to release the detail and back it up with numbers is entirely reasonable. It also acknowledged that the official score is still tbc by the RFL.

My view, anyone with an issue with it is basing it on an existing dislike of the owner. 

I most certainly wouldn't describe myself as a fan of DB, but I tend to agree with you here. I don't think the Cas guy got this much stick when he did release war and peace on how he thinks they may be a Grade A. As I said earlier, I find DB garish and his style a little pub bore-ish, but I think his transparency on this one should be applauded. 

I still find far too much unprofessional (some of the language used the use of the IMG logo - which isn't even used on the Grading Handbook), but I think he is justified in providing this update to their fans.

[Dave T]

3 hours ago, DemonUK said:

They based the original figure on finishing 7th and I am sure it states there would be no difference whether they finished 5th  or 6th.  Also (probably won't make much difference) but the stadium capacity is reduced due to the Stage that is set up in part of the East Stand for the last two seasons.

Yes - this is what I think the original slides got wrong, and is why I think they tried to hide it by putting the Saints attendance as the Primary reason to avoid claims of incompetence. 

The difference between v1 and v2 is exactly 0.1143 which is one performance place - that isn't a coincidence. 

And my own calculations confirm that the difference between 7th and 5th should add that number of points. What was incorrect was the statement that only a 4th place would increase it. 

Now, if I was a Leigh fan I'd hope that was the only error.

[Dave T]

34 minutes ago, Click said:

"Less disposable income than those going to Wimbledon" is a very broad brush.

But these things aren't just said to be snobby. They will have stats that identify customer demographic. 

I don't think it is a surprising, or offensive claim.

[Dave T]

2 hours ago, Worzel said:

True. But not very much. In the days ya £40m per season (and greater!) TV contracts we had the ability to centrally subsidise growth markets, but chose not to because the amounts involved were material and so other clubs would never countenance it (preferring to get more money themselves).  

Instead, we spent that money on a load of past-their-best Aussies and things like Stuart Fielden's £400k transfer fee! We need to remember exactly how much larger the salary cap used to be be, in real terms. We didn't have to do that, but we chose to do that. 

I don't think we are particularly disagreeing, I suppose I am pointing the finger in a very slightly different place than you. I don't expect clubs to do anything other than look after themselves and want more money. It literally happens in every sport in the world, and is responsible. 

I expect the leaders to have great strategies and influence the internal and external stakeholders to buy into the vision and support the strategies. 

We have many examples of the clubs being 'Turkey's voting for Christmas' - despite people loving that saying to bash them. I don't think we are as backward as is often made out - compared to many other sports, many which are far richer, I think we have been relatively progressive in our approach - but our leadership has been average at the very best imo.

[crashmon]

I think the key word is "Disposable Income".

My brother lives in Warrington, I live in Egham in Surrey.  I earn almost twice what he earns, similar sized houses, and he has much more disposable income at the end of every month than I do.

Yes House prices and salarys are higher down here. But so is the CoL.

[Worzel]

1 minute ago, Dave T said:

I don't think we are particularly disagreeing, I suppose I am pointing the finger in a very slightly different place than you. I don't expect clubs to do anything other than look after themselves and want more money. It literally happens in every sport in the world, and is responsible. 

I expect the leaders to have great strategies and influence the internal and external stakeholders to buy into the vision and support the strategies. 

We have many examples of the clubs being 'Turkey's voting for Christmas' - despite people loving that saying to bash them. I don't think we are as backward as is often made out - compared to many other sports, many which are far richer, I think we have been relatively progressive in our approach - but our leadership has been average at the very best imo.

No I think we broadly agree. I also think it’s reasonable for the clubs to try and act in their own short-term self-interest. I just wish the league had taken more central power, and taken their advocacy as what it was, rather than as an instruction backed by power.

This goes back to the founding of Super League. The opportunity was there to set-up a system of club grants, NRL-style, with a defined (greater) percentage to be retained at the centre for strategic deployment. 

The older you get, the more regrets you have when you look back with hindsight! At the time we are all just excited to see an influx of money into the sport, and didn’t think about how to set up structures to optimise it.

The curse of age

[Dave T]

3 minutes ago, crashmon said:

I think the key word is "Disposable Income".

My brother lives in Warrington, I live in Egham in Surrey.  I earn almost twice what he earns, similar sized houses, and he has much more disposable income at the end of every month than I do.

Yes House prices and salarys are higher down here. But so is the CoL.

One of the things that I liked about the article is that I don't think it patronised the 'working class' customer. It talked about give them a great product and they will still be valuable supporters of the sport. And I think that is important - let's consider football, I'm sure we all know 'normal' football fans who spend an absolute bomb following their team - whether that's season tickets, or trips to Europe etc. We may have many working class fans, but that doesn't mean we aren't prepared to spend our money - things like Catalans away trips is a really good example of there being a lot of value in our customer base. So I didn't see Archie's point about screw as much as we can from people, I saw it as serve our existing customers as best we can, give them a great product, keep them happy. 

And on top of that, they talked about getting more in the top of the funnel - which let's be honest, is what we need here. Whether that is more fans, more tv viewers, more sponsors, more investors, more players. 

It's all good.

[JohnM]

21 minutes ago, crashmon said:

I think the key word is "Disposable Income".

My brother lives in Warrington, I live in Egham in Surrey.  I earn almost twice what he earns, similar sized houses, and he has much more disposable income at the end of every month than I do.

Yes House prices and salarys are higher down here. But so is the CoL.

Exactly right. When setting up and running a side inside the North/South Circular, and indeed within the M25, I reckon you'd need at least twice as much money ifas in say Leeds. Players contracts: There's player accomodation costs for a start, other staff costs, vehicle and property insurances and more.

[Archie Gordon]

27 minutes ago, Dave T said:

... So I didn't see Archie's point about screw as much as we can from people, I saw it as serve our existing customers as best we can, give them a great product, keep them happy. 

And on top of that, they talked about getting more in the top of the funnel - which let's be honest, is what we need here. Whether that is more fans, more tv viewers, more sponsors, more investors, more players. 

It's all good.

They did talk about getting more in at the top of the funnel but were remarkably vague about who and where these folks might be. So the next paragraphs focused on the existing customers, their weekly budgets and their hard-earned pounds and pence. It's that fallback to the comfort zone of the existing base that riles me. And, of course, I extrapolated somewhat. But: as a game, we should and must be bolder and more confident.

EDIT: For example, I think they talked about the next generation of fans being attracted by Bevan French rather than Wigan. I'm with that to an extent. However, I'd have been more enthused if they'd have said Emily Rudge not Bevan French, said the interested kid was a girl, and said they lived in Woking. I just feel we always hem ourselves in with our thinking.

Edited September 25 by Archie Gordon

[Taffy Tiger]

5 hours ago, DemonUK said:

They based the original figure on finishing 7th and I am sure it states there would be no difference whether they finished 5th  or 6th.  Also (probably won't make much difference) but the stadium capacity is reduced due to the Stage that is set up in part of the East Stand for the last two seasons.

Hi Demon UK , not sure that the stage would class as a reduction in the Capacity , unless it is a permanent structure and the official LSV capacity has been reduced for all events as a result of this . If Leigh have decided to put that stage there , and only for their games , then the capacity would remain the same as if it wasn't there , otherwise Huddersfield (and other clubs) could build a stage for each of their games to get capacity reduced and increase Utilisation score . 

Edited September 25 by Taffy Tiger

[DemonUK]

50 minutes ago, Taffy Tiger said:

Hi Demon UK , not sure that the stage would class as a reduction in the Capacity , unless it is a permanent structure and the official LSV capacity has been reduced for all events as a result of this . If Leigh have decided to put that stage there , and only for their games , then the capacity would remain the same as if it wasn't there , otherwise Huddersfield (and other clubs) could build a stage for each of their games to get capacity reduced and increase Utilisation score . 

I am informed it does reduce the capacity.  It has been a permanent structure for the last two years anyway. Taking this years average it mean a difference of 0.06 of a point.  Not really worth losing sleep over.  Also, because we were in the Championship three years ago we are underneath the 3 year average required of 7500 so lose 0.5 against clubs who have averaged 7500+ over the last 3 years.  Another year in SL should hopefully boost us by another 0.5.

ATEOTD IMG will deliver the actual figures in around 28 days

[Taffy Tiger]

Just now, DemonUK said:

I am informed it does reduce the capacity.  It has been a permanent structure for the last two years anyway. Taking this years average it mean a difference of 0.06 of a point.  Not really worth losing sleep over.  Also, because we were in the Championship three years ago we are underneath the 3 year average required of 7500 so lose 0.5 against clubs who have averaged 7500+ over the last 3 years.  Another year in SL should hopefully boost us by another 0.5.

ATEOTD IMG will deliver the actual figures in around 28 days

Is it there for other events as well though eg Women's Football . If it is then the official capacity should have been reduced which will mean you would get the new reduced capacity

[binosh]

17 hours ago, JohnM said:

The initial release had 500 words and 6 pictures. The second email had about 50 words

new opportunity for  his creative writing?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2024/bbc-500-words-creative-writing-competition-returns

This guy thinks Derek writes every article on the website

[phiggins]

1 hour ago, Taffy Tiger said:

Hi Demon UK , not sure that the stage would class as a reduction in the Capacity , unless it is a permanent structure and the official LSV capacity has been reduced for all events as a result of this . If Leigh have decided to put that stage there , and only for their games , then the capacity would remain the same as if it wasn't there , otherwise Huddersfield (and other clubs) could build a stage for each of their games to get capacity reduced and increase Utilisation score . 

The capacity has been reduced on the advice of the LSV Safety Advisory Group. There are scenarios where closing a stand will result in a reduced capacity for the purposes of the utlisation score, Wakefield's closed stand last year being the most obvious. Whether using the space for the matchday experience counts is another matter entirely, but regardless,  I would expect Leigh's utilisation score to have increased slightly this year, with 2021 attendances dropping off.

[binosh]

1 hour ago, LeeF said:

You blamed IMG for things that aren’t down to IMG then you added the personal insult so maybe you should have considered the first sentence in the above quote before you first posted. 

You’re fan, I’m I’m more sceptical, if being a fan is an insult then so bit, you think im blinkered with hate, I’m not as easily offended it seems.

You still aren’t commenting on my point though are you? What are you're thoughts on this? Did they not mean the Broncos? Did they mean the Skolars or is there a brand new London team on the Horizon with 3 years grace in SL funded by the RFL? When is it happening?

Or is it just a load of nonsense to make it seem like they were doing something constructive?

This is for the Guardian National Newspaper-

 

London has been dubbed a ‘sleeping giant’ of rugby league by IMG, who say success in the capital is high on their agenda when it comes to transforming the sport’s long-term prospects. The global media company agreed a 12-year dealwith rugby league’s powerbrokers in May in an attempt to revolutionise the game on and off the field, with a licensing system set to replace conventional promotion and relegation for Super League by 2025.

IMG’s vice president for sports management, Matt Dwyer, says that capturing the attention of people in London and developing the sport in the city is firmly among their priorities after their research showed it ranks better than traditional rugby league cities in areas such as participation and interest.

 

 

[17 stone giant]

1 hour ago, binosh said:

London has been dubbed a ‘sleeping giant’ of rugby league by IMG

Are you not confident that IMG will have a plan to wake up this supposedly sleeping giant?

[17 stone giant]

6 hours ago, binosh said:

This guy thinks Derek writes every article on the website

Too busy baking cakes for that.

[Wollo Wollo Wayoo]

On 24/09/2024 at 15:58, The Blues Ox said:

Cas think with their scoring they are around 15 points. Saw something on X about them just missing out on 15 points because of the big screen not arriving on time but not sure how true that is but which current team in the Championship apart from Wakey is going to be near 15 points to replace them?

A few HGVs offloading in the car park at Belle Vue when I passed yesterday, fitting in with the story today that the new TV Gantry and LED Advertising Boards have arrived and will be installed before this weekend.

[dboy]

2 minutes ago, Wollo Wollo Wayoo said:

A few HGVs offloading in the car park at Belle Vue when I passed yesterday, fitting in with the story today that the new TV Gantry and LED Advertising Boards have arrived and will be installed before this weekend.

They were being fitted today.

All look good.

[Dave T]

2 hours ago, binosh said:

You’re fan, I’m I’m more sceptical, if being a fan is an insult then so bit, you think im blinkered with hate, I’m not as easily offended it seems.

You still aren’t commenting on my point though are you? What are you're thoughts on this? Did they not mean the Broncos? Did they mean the Skolars or is there a brand new London team on the Horizon with 3 years grace in SL funded by the RFL? When is it happening?

Or is it just a load of nonsense to make it seem like they were doing something constructive?

This is for the Guardian National Newspaper-

 

 

London has been dubbed a ‘sleeping giant’ of rugby league by IMG, who say success in the capital is high on their agenda when it comes to transforming the sport’s long-term prospects. The global media company agreed a 12-year dealwith rugby league’s powerbrokers in May in an attempt to revolutionise the game on and off the field, with a licensing system set to replace conventional promotion and relegation for Super League by 2025.

IMG’s vice president for sports management, Matt Dwyer, says that capturing the attention of people in London and developing the sport in the city is firmly among their priorities after their research showed it ranks better than traditional rugby league cities in areas such as participation and interest.

 

 

There are zero mentions of the broncos.