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[Chico]

21 minutes ago, Derwent Parker said:

And if you read all the info it has on that site it also states

"Situated on the Borough Park/Lonsdale Park site, and with over £6.4m currently invested in the stadium for phase 1, with additional funding for the community pitch, it is much more than a revamp. Until other stages are financed and completed it would make sense to retain some of the functionality of the site e.g., terracing."

You cannot rotate it 90 degrees and keep the terracing or we are going to have a very short and very wide pitch

I never said they were rotating it 90 degrees. You implied the picture on the site shows how it will be e.g both pitches going lengthways together. The Lonsdale site is next to Borough Park therefore the final pitches will be side by side with plenty of footprint in-between and around the sides of the 3G.

I also stated that the new stadium will eventually wrap around the pitch in 3 phases hence obviously to start with some of the terracing will be used to help both clubs use the facility before it is finished. 

You can try and twist it whichever way you want to help you to stay in the dark ages, the truth is that the new stadium and pitches will be an asset to both clubs and help them both grow as well as benefit the local community. The funds are there to kick start it and then both clubs and the operations team have plenty of scope to generate funds to keep it expanding to fulfil its maximum potential which will be more than what both clubs can currently generate. Times move on and it's time you maybe switch the light on and see the future will be bright when everyone works together.

But most likely you will sit in the dark and reminisce about how the good times were and how you wish it could go back to those times!

[Cumberland Sausage]

Both clubs and the supporters are crying out for this new stadium as both our stadiums are well past being functional for modern times.I personally do not trust the council to get it right and even though both clubs have input into the process the egos of cumberland council will ultimately decide what we end up with.My biggest fear for both clubs is that very good revenue streams will be lost with bar takings and hospitality being taken by the council or whichever company they put in to run the stadium ( just like the Leisure Centre which is run by Better on behalf of the council ).

[bobg]

1 hour ago, Chico said:

I never said they were rotating it 90 degrees. You implied the picture on the site shows how it will be e.g both pitches going lengthways together. The Lonsdale site is next to Borough Park therefore the final pitches will be side by side with plenty of footprint in-between and around the sides of the 3G.

I also stated that the new stadium will eventually wrap around the pitch in 3 phases hence obviously to start with some of the terracing will be used to help both clubs use the facility before it is finished. 

You can try and twist it whichever way you want to help you to stay in the dark ages, the truth is that the new stadium and pitches will be an asset to both clubs and help them both grow as well as benefit the local community. The funds are there to kick start it and then both clubs and the operations team have plenty of scope to generate funds to keep it expanding to fulfil its maximum potential which will be more than what both clubs can currently generate. Times move on and it's time you maybe switch the light on and see the future will be bright when everyone works together.

But most likely you will sit in the dark and reminisce about how the good times were and how you wish it could go back to those times!

You use the word “ eventually “ a lot, what happens if only stage 1 is funded, then the the project is just a new stand for the Reds, BP dimensions do not meet RFL requirements, therefore Town are shafted and would be left in the cold.

Let’s face it :- if the original plan had gone ahead, instead of being sabotaged, we would all be happy now. What’s to say this won’t happen again.

[Chico]

23 minutes ago, bobg said:

You use the word “ eventually “ a lot, what happens if only stage 1 is funded, then the the project is just a new stand for the Reds, BP dimensions do not meet RFL requirements, therefore Town are shafted and would be left in the cold.

Let’s face it :- if the original plan had gone ahead, instead of being sabotaged, we would all be happy now. What’s to say this won’t happen again.

Of course I use the word eventually because everyone knows it will be built in stages, that is a fact so why would I pretend otherwise

You do understand there is plenty of room to make the pitch bigger so I'm sure they will make it meet the rfl requirements.

Do you honestly believe they are going to build something just for the Reds benefit. This is a town with proud rugby and football heritage and the best way for both clubs to benefit is to give them what they both need to succeed to their best potential. Staying at their respective current grounds is not the way to achieve this. A shared stadium reduces both clubs outgoings whilst increasing potential income revenues, something which I'm sure both boards would welcome as that would mean they can showcase their clubs potential, give their supporters a better experience, allow the local community to benefit all while raising vital funds to help their clubs progress on the pitch. Which last time I looked is the ultimate goal of anyone connected to a sports club and any fan should be backing their clubs board to help achieve this.

[Route66]

Would really like the town board to come out with some statements of what they want and expect from any stadium, all credit to them for the increase in utilising what facilities are there with all the events on and bringing in the ladies football teams as massively helped their community involvement. Biggest problem is being stuck in a league which seems to have very little public appeal. I’ve always believed that the cost of admission was affecting attendances but after the weekends fantastic offer maybe the problem runs a lot  deeper. Hopefully some concrete plans will come soon but not full of confidence 

[The Voodooguru]

On 04/06/2024 at 11:13, Chico said:

So lets get this correct, Town have brought a football team in with the promise of letting them use their grass pitch along with the other 2 Rugby teams but you don't think the new Sports village stadium will be able to handle all the teams despite having 2 pitches, 1 being a hybrid and 1 being a 3G. Reds currently have 2 teams, looking to expand to 3 so that would mean on average 3 teams per pitch! How does that make sense or are you trying to say that Town have pulled a fast one and brought in the Football team despite knowing they wont all be able to play on the same pitch?

 

It is people like yourself that hold this and many other towns back from progressing in to the future. The new stadium is what both clubs and the town need to not only progress up their respective ladders but to also continue to grow in the community. Without it i predict that Town will, at best be in the exact same position in 5 years time or, more likely, cease to exist in their current set up and will need to operate in a smaller capacity.

I didn't realise the circus was in town Chico!

I think it's better if you stop assuming things on what you think I'm trying to say. If both Town & your beloved reds have football & rugby teams under their own respective banners all the way through the age groups and genders there will be a lot more teams wanting to train and use the facilities than 6 teams, otherwise they will be paying for them to use other pitches in the area. I didn't say under any promise why Town had brought a football team in, the fact is Allerdale girls are not one team it's 300 girls playing football for numerous teams.

People like me as you put it are all for progress, but it has to be in the correct way. At the meeting in the Carnegie many moons ago a very believable presentation left me feeling enthusiastic about the Cumberland sports village, that enthusiasm has now been very diluted. The "new stadium" that was promised has now become a revamp of the reds ground, with existing terracing being kept until unfunded further phases are rolled out. The reds fans will not care one jot about this as it will be better than what they have. Since the agreement for the shared stadium was mooted Town have progressed massively off the field, so can you tell me on what basis your 5 year extinction prediction is based?

Will you blindly accept a new stand as a new stadium with unfunded phases yet to be financed as an acceptable solution when the next phases may never be realised?  The Cumberland sports village website has hardly been kept up to date over the last couple of years, apart from them drawing more and more funding to finance the next phases that they havent met from their initial prediction. So why should I have confidence in these times of rocketing costs that we will get an all singing and dancing 4 sided stadium and training pitches that will allow both clubs to thrive instead of a Borough Park bus shelter that improves BP but is not suitable for rugby league?  Remember we played a few games at BP not so long ago and it is not suitable, we had an injured player from crashing into the steelwork surrounding the pitch, so don't try and sell me BP as a suitable alternative to DP.

It's people like you who don't read what others have written properly and assume their own views are held by everyone, and any opposing view ( of people like me) are holding whole towns back.

Know of any big tops going cheap Chico, we could have a covered stadium! 

Edited June 5 by The Voodooguru

[Derwent Parker]

2 hours ago, The Voodooguru said:

I didn't realise the circus was in town Chico!

I think it's better if you stop assuming things on what you think I'm trying to say. If both Town & your beloved reds have football & rugby teams under their own respective banners all the way through the age groups and genders there will be a lot more teams wanting to train and use the facilities than 6 teams, otherwise they will be paying for them to use other pitches in the area. I didn't say under any promise why Town had brought a football team in, the fact is Allerdale girls are not one team it's 300 girls playing football for numerous teams.

People like me as you put it are all for progress, but it has to be in the correct way. At the meeting in the Carnegie many moons ago a very believable presentation left me feeling enthusiastic about the Cumberland sports village, that enthusiasm has now been very diluted. The "new stadium" that was promised has now become a revamp of the reds ground, with existing terracing being kept until unfunded further phases are rolled out. The reds fans will not care one jot about this as it will be better than what they have. Since the agreement for the shared stadium was mooted Town have progressed massively off the field, so can you tell me on what basis your 5 year extinction prediction is based?

Will you blindly accept a new stand as a new stadium with unfunded phases yet to be financed as an acceptable solution when the next phases may never be realised?  The Cumberland sports village website has hardly been kept up to date over the last couple of years, apart from them drawing more and more funding to finance the next phases that they havent met from their initial prediction. So why should I have confidence in these times of rocketing costs that we will get an all singing and dancing 4 sided stadium and training pitches that will allow both clubs to thrive instead of a Borough Park bus shelter that improves BP but is not suitable for rugby league?  Remember we played a few games at BP not so long ago and it is not suitable, we had an injured player from crashing into the steelwork surrounding the pitch, so don't try and sell me BP as a suitable alternative to DP.

It's people like you who don't read what others have written properly and assume their own views are held by everyone, and any opposing view ( of people like me) are holding whole towns back.

Know of any big tops going cheap Chico, we could have a covered stadium! 

Well said - saved me a few posts - totally agree.

[bobg]

16 hours ago, The Voodooguru said:

I didn't realise the circus was in town Chico!

I think it's better if you stop assuming things on what you think I'm trying to say. If both Town & your beloved reds have football & rugby teams under their own respective banners all the way through the age groups and genders there will be a lot more teams wanting to train and use the facilities than 6 teams, otherwise they will be paying for them to use other pitches in the area. I didn't say under any promise why Town had brought a football team in, the fact is Allerdale girls are not one team it's 300 girls playing football for numerous teams.

People like me as you put it are all for progress, but it has to be in the correct way. At the meeting in the Carnegie many moons ago a very believable presentation left me feeling enthusiastic about the Cumberland sports village, that enthusiasm has now been very diluted. The "new stadium" that was promised has now become a revamp of the reds ground, with existing terracing being kept until unfunded further phases are rolled out. The reds fans will not care one jot about this as it will be better than what they have. Since the agreement for the shared stadium was mooted Town have progressed massively off the field, so can you tell me on what basis your 5 year extinction prediction is based?

Will you blindly accept a new stand as a new stadium with unfunded phases yet to be financed as an acceptable solution when the next phases may never be realised?  The Cumberland sports village website has hardly been kept up to date over the last couple of years, apart from them drawing more and more funding to finance the next phases that they havent met from their initial prediction. So why should I have confidence in these times of rocketing costs that we will get an all singing and dancing 4 sided stadium and training pitches that will allow both clubs to thrive instead of a Borough Park bus shelter that improves BP but is not suitable for rugby league?  Remember we played a few games at BP not so long ago and it is not suitable, we had an injured player from crashing into the steelwork surrounding the pitch, so don't try and sell me BP as a suitable alternative to DP.

It's people like you who don't read what others have written properly and assume their own views are held by everyone, and any opposing view ( of people like me) are holding whole towns back.

Know of any big tops going cheap Chico, we could have a covered stadium! 

Yeah well said, I think we all know a new stadium is not going to happen, a revamp BP yes, maybe that was the plan all along.

[Unicorn 106]

18 hours ago, The Voodooguru said:

I didn't realise the circus was in town Chico!

I think it's better if you stop assuming things on what you think I'm trying to say. If both Town & your beloved reds have football & rugby teams under their own respective banners all the way through the age groups and genders there will be a lot more teams wanting to train and use the facilities than 6 teams, otherwise they will be paying for them to use other pitches in the area. I didn't say under any promise why Town had brought a football team in, the fact is Allerdale girls are not one team it's 300 girls playing football for numerous teams.

People like me as you put it are all for progress, but it has to be in the correct way. At the meeting in the Carnegie many moons ago a very believable presentation left me feeling enthusiastic about the Cumberland sports village, that enthusiasm has now been very diluted. The "new stadium" that was promised has now become a revamp of the reds ground, with existing terracing being kept until unfunded further phases are rolled out. The reds fans will not care one jot about this as it will be better than what they have. Since the agreement for the shared stadium was mooted Town have progressed massively off the field, so can you tell me on what basis your 5 year extinction prediction is based?

Will you blindly accept a new stand as a new stadium with unfunded phases yet to be financed as an acceptable solution when the next phases may never be realised?  The Cumberland sports village website has hardly been kept up to date over the last couple of years, apart from them drawing more and more funding to finance the next phases that they havent met from their initial prediction. So why should I have confidence in these times of rocketing costs that we will get an all singing and dancing 4 sided stadium and training pitches that will allow both clubs to thrive instead of a Borough Park bus shelter that improves BP but is not suitable for rugby league?  Remember we played a few games at BP not so long ago and it is not suitable, we had an injured player from crashing into the steelwork surrounding the pitch, so don't try and sell me BP as a suitable alternative to DP.

It's people like you who don't read what others have written properly and assume their own views are held by everyone, and any opposing view ( of people like me) are holding whole towns back.

Know of any big tops going cheap Chico, we could have a covered stadium! 

Totally sums up what most fans are thinking

[Chico]

Oh well, If that's what most fans are thinking then it might be best for the Town directors to give an update on their business plan as moving to the new stadium is currently in their latest one.

 

The results on the pitch have, as will be understood, had an impact off the pitch. Due to the club's position in light of recruitment decisions coming into the 2022 season, declining attendances adversely affecting match day revenue and overall cost increases, immediate work on the cost base has been carried out to ensure the financial health of the club. 

In order to avoid future difficulties - and to drive towards the fantastic new stadium build and sustainable business model - more action needs to be taken over the coming weeks.

Above statement taken off Town website long after the original plans were mooted so the directors dont think they have progressed massively when it comes to being sustainable!!

The investment from Fibrus is what saved the club and despite the best efforts, and they are tremendous efforts from those involved, the good things happening off the pitch have not transpired into generating enough income to keep the club currently sustainable. So keep calling me a clown, keep calling it a bus shelter and keep dreaming of things staying exactly how they are and you will see that the club is going to suffer. Everyone can see this except those with blinkers on.

Neither stadium has been upgraded in the past 20 years and the costs are spiralling out of control for both clubs.

I take the point about the barriers around the current pitch are not suitable for Rugby and if a player did get injured then that's an awful thing to have happened and I hope it wasn't serious. However the current footprint allows for the new pitch to be extended whilst also removing the barriers and making it safer for all teams playing there. I would doubt very much that Town haven't had that input into the designs and I would also expect Reds to have the same concerns as well.

I for one, and I may be the only one, would love nothing better than to see operating costs decrease for both clubs whilst income increases, and that extra revenue being spent on both teams progressing on the pitch and the facilities being regularly upgraded to stay with the times. If that's me being a clown then so be it, I'll be the only clown who wants to see investment in the town that benefits the wider community and to give both clubs the best opportunities to progress, become sustainable and move along with the times.

[Derwent Parker]

34 minutes ago, Chico said:

Oh well, If that's what most fans are thinking then it might be best for the Town directors to give an update on their business plan as moving to the new stadium is currently in their latest one.

 

The results on the pitch have, as will be understood, had an impact off the pitch. Due to the club's position in light of recruitment decisions coming into the 2022 season, declining attendances adversely affecting match day revenue and overall cost increases, immediate work on the cost base has been carried out to ensure the financial health of the club. 

In order to avoid future difficulties - and to drive towards the fantastic new stadium build and sustainable business model - more action needs to be taken over the coming weeks.

Above statement taken off Town website long after the original plans were mooted so the directors dont think they have progressed massively when it comes to being sustainable!!

The investment from Fibrus is what saved the club and despite the best efforts, and they are tremendous efforts from those involved, the good things happening off the pitch have not transpired into generating enough income to keep the club currently sustainable. So keep calling me a clown, keep calling it a bus shelter and keep dreaming of things staying exactly how they are and you will see that the club is going to suffer. Everyone can see this except those with blinkers on.

Neither stadium has been upgraded in the past 20 years and the costs are spiralling out of control for both clubs.

I take the point about the barriers around the current pitch are not suitable for Rugby and if a player did get injured then that's an awful thing to have happened and I hope it wasn't serious. However the current footprint allows for the new pitch to be extended whilst also removing the barriers and making it safer for all teams playing there. I would doubt very much that Town haven't had that input into the designs and I would also expect Reds to have the same concerns as well.

I for one, and I may be the only one, would love nothing better than to see operating costs decrease for both clubs whilst income increases, and that extra revenue being spent on both teams progressing on the pitch and the facilities being regularly upgraded to stay with the times. If that's me being a clown then so be it, I'll be the only clown who wants to see investment in the town that benefits the wider community and to give both clubs the best opportunities to progress, become sustainable and move along with the times.

You are correct neither stadium has been upgraded in the last 20+ years, and that is about all you are correct in.

DP directors and volunteers maintained DP at a cost, whilst at the Same time Reds ripped their Grandstand down instead of maintaining it?

If the current plans go ahead with Phase 1 of the BP bus shelter complex? Then Reds might have ripped down the new stand before there is any Chance of getting the funds for the Phases 2 and 3.

P.S 

If the TOWN directors have stated "drive towards the fantastic new stadium" then that must have been a mistake because what is on offer is far from a fantastic new stadium

 

[Chico]

13 minutes ago, Derwent Parker said:

You are correct neither stadium has been upgraded in the last 20+ years, and that is about all you are correct in.

DP directors and volunteers maintained DP at a cost, whilst at the Same time Reds ripped their Grandstand down instead of maintaining it?

If the current plans go ahead with Phase 1 of the BP bus shelter complex? Then Reds might have ripped down the new stand before there is any Chance of getting the funds for the Phases 2 and 3.

P.S 

If the TOWN directors have stated "drive towards the fantastic new stadium" then that must have been a mistake because what is on offer is far from a fantastic new stadium

 

Well that just shows not only your ignorance but also your disrespect. The grandstand was taken down due to the Bradford stadium fire. I hope you never have to live through anything like that and I seriously hope you do not represent any fraction of Town supporters with comments like that!

As for your comment 'If the town directors stated ....' I clearly put that the statement was taken off the Town website so there is no if about it

[Derwent Parker]

6 minutes ago, Chico said:

Well that just shows not only your ignorance but also your disrespect. The grandstand was taken down due to the Bradford stadium fire. I hope you never have to live through anything like that and I seriously hope you do not represent any fraction of Town supporters with comments like that!

As for your comment 'If the town directors stated ....' I clearly put that the statement was taken off the Town website so there is no if about it

You didn't have to take it down you could have upgraded it?

[The Voodooguru]

20 hours ago, Chico said:

Oh well, If that's what most fans are thinking then it might be best for the Town directors to give an update on their business plan as moving to the new stadium is currently in their latest one.

 

The results on the pitch have, as will be understood, had an impact off the pitch. Due to the club's position in light of recruitment decisions coming into the 2022 season, declining attendances adversely affecting match day revenue and overall cost increases, immediate work on the cost base has been carried out to ensure the financial health of the club. 

In order to avoid future difficulties - and to drive towards the fantastic new stadium build and sustainable business model - more action needs to be taken over the coming weeks.

Above statement taken off Town website long after the original plans were mooted so the directors dont think they have progressed massively when it comes to being sustainable!!

The investment from Fibrus is what saved the club and despite the best efforts, and they are tremendous efforts from those involved, the good things happening off the pitch have not transpired into generating enough income to keep the club currently sustainable. So keep calling me a clown, keep calling it a bus shelter and keep dreaming of things staying exactly how they are and you will see that the club is going to suffer. Everyone can see this except those with blinkers on.

Neither stadium has been upgraded in the past 20 years and the costs are spiralling out of control for both clubs.

I take the point about the barriers around the current pitch are not suitable for Rugby and if a player did get injured then that's an awful thing to have happened and I hope it wasn't serious. However the current footprint allows for the new pitch to be extended whilst also removing the barriers and making it safer for all teams playing there. I would doubt very much that Town haven't had that input into the designs and I would also expect Reds to have the same concerns as well.

I for one, and I may be the only one, would love nothing better than to see operating costs decrease for both clubs whilst income increases, and that extra revenue being spent on both teams progressing on the pitch and the facilities being regularly upgraded to stay with the times. If that's me being a clown then so be it, I'll be the only clown who wants to see investment in the town that benefits the wider community and to give both clubs the best opportunities to progress, become sustainable and move along with the times.

I realise both clubs are operating in a straight jacket due the upkeep of their decaying stadiums. As I said if the stadium will be what was sold to us in the carneigie then get the diggers in tomorrow. But we were told that there were firms like Rolls Royce putting the money in to build the subsequent phases to offset their environmental and social impact. Since then the new stadium is now a new stand on BP, with no apparent funding secured for any other phases. Do you expect Town to move to BP with just one stand built and the hope that others will be built? It's a fantastic deal for the reds, as they stay in their home and have a shiny new stand but imo it's a raw deal for Town that have to give up their home for a substandard half built BP.

I honestly hope that the CSV release a statement next week announcing a fully funded stadium with a superb design that everyone will be eager to move forward. But a new stand in a football stadium with steel railings surrounding the pitch and the rest of it rotten is not my idea of what was sold to us in the carneigie. 

You may call people like me, but put yourself in the town fans shoes, if DP was getting a new stand and Reds had to move home for a half fulfilled promise, would all the reds fans be falling over themselves to give up years of history at BP to move into a rugby stadium with what was a speedway track around it?

[Derwent Parker]

1 hour ago, The Voodooguru said:

I realise both clubs are operating in a straight jacket due the upkeep of their decaying stadiums. As I said if the stadium will be what was sold to us in the carneigie then get the diggers in tomorrow. But we were told that there were firms like Rolls Royce putting the money in to build the subsequent phases to offset their environmental and social impact. Since then the new stadium is now a new stand on BP, with no apparent funding secured for any other phases. Do you expect Town to move to BP with just one stand built and the hope that others will be built? It's a fantastic deal for the reds, as they stay in their home and have a shiny new stand but imo it's a raw deal for Town that have to give up their home for a substandard half built BP.

I honestly hope that the CSV release a statement next week announcing a fully funded stadium with a superb design that everyone will be eager to move forward. But a new stand in a football stadium with steel railings surrounding the pitch and the rest of it rotten is not my idea of what was sold to us in the carneigie. 

You may call people like me, but put yourself in the town fans shoes, if DP was getting a new stand and Reds had to move home for a half fulfilled promise, would all the reds fans be falling over themselves to give up years of history at BP to move into a rugby stadium with what was a speedway track around it?

Still think a low level grandstand is rubbish - Town directors should demand to go for a proper stand like at DP as a minimum.

Soccer and Rugby are two totally different games - in the way they are played and watched.

As we saw in the FA final 90% of the game was City playing Passy in the 25 yards either side of halfway line and the only real action takes place in the penalty areas.

That's why a lot of fans at clubs like to be behind goals [ie Stretford end]

Most soccer pitches are crowned in the middle up to 12 inch drop from centre to touch,  which does not affect the view in soccer because the goals are in the middle.

Whereas in Rugby the action is all over the field with a lot of tries being scored in the corners. An Most fans stay down the touchlines as the action is all over the field.

Now if you are sitting in a low level stand you will not be able to see the opposite touchline or both of the opposite corners, but at DP you can see all of the field [apart from if you are behind a roof girder - only our older friends from BP will remember that.

 

 

[Chico]

5 hours ago, The Voodooguru said:

I realise both clubs are operating in a straight jacket due the upkeep of their decaying stadiums. As I said if the stadium will be what was sold to us in the carneigie then get the diggers in tomorrow. But we were told that there were firms like Rolls Royce putting the money in to build the subsequent phases to offset their environmental and social impact. Since then the new stadium is now a new stand on BP, with no apparent funding secured for any other phases. Do you expect Town to move to BP with just one stand built and the hope that others will be built? It's a fantastic deal for the reds, as they stay in their home and have a shiny new stand but imo it's a raw deal for Town that have to give up their home for a substandard half built BP.

I honestly hope that the CSV release a statement next week announcing a fully funded stadium with a superb design that everyone will be eager to move forward. But a new stand in a football stadium with steel railings surrounding the pitch and the rest of it rotten is not my idea of what was sold to us in the carneigie. 

You may call people like me, but put yourself in the town fans shoes, if DP was getting a new stand and Reds had to move home for a half fulfilled promise, would all the reds fans be falling over themselves to give up years of history at BP to move into a rugby stadium with what was a speedway track around it?

I 100% get the concern about the railings but I also believe that both sets of directors also have those concerns and there is plenty of room around the pitch to enable a new wider and longer playing pitch and for the railings to be removed.

As for it just being a 'bus shelter' the money that is already allocated allows for a new stand that not only wraps around a 3rd of the pitch at a high level but also have decent hospitality facilities underneath it which, let's face it, both clubs current stadium don't have in a way that can maximise potential revenue on a match day.

The building of the extra phases won't be done overnight, but with the right investments they can be achieved whether that's through Rolls Royce, Sellafield or any number of other companies. We have an opportunity to start something which can and should be a legacy for the growth and benefit of the area and both clubs.

So yes, an announcement is long overdue from CSV but I don't get why some people are just writing it off because it isn't what was originally planned. Those plans have gone and won't be back, what we need to do is back both clubs in delivering the best with what is on offer now.

If we don't we are going to lose this investment and opportunity and it may never come round again and the clubs will have to somehow carry on dealing with spiralling costs and I know that is not sustainable in the not so distant future.

[The Voodooguru]

10 hours ago, Chico said:

I 100% get the concern about the railings but I also believe that both sets of directors also have those concerns and there is plenty of room around the pitch to enable a new wider and longer playing pitch and for the railings to be removed.

As for it just being a 'bus shelter' the money that is already allocated allows for a new stand that not only wraps around a 3rd of the pitch at a high level but also have decent hospitality facilities underneath it which, let's face it, both clubs current stadium don't have in a way that can maximise potential revenue on a match day.

The building of the extra phases won't be done overnight, but with the right investments they can be achieved whether that's through Rolls Royce, Sellafield or any number of other companies. We have an opportunity to start something which can and should be a legacy for the growth and benefit of the area and both clubs.

So yes, an announcement is long overdue from CSV but I don't get why some people are just writing it off because it isn't what was originally planned. Those plans have gone and won't be back, what we need to do is back both clubs in delivering the best with what is on offer now.

If we don't we are going to lose this investment and opportunity and it may never come round again and the clubs will have to somehow carry on dealing with spiralling costs and I know that is not sustainable in the not so distant future.

So you are essentially saying that no matter what the design is we should all be thankful that BP has a new stand and be excited even if it might take any amount of time ( if at all) to fund subsequent phases, simply because the money is there to build a stand and a training pitch?

How can a stand wrap around one third of a pitch Chico? I don't know their names but the stand closest to the town & the one nearest the sports centre are not in good nick. I can't believe you struggle to understand why I'm not as enthusiastic as I once was when I was shown a picture of a Porsche but a Dacia could be delivered. If all the phases are funded you might win me over, but my mind changed the minute it came to light it isn't a new stadium anymore but a new stand on BP with existing 60 plus year old terracing retained. I feel like we were sold a pup.

Of course if the new stand was going on DP I'd still be all for it, f@%k the reds, they need to grasp the nettle and see the vision. They are so myopic, why can't they in the middle of this cost of living crisis trust that the money will be there for all the phases. Who cares that your club is moving to a ground that's not ideal for the sport you play,  both clubs will suddenly flush with cash and everything will be rosy in the garden because this money needs spent.

Buy hey people like me are luddites that would rather see my club struggling isn't that right Chico? 

Edited June 8 by The Voodooguru

[Route66]

As someone who watches both clubs I can see the concerns on all sides however it is worth noting that it was reported in 2020 that town received £77,000 to buy out the lease on Derwent park with an extension granted to stay until an alternative ground was available, really think it’s time both clubs and those on the sports village board give some meaningful updates 

[Derwent Parker]

27 minutes ago, Route66 said:

As someone who watches both clubs I can see the concerns on all sides however it is worth noting that it was reported in 2020 that town received £77,000 to buy out the lease on Derwent park with an extension granted to stay until an alternative ground was available, really think it’s time both clubs and those on the sports village board give some meaningful updates 

That money for the lease  - was when we were promised a Full Stadium - not a new bus shelter on a small site with very old terracing.

Town didn't renege on that the council did, so technically Town can stay at DP until we get what we are promised.

[Chico]

4 hours ago, The Voodooguru said:

So you are essentially saying that no matter what the design is we should all be thankful that BP has a new stand and be excited even if it might take any amount of time ( if at all) to fund subsequent phases, simply because the money is there to build a stand and a training pitch?

How can a stand wrap around one third of a pitch Chico? I don't know their names but the stand closest to the town & the one nearest the sports centre are not in good nick. I can't believe you struggle to understand why I'm not as enthusiastic as I once was when I was shown a picture of a Porsche but a Dacia could be delivered. If all the phases are funded you might win me over, but my mind changed the minute it came to light it isn't a new stadium anymore but a new stand on BP with existing 60 plus year old terracing retained. I feel like we were sold a pup.

Of course if the new stand was going on DP I'd still be all for it, f@%k the reds, they need to grasp the nettle and see the vision. They are so myopic, why can't they in the middle of this cost of living crisis trust that the money will be there for all the phases. Who cares that your club is moving to a ground that's not ideal for the sport you play,  both clubs will suddenly flush with cash and everything will be rosy in the garden because this money needs spent.

Buy hey people like me are luddites that would rather see my club struggling isn't that right Chico? 

Here is a question for you and please try and answer it without twisting my words or imagining I'm insulting you.

If a new stand was built that is currently better than what is the main stand at Derwent Park, a suitable new pitch laid with correct dimensions for both sports, the surrounding area around the pitch made safe for all and with a detailed business plan in place to build future stands would you support that or would you want to stay at Derwent Park until it is all fully built?

Genuine question with no hidden agenda

[Route66]

1 hour ago, Derwent Parker said:

That money for the lease  - was when we were promised a Full Stadium - not a new bus shelter on a small site with very old terracing.

Town didn't renege on that the council did, so technically Town can stay at DP until we get what we are promised.

Not an expert on legal matters but would be checking the small print on this, lease was sold on the cheap because the club was desperate for cash at the time, both clubs need a long term strategy, too much short quick fixes over my years of watching. However the current board have really impressed with their off field work, hopefully someone can enlighten us on this whole stadium issue 

[Derwent Parker]

13 hours ago, Chico said:

I 100% get the concern about the railings but I also believe that both sets of directors also have those concerns and there is plenty of room around the pitch to enable a new wider and longer playing pitch and for the railings to be removed.

As for it just being a 'bus shelter' the money that is already allocated allows for a new stand that not only wraps around a 3rd of the pitch at a high level but also have decent hospitality facilities underneath it which, let's face it, both clubs current stadium don't have in a way that can maximise potential revenue on a match day.

The building of the extra phases won't be done overnight, but with the right investments they can be achieved whether that's through Rolls Royce, Sellafield or any number of other companies. We have an opportunity to start something which can and should be a legacy for the growth and benefit of the area and both clubs.

So yes, an announcement is long overdue from CSV but I don't get why some people are just writing it off because it isn't what was originally planned. Those plans have gone and won't be back, what we need to do is back both clubs in delivering the best with what is on offer now.

If we don't we are going to lose this investment and opportunity and it may never come round again and the clubs will have to somehow carry on dealing with spiralling costs and I know that is not sustainable in the not so distant future.

Again you are wrong on many points.

The CSV website states they are keeping the terracing apart from the bit where the bus shelter is going. - So they cant lengthen the pitch.

You stated the stand is at a high level - on the cartoon drawing it is not high level. Not everyone will be able to sit on the top row to get a half decent view.

You state neither neither clubs have decent hospitality facilities underneath the stand and don't have in a way that can maximise potential revenue on a match day.  Well you obviously have not been to DP - because if you have you are talking out of your "Derriere" [sorry about French dont want banned again] - because That is one of the money making revenues Town are good at.

There will be no future large investment's unless someone wins lottery - so the bus shelter will be it - maybe possibly scrape up enough to build the greenhouse that's shown on phase 2 - but that still doesn't make it a stadium.

There is always the option to put the Bus shelter on one of the ends at DP,  Now that would be of use!

If we do  lose this investment, you are correct the clubs will have to somehow carry on dealing with spiralling costs - which is what is happening to almost everything in life at present - But the directors in Town are doing that now utilising the stadium better and have 4 different teams using it and carrying out functions etc at the hospitality facilities that you dont know about and to be honest are doing a great job.

But that is better than moving to BP Bus shelter project

 

[Derwent Parker]

11 minutes ago, Route66 said:

Not an expert on legal matters but would be checking the small print on this, lease was sold on the cheap because the club was desperate for cash at the time, both clubs need a long term strategy, too much short quick fixes over my years of watching. However the current board have really impressed with their off field work, hopefully someone can enlighten us on this whole stadium issue 

I have not seen the lease and unlikely to, I am just a fan and do not know any of the directors personally.

I heard that most of that money was spent on redoing the pitch - widening and lengthening it as well as better drainage, ready for when the stadium [the real one - not the bus shelter] work started and this was to be ready whilst we played at BP so both reds and Town would use DP whilst they knocked down and built the stadium [again the real one - not the bus shelter]

But just using common sense [Chico might struggle with this] LOL  - When the Stadium "AT THAT TIME" was going ahead and the council was buying the lease - Why would they say "until an alternative ground was available"  - and not "Until the new stadium is ready"

UNLESS This was a cunning plan all along as Chi Baldrick would say

[Bearintown]

If the move in together , in whatever form, does happen.

Then what will be the deal with hospitality and bar revenues?

This is the area that Town have shown real progress on and I dare say cannot afford to lose or dilute 

 

[Derwent Parker]

32 minutes ago, Bearintown said:

If the move in together , in whatever form, does happen.

Then what will be the deal with hospitality and bar revenues?

This is the area that Town have shown real progress on and I dare say cannot afford to lose or dilute 

 

I have asked all those questions on these various forums - with no proper answer other that "it will be sorted".

Remember from last season - League games alone - cant count cups because I dont know which or how many Reds had plus they are not guaranteed as you may be drawn away and lose at first step?

Town had 20 league games  [10 home]

Reds had 40 league games  [20 home]

Reds Reserves had 18 league games  [9 home]

So you cant just half income as its unfair on Reds

 

Equally stadium costs:-

Towns 10 league games are at summer no floodlights required - electric quite expensive.

Stewards and security costs etc, Cleaning after matches.

Reds 29 league games are at Winter a lot of  floodlights required - electric quite expensive.

Higher Stewards and security costs etc, Cleaning after matches.

So you cant just half expenses as its unfair on Town

 

Then you have all the work that that the Town club are doing off field 

Do the Reds do as much or the same? and generate as much/Less or More?

just going of last year alone  because of all the matches - will there be the opportunity to do any?

Will there be room there to do any?

Also certain opportunities like Euro and World cup - Town had this on on marquis - 

Who gets to do this in future and does all this have to be shared.

IT WILL BE CHAOS

But whilst both clubs have their own stadiums - they have control of their destinies.

Also remember both clubs shared BP before - It was before my time but I was told there was lots of arguing especially Shankly and Mitchell and was the reason Town went there own way