Sat 13th July : SL : Leigh Leopards v Huddersfield Giants KO 15:00 Sky TV

[sentoffagain2]

1 hour ago, The Blues Ox said:

Can you point me to the rule that covers it? Like I say it seems to be different for things like kicking off and kicking to goal so why would it be different for kicking to touch when its the same principal.

 I agree it could be confusing but it's been that way for as long as i can remember.Goal kick the ball has to clear the crossbar if it goes a foot over and then blows back it has  crossed the bar.A bit like a forward pass blown forward by a strong wind if it is level or back from the hands it is ok.The 10m from kick off all the ball has to do is travel over 10m if it is blown back or bounces back it is ok.But a kick to touch the ball is live until it touches the ground over the touchline.Same as if a winger is going for the corner and the pass crosses the touchline he can reach out and pull the ball back over the touchline and it is ok.Know i can't teach you owt about the game Oxy but that is my interpretation.Thought the Ref was not at his best for both sides in this game.

[StandOffHalf]

4 hours ago, Spidey said:

Lovely kids in Leigh

Quite saddening seeing the gaggle of them, led by the girl, giving the ref or the camera the V gesture. One wonders about their parents...

[Damien]

1 minute ago, StandOffHalf said:

Quite saddening seeing the gaggle of them, led by the girl, giving the ref or the camera the V gesture. One wonders about their parents...

This is the thing isn't it? If I'd have done anything like that I dread to think what my parents would have done.

[Chrispmartha]

Bizarre incident because the touchy hasn’t really done anything wrong - he’s put his flag up where the ball crossed the line, they don’t wait to see where the ball lands, unless it never actually goes out.

[StandOffHalf]

2 hours ago, bobbruce said:

Yeah that is a strange one but I actually don’t blame the touch judge here it’s his job to mark where the ball crosses the line for the penalty to be tapped. It’s the refs job to know that doesn’t matter if the ball doesn’t end up in touch. 

Yeah, he sees the ball sailing over the line above his head and naturally enough puts up his flag to mark the spot.

It's up to Grant to wave play on and over-rule him when the ball doesn't end up in touch.

[StandOffHalf]

2 hours ago, bobbruce said:

Yes but he’s also marking the point where it crossed the line which he did now he’s had a brain fart by not checking where the ball ended up. For me though the ref watched it all and his explanation was the ball went out of play so the last bit didn’t matter that means he doesn’t know the rules surely thats worse. 

Yes, I would be more worried by Grant not knowing the laws.

[Hopie]

11 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

Bizarre incident because the touchy hasn’t really done anything wrong - he’s put his flag up where the ball crossed the line, they don’t wait to see where the ball lands, unless it never actually goes out.

He made an assumption, he shouldn't have done that, that is a mistake (something wrong). He assumed the ball would land in touch but it didn't. I'd expect the review of the match to include him reviewing that mistake, *can't believe I have to type this* given he is the touch judge I would expect him to judge when it goes into touch correctly. 

[Chrispmartha]

12 minutes ago, Hopie said:

He made an assumption, he shouldn't have done that, that is a mistake (something wrong). He assumed the ball would land in touch but it didn't. I'd expect the review of the match to include him reviewing that mistake, *can't believe I have to type this* given he is the touch judge I would expect him to judge when it goes into touch correctly. 

Watch any kick for touch at a penalty, the TJ will put the flag up when and where it crosses the line, they never wait for it to land. 

it was a bizarre occurrence which is incredibly rare.

[LeytherRob]

31 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

Bizarre incident because the touchy hasn’t really done anything wrong - he’s put his flag up where the ball crossed the line, they don’t wait to see where the ball lands, unless it never actually goes out.

Yes i've never seen anything like it. I was in the stadium and was perplexed at the time but thought i'd possibly missed Moylan having his foot in touch when making the jump, but when you look at the footage you can clearly hear the ref whistle long before Moylan gets anywhere near it. Having checked the footage back on SL+, Moylan was well within the field of play when making the jump.

[Chrispmartha]

11 minutes ago, LeytherRob said:

Yes i've never seen anything like it. I was in the stadium and was perplexed at the time but thought i'd possibly missed Moylan having his foot in touch when making the jump, but when you look at the footage you can clearly hear the ref whistle long before Moylan gets anywhere near it. Having checked the footage back on SL+, Moylan was well within the field of play when making the jump.

And you can see in that pic the TJ has his back to it.

Its just a bizarre incident really and not some sign of the refs or TJ being totally incompetent 

[Leyther_Matt]

At the time we thought the ball had maybe blown back in to play having already crossed the line (and then back out again for Moylan to tip it back…!) but, watching it on the replay, it’s nothing of the sort.

No blame on the touch judge for me either, he’s just marking where the ball crossed the line. It’s  on the referee to confirm whether the penalty has been completed, for want of a better phrase. 

[StandOffHalf]

3 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

And you can see in that pic the TJ has his back to it.

Its just a bizarre incident really and not some sign of the refs or TJ being totally incompetent 

Worrying from the ref though, no?

[Chrispmartha]

3 minutes ago, StandOffHalf said:

Worrying from the ref though, no?

Worrying? Not really, he made a mistake in a bizarre incident that rarely happens.

[Harry Stottle]

3 hours ago, bobbruce said:

Yes but he’s also marking the point where it crossed the line which he did now he’s had a brain fart by not checking where the ball ended up. For me though the ref watched it all and his explanation was the ball went out of play so the last bit didn’t matter that means he doesn’t know the rules surely thats worse. 

And Mr Grant is one of the 7 Grade A Full Time refs, I will repeat that Full Time refs we have, my contradiction is not of him cheating in any way whatsoever just his lack of knowledge of a basic rule, he should be stood down for a period.

[phiggins]

2 hours ago, Chrispmartha said:

Worrying? Not really, he made a mistake in a bizarre incident that rarely happens.

It’s not all that rare to see a defender jump to try to keep the ball in the field. A complete misunderstanding of the rules by a ref is rare though 

[The Blues Ox]

The resulting abuse online from this decision is ridiculous. The irony that Richard Silverwood seems to be one of the ones leading it is not lost on me.

Ball goes over TJ's head, he is stood on the line, he puts his flag up. Its something that probably happens maybe 10 or more times a game. I can't remember many times a TJ checking to see that the ball has landed or hit something, his job is to basically mark the point where the ball crosses the line.

 

For me people should be more worried about a video ref decision for a no try that is clearly a try where the video ref has multiple angles and as much time to make a decision as he needs. When they get those wrong then its a much bigger issue than the one above that really had little baring on the game.

Edited July 14 by The Blues Ox

[LeeF]

The TJ was at fault.
 

The referee cannot overrule him on this type of decision.
 

It’s a relatively rare occurrence but you are supposed to wait for the ball to land or hit something outside the field of play 

[LeeF]

10 hours ago, Chrispmartha said:

And you can see in that pic the TJ has his back to it.

Its just a bizarre incident really and not some sign of the refs or TJ being totally incompetent 

That’s where this all starts going wrong. He won’t do that next time. 

[daz39]

Much improved effort from our guys, i think the game could have gone either way in the end, the good thing for me was we didn't give up, though ultimately the age old problem of indiscipline cost us today.

Nice to see some of the younger squad players giving a go and looking comfortable, McGowan and Rogers looked perfectly comfortable out there for us, also thought Connor looked somewhere near to being the danger we know he can be.

Happy with the effort and performance.

On a side note when did Leigh fans start acting like dikks? never come across so much hostility and abuse from them previously, not to mention the nice family on the screen.

There seemed to be a massive shift in language and behaviour in them in the last year or so.

Even with my Grandkids with me we were the victim of some right foul mouth tirades in the fanzone, under the stand and the walk back to the car and not just from kids either, very strange from a fanbase i've always thought were not like that.

Anyway the process is over and now in Robbo we trust.

[Thunder Road]

I thought Huddersfield played brilliant in the circumstances leading up to the game.Rogers & McGowan looked completely at home .Another 10 minutes and who knows.We need to shore games up when we go two scores in front.There were a few debatable decisions but that's what they are debatable. I think Huddersfield like Castleford maybe starting to turn the corner.If so the SL is the winner.

We missed charnley today that's clear.I think 6th maybe a bridge too far but play the team in front not the table.

[Harry Stottle]

39 minutes ago, daz39 said:

Much improved effort from our guys, i think the game could have gone either way in the end, the good thing for me was we didn't give up, though ultimately the age old problem of indiscipline cost us today.

Nice to see some of the younger squad players giving a go and looking comfortable, McGowan and Rogers looked perfectly comfortable out there for us, also thought Connor looked somewhere near to being the danger we know he can be.

Happy with the effort and performance.

On a side note when did Leigh fans start acting like dikks? never come across so much hostility and abuse from them previously, not to mention the nice family on the screen.

There seemed to be a massive shift in language and behaviour in them in the last year or so.

Even with my Grandkids with me we were the victim of some right foul mouth tirades in the fanzone, under the stand and the walk back to the car and not just from kids either, very strange from a fanbase i've always thought were not like that.

Anyway the process is over and now in Robbo we trust.

Hi daz, firstly I thought Huddersfield showed real commitment for Robbo and that shouts volumes for the respect they must have had for Watson, the effort they displayed for a number of last ditch tackles they performed yesterday would most probably have got a 'bhugger it can't be bothered in previous weeks'. As for the discipline that will right itself now they know that they can put in good  performances, yesterday was all about effort and with that comes mistakes and mistimed tackles, I would be very enlightened if I was you and your fellow Giants fans.

Secondly, as for the fan situation I am not even going to try to make any excuses, you are very correct the fanbase as not always been like that it has certainly changed over the last couple of seasons, the numbers are better than they have ever been in my 60 odd years of continual attendance that is a plus factor, but that brings with it a dark side, where were they before? I occupy the same spot in the North Stand I have stood in since the LSV opened it's doors in Dec 2008 and you are quite correct the fanbase was never as abusive as it is today, the language and attitude from a number of them is terrible, and as you say from different ages, it once was just a few you could count on both hands but a lot of the 'newbies' seemed to have followed their bad example and not those who set a good example.

I am just a fan of the team, I do not speak in any official type of capacity but on my behalf please accept my and the good fans apologies for what you expierienced yesterday, and I hope it did not spoil the day for you, your grandkids and your fellow Giants fans who attended.

[Ainley Top]

11 hours ago, StandOffHalf said:

Worrying from the ref though, no?

No? I would say yes.

[LeeF]

15 hours ago, StandOffHalf said:

Yeah, he sees the ball sailing over the line above his head and naturally enough puts up his flag to mark the spot.

It's up to Grant to wave play on and over-rule him when the ball doesn't end up in touch.

No it’s not

[JohnM]

I managed to catch the BBC match commentary in the second half at the point where Hudds came close to leading. Then it all went wrong for them and Leigh seemed to shift up a couple of gears, whilst Hudds seemed to fall asleep. What changed? It's hard to fathom from this match thread, mired as it is in the swamp of refereeing criticism.

[RigbyLuger]

7 hours ago, The Blues Ox said:

The resulting abuse online from this decision is ridiculous. The irony that Richard Silverwood seems to be one of the ones leading it is not lost on me.

There are many with a lack of self awareness with a connecting to our sport, and he must be near the top of the list.