Olympic Games: Paris 2024

[gingerjon]

4 minutes ago, Sidi Fidi Gold said:

I've just looked it up, she lost to eventual gold medalist Kelly Harrington in the Q/Finals.

It's a shame how obviously bent amateur boxing has become - and it was never pure - because in terms of pace and style, I tend to prefer it over professional boxing.

[Futtocks]

5 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

 

Curse the dastardly French for filling their pool with woke water! 

[Bedford Roughyed]

More to it than a quick twitter reaction suggests?

 

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Steve Bunce, BBC Radio 5 Live Boxing analyst 

I think it has hurt Olympic boxing at a crucial time where its future is still being discussed. It's an absolute disaster.

What's interesting is in the build up to the fight, some of her old opponents, good fighters, world champions and European champions, have said [Khelif] is not a cheat.

She's not a devastating puncher, that is only her fifth stoppage.

Carini, I feel for her absolutely, but you have to feel a little bit for Khelif, she's stuck in the middle of something here that's absolutely devastating and it's not over yet.

 

 

[gingerjon]

We need to return this thread to its original intentions.

Attractive Italian athletes and their fondness for cheese.

 

https://gabrieleseghizzi.com/stories/giorgia-villa-parmigiano-reggiano/

[The Hallucinating Goose]

2 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

We need to return this thread to its original intentions.

Attractive Italian athletes and their fondness for cheese.

 

https://gabrieleseghizzi.com/stories/giorgia-villa-parmigiano-reggiano/

Mmm... tasty!

[nadera78]

1 hour ago, Click said:

Er... What? I can't recall ever reading that Caster was a man. 

The short version is this. 

The word formerly used was intersex, which was not only offensive but also incorrect - every human being is either male or female, there is nothing in between. The modern phrase is a difference in sexual development, or DSD, and is pretty much what it sounds like.

Caster Semenya spent years stating that she was a woman with an abnormally high testosterone level caused by a DSD. During a court case she took against the athletics governing body it emerged that Semenya is biologically male, has male chromosomes, and a type of DSD that only occurs in men. So, she didn't have an abnormally high testosterone level, it was perfectly normal level for a man. Semenya also fathered (in biological terms) two children.

Media interviews almost always refer to her as a woman, which is a politeness I follow by using 'she'. And that gets to the heart of the sporting issue - do sports segregate based on sex or gender?

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

17 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

We need to return this thread to its original intentions.

Attractive Italian athletes and their fondness for cheese.

 

https://gabrieleseghizzi.com/stories/giorgia-villa-parmigiano-reggiano/

Sponsored by Big Parma?

[Click]

6 minutes ago, nadera78 said:

The short version is this. 

The word formerly used was intersex, which was not only offensive but also incorrect - every human being is either male or female, there is nothing in between. The modern phrase is a difference in sexual development, or DSD, and is pretty much what it sounds like.

Caster Semenya spent years stating that she was a woman with an abnormally high testosterone level caused by a DSD. During a court case she took against the athletics governing body it emerged that Semenya is biologically male, has male chromosomes, and a type of DSD that only occurs in men. So, she didn't have an abnormally high testosterone level, it was perfectly normal level for a man. Semenya also fathered (in biological terms) two children.

Media interviews almost always refer to her as a woman, which is a politeness I follow by using 'she'. And that gets to the heart of the sporting issue - do sports segregate based on sex or gender?

I am not sure if all of that actually means she is a man. 

Caster Semenya Q&A: Who is she and why is her case important? - BBC Sport

It is very complicated for sure, and has a lot of things going on, but calling her a man probably isn't quite right.

[graveyard johnny]

2 hours ago, Click said:

I am not sure if all of that actually means she is a man. 

Caster Semenya Q&A: Who is she and why is her case important? - BBC Sport

It is very complicated for sure, and has a lot of things going on, but calling her a man probably isn't quite right.

shes/hes- neither nowt or summat Barbera

[Maximus Decimus]

8 hours ago, gingerjon said:

It's a shame how obviously bent amateur boxing has become - and it was never pure - because in terms of pace and style, I tend to prefer it over professional boxing.

I always preferred the old points system. The modern version is so frustrating. In just 3 rounds, one badly called round is very hard to overcome.

[Copa]

10 hours ago, nadera78 said:

A man just beat a woman in the boxing ring. 

There’s no way Algeria would tolerate a trans woman representing them at the Olympics. Algeria would probably throw them in jail instead.

[nadera78]

10 hours ago, Copa said:

There’s no way Algeria would tolerate a trans woman representing them at the Olympics. Algeria would probably throw them in jail instead.

I'm not claiming these boxers are trans, it's more likely that everyone has considered them to be female since birth.

I'll go back to the Semenya example - born with XY chromosomes, testes working well enough to father children with help from a Dr, testosterone levels normal for a biological male and a form of DSD that only occurs in males, however, no visible male genitalia and in a South African social setting has been considered female since birth. It was only later on that she discovered that she was biologically make, which makes the whole thing so incredibly sad for her (and also difficult for sports).

If it's true, as claimed, that this Algerian boxer failed a sex test then it's most likely that she is in the same boat as Semenya.

[Maximus Decimus]

10 minutes ago, nadera78 said:

I'm not claiming these boxers are trans, it's more likely that everyone has considered them to be female since birth.

I'll go back to the Semenya example - born with XY chromosomes, testes working well enough to father children with help from a Dr, testosterone levels normal for a biological male and a form of DSD that only occurs in males, however, no visible male genitalia and in a South African social setting has been considered female since birth. It was only later on that she discovered that she was biologically make, which makes the whole thing so incredibly sad for her (and also difficult for sports).

If it's true, as claimed, that this Algerian boxer failed a sex test then it's most likely that she is in the same boat as Semenya.

Yes this.

I'm firmly against transwomen in women's sports, and must admit my first reaction was that this was what we were seeing.

However, it seems to be more of a case of the Semenya issue, where they might have only found out when they were older that were not biologically female.

It's still a difficult issue though, as was Semenyas. It might seem cruel for them to be excluded in his way, but is it not fair for other female athletes to be at a disadvantage and lose their chance to compete or win at the highest level.

 

[gingerjon]

13 hours ago, Copa said:

There’s no way Algeria would tolerate a trans woman representing them at the Olympics. Algeria would probably throw them in jail instead.

Fair play to Algeria (and Taiwan), they are defending their athlete.

I had no idea until this thread that the view now is that women can't have penises but men can have vaginas. Not what I expected on an Olympics thread but there you go.

Either way, I would seriously urge everyone to looked into the sheer and total corruption of the IBA. If you are taking their word on anything then you're a fool. They may be right on this but there is absolutely no evidence yet and given they claim to have evidence, that should be an easy thing for them to correct.

Anyway, everyone gets to be mad again at 2.30pm.

[Bedford Roughyed]

2 hours ago, nadera78 said:

born with XY chromosomes

You can be born with XY chromosomes and have enough biological plumbing to give birth.  So it's not as easy as saying it's likely they are in the same boat as Semenya.

Massive push from certain groups on this, saying how overpowered she is, male strength etc.  She has lost 9 fights out of 50, not an overwhelming great record and only won 5 by 'knockout', again hardly great.  

[Copa]

Now that the swimming is coming to an end Australia will fade away at the Olympics.

For those who have never lived in Australia, there’s almost a moral obligation to teach your children to swim. It’s considered critical to child safety.

[Futtocks]

7 minutes ago, Copa said:

Now that the swimming is coming to an end Australia will fade away at the Olympics.

For those who have never lived in Australia, there’s almost a moral obligation to teach your children to swim. It’s considered critical to child safety.

It would be an admirable thing in the UK.

In Australia, it just means you are exposing your kiddies to all the lethal stuff in the seas as well as all the twelvety trillion  things that can kill you on land.

[The Hallucinating Goose]

7 hours ago, Futtocks said:

It would be an admirable thing in the UK.

In Australia, it just means you are exposing your kiddies to all the lethal stuff in the seas as well as all the twelvety trillion  things that can kill you on land.

Mother Goose tried her upmost to teach me to swim but it was never for me and I don't think I've been swimming now since I was about 11. We have bridges and boats as an alternative these days.

[Futtocks]

Now the NRL's over for the day, I'm just catching up with the men's 100m qualification.

Jeremiah Azu's Olympic "journey" has lasted 0.073 seconds, as the Brit was disqualified for a false start.

[Maximus Decimus]

13 hours ago, Copa said:

Now that the swimming is coming to an end Australia will fade away at the Olympics.

For those who have never lived in Australia, there’s almost a moral obligation to teach your children to swim. It’s considered critical to child safety.

It is a requirement in the National Curriculum here that children can swim by the end of KS2. They all go as part of their schooling at some point. My lads school goes every week for a good 6 months.

I like the swimming at the Olympics but this there are way too many events. At the last games, more than half of the USAs medals were in the pool. 

Plus we'd absolutely batter the Aussies on the medal table if it wasn't for blimming swimming.

[Maximus Decimus]

59 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Now the NRL's over for the day, I'm just catching up with the men's 100m qualification.

Jeremiah Azu's Olympic "journey" has lasted 0.073 seconds, as the Brit was disqualified for a false start.

When it first came out, I thought it was cruel but in general I think it's been a success.

You look at swimming and never see a false start, the days of many many false starts before a race are long gone.

I might be wrong but I think they used to give you 3 each!

[Spidey]

58 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Now the NRL's over for the day, I'm just catching up with the men's 100m qualification.

Jeremiah Azu's Olympic "journey" has lasted 0.073 seconds, as the Brit was disqualified for a false start.

The other GB lad Hinchliffe did really well, think he was fastest in qualifying 

[Futtocks]

2 minutes ago, Spidey said:

The other GB lad Hinchliffe did really well, think he was fastest in qualifying 

He hasn't got the smoothest running action and he sports a mullet that wouldn't look out of place in the NRL, but he's quick.

[Maximus Decimus]

Tonight is the women's 100m and a poignant time to mention the absurdity of the 10.49 Flo-Jo world record, and probably not for the reasons you might think.

Much is made of how she was likely doping, but it should have been discarded regardless of that. Basically, it was an incredibly windy day but the wind reading gave a reading of 0.0.

There have been many studies since effectively proving that it was wind-assisted but still it stands to this day. 

 

[Futtocks]

4 minutes ago, Maximus Decimus said:

When it first came out, I thought it was cruel but in general I think it's been a success.

You look at swimming and never see a false start, the days of many many false starts before a race are long gone.

I might be wrong but I think they used to give you 3 each!

I think in swimming, you benefit more from a well-executed start, which outweighs a tenth or hundredth off the platform. In a track sprint (and even more in the sprint hurdles), it can ruin your race unless you really are an absolutely elite talent.