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40 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

They could raise a team, but the players they could raise were ineligible to play.

The way the story has been painted is that they just don't have enough players in their squad to fulfil the fixture, which is clearly not true. 

If you don’t have enough eligible players then you can’t raise a team.

I’d be surprised if it made any difference to their League 1 application either way. 

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dkw
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So the clubs get to hear whether their application has been accepted tomorrow, good luck to all 3. Frankly I would be happy if all 3 get in.

LeytherRob
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I can see the logic, however I do find this pretty disappointing and lacking in long term vision for the game in the south. This feels like the 'magic weekend at Elland road' decision they could have

RP London
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after match scran is important I agree but you cannot build a league one club purely on that surely..

OriginalMrC

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1 hour ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

They could raise a team, but the players they could raise were ineligible to play.

The way the story has been painted is that they just don't have enough players in their squad to fulfil the fixture, which is clearly not true. 

What are the specific rules? As far as I know the rules are no different to say league 1 where any registered player can play. Seems like a massive oversight if they have players in their squad who aren't registered. 

I know the league 1 club would be a completely new club with new players but this raises a red flag in terms of the management at the club if they can't raise a team for the biggest game in their history.

Edit. just checked and players have to have played a minimum of 2 games. Teams at this level can name 20 in their squad and use all subs. So it would seem based on the information from Vipers they had few injuries all season and unluckily picked them up at the end of the season. I am surprised the RFL have not allowed any dispensation in this scenario.

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4 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

I feel not enough people get this.

No - folk are so uneducated these days.   When folk can't distinguish between there, their and they're, or would of, could of, should of and would have, could have and should have, or lie and lay, or even he, she and they, you can't expect that many folk will grasp the difference between duel and dual.

Having said that, imagine coaches fighting a duel to see who gets the dual reg player in their team for the weekend.   Could be awesome.

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4 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

They could raise a team, but the players they could raise were ineligible to play.

The way the story has been painted is that they just don't have enough players in their squad to fulfil the fixture, which is clearly not true. 

But they couldn't raise a team of eligible players

The competition they are playing in like all competitions has rules of eligibility.

If they had enough players on their books then they should have ensured they were eligible to fulfil the criteria as laid down in the rules by playing then during the qualifying games. The number of players on their roster is immaterial its the number of qualified players that count.

They knew the rules but didn't apply them correctly. Hence they could not field a team

 

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1 hour ago, Bearman said:

But they couldn't raise a team of eligible players

The competition they are playing in like all competitions has rules of eligibility.

If they had enough players on their books then they should have ensured they were eligible to fulfil the criteria as laid down in the rules by playing then during the qualifying games. The number of players on their roster is immaterial its the number of qualified players that count.

They knew the rules but didn't apply them correctly. Hence they could not field a team

 

So are you saying a community club in a non heartlands area should be wise enough to fill its books with loads of players who won’t play many games, but make sure each of them play at least two in the (pitifully short) league season, just in case they make the HJ Cup? 

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20 minutes ago, Eddie said:

So are you saying a community club in a non heartlands area should be wise enough to fill its books with loads of players who won’t play many games, but make sure each of them play at least two in the (pitifully short) league season, just in case they make the HJ Cup? 

If they want to be able to raise a team: yes.

If they are not bothered about raising a team: no.

It's really up to them.

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35 minutes ago, Eddie said:

So are you saying a community club in a non heartlands area should be wise enough to fill its books with loads of players who won’t play many games, but make sure each of them play at least two in the (pitifully short) league season, just in case they make the HJ Cup? 

Yes.

They joined the league to compete for the HJ. If they didn't they had no business joining the league they should have stayed as a community club playing friendlies.

Their action of not obeying the rules at the semi final stage have done a disservice to the other clubs taking part

This is a club that is trying to step up to a higher level and their ability to cope with its geography will be a major factor in their success or failure. All of the other non heartland teams who have tried to succeed will attest to that.

I would be very surprised if their application is taken seriously in light of this debacle. One of the criteria is to show how they will get players. If their pool of players are basically Union players then we all know how that will out.

 

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16 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

If they want to be able to raise a team: yes.

If they are not bothered about raising a team: no.

It's really up to them.

I’m glad you think it’s so easy to sign players who have little chance of playing games, maybe the Vipers are doing something wrong. 

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11 minutes ago, Eddie said:

I’m glad you think it’s so easy to sign players who have little chance of playing games, maybe the Vipers are doing something wrong. 

Yes .....not reading and abiding by the rules.The other teams in the semifinals did.

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15 minutes ago, Bearman said:

Yes .....not reading and abiding by the rules.The other teams in the semifinals did.

Clearly they didn’t have a load of injuries to their players towards the end of the season - good for them. 

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gingerjon

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40 minutes ago, Eddie said:

I’m glad you think it’s so easy to sign players who have little chance of playing games, maybe the Vipers are doing something wrong. 

Don’t think it’s easy at all. I’m also, as said, assuming that the Vipers League 1 set up would be very different anyway.

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Gooleboy

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7 hours ago, dkw said:

So the clubs get to hear whether their application has been accepted tomorrow, good luck to all 3. Frankly I would be happy if all 3 get in.

A lovely thought, but is there enough players of a decent standard to support three more teams?

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11 hours ago, Anita Bath said:

There are not enough of a decent standard to support the existing clubs, never mind additional teams. 

Subjective and depends upon what your benchmark is. NRL perhaps, but this is an at best semi-pro comp, which will compare favourably to other local rugby competitions. It is RL afterall. Anyone watching it will wonder how the players do it to themselves. 

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Anglia and Bedford seem to have clear plans to use local players. This has worked to an extent for Cornwall and either or both of these joining will have no effect on the player pool in the North and should therefore add to the total number of players.

Having considered this, the game needs expansion and whilst we have not seen the proposals in detail, I would love to see all three in. We have come to accept there are casualties with expansion but a 12 team league is needed.

Good luck to all

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