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6 hours ago, phiggins said:

The fact that serious decline, or impressive growth isn't a factor in the grading system, is one of a number of issues I have with the grading system.

They are though included in the grading but, quite correctly, over a 3 year average for things like league placing which removes the one off knee jerk reactions. 

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Gav Wilson
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1. He voted for it. 2. London are still bottom. 

Dunbar
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There is something very Trump like about him. He spouts nonsense and his followers (dressed in their tribal apparel) are compelled to defend his utterances however ridiculous they get. Make

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This entire argument is predicated on two ridiculous contentions: 1. That it is better for the long-term health of the club and the sport that Hull FC had parachuted in some expensive emergency c

Gav Wilson

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42 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I agree. I think it's a club not making great decisions in a really tough environment. I don't think it's a club that isn't trying. 

Maybe the Ritchie Myler thing will work, but nobody is looking at that and thinking it is a sound decision.

Bare in mind that Myler was purely a nepo appointment to get Thirkill on board. 

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phiggins

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31 minutes ago, LeeF said:

They are though included in the grading but, quite correctly, over a 3 year average for things like league placing which removes the one off knee jerk reactions. 

My point on the decline was that a team finishing 9th, 10th then 11th will get the same average score as a team that has the reverse finishes, and the fact that one club shows improvement while another shows decline is not factored in. I think it's a bigger issue with how attendances are scored.

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Barry Badrinath

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3 hours ago, Adelaide Tiger said:

Yes Harry, I agree that it most probably will be replicated, to some extent, every year by some clubs outside of the top 6.

But, because of your dislike for the new system you naturally see this as a negative.  However, to some people it offers the chance for their club to build for the following season by giving youngsters a chance that would not be available to them if the club was fighting relegation and bringing in more experienced players on short term loan.  IMHO it may lead to an increase in the number of ‘home grown’ players in SL leading to a decrease in overseas players.  Is that a good thing or not?

Re your last sentence.  I struggle to see how rules can be brought in forcing clubs to play ‘experienced’ players in place of youngsters.

Let’s be blunt.  Leigh had a shocking start to the season. If that had continued do you honestly believe Beaumont would have told Adrian Lam that he could not use the latter half of the season to blood younger players?  

 

This is a trick post (last para) cos leigh don't have any young players

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LeeF

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1 hour ago, phiggins said:

My point on the decline was that a team finishing 9th, 10th then 11th will get the same average score as a team that has the reverse finishes, and the fact that one club shows improvement while another shows decline is not factored in. I think it's a bigger issue with how attendances are scored.

A club in decline is likely to see other metrics decline thereby reducing their score just as would happen in reverse to a club on the rise. 

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So, we are 10 pages in and I think the one thing we have learned is is that we don't all think he is correct.

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15 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

So, we are 10 pages in and I think the one thing we have learned is is that we don't all think he is correct.

Or possibly.,we don't think he's at all correct.👍

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Harry Stottle

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1 hour ago, Barry Badrinath said:

This is a trick post (last para) cos leigh don't have any young players

Aye but we will have and so will Salford now having both been given an academy licence, and I have heard on the grapevine that it wrankles with Wire, Wigan and Saints that 2 more Academies operating in the area could deprive them of some talent from the area's they once benefited from. Shame that.

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13 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Aye but we will have and so will Salford now having both been given an academy licence, and I have heard on the grapevine that it wrankles with Wire, Wigan and Saints that 2 more Academies operating in the area could deprive them of some talent from the area's they once benefited from. Shame that.

Time for them clubs to spead their nets wider then.

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30 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Or possibly.,we don't think he's at all correct.👍

Or we all don't think he's correct.

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Harry Stottle

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Time for them clubs to spead their nets wider then.

They already do Futureman as is the need for all the clubs to do so, but for those 3 clubs who had free reign another two clubs in the area with Academies reduces their pick somewhat.

phiggins

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1 hour ago, LeeF said:

A club in decline is likely to see other metrics decline thereby reducing their score just as would happen in reverse to a club on the rise. 

Given how wide a lot of the bands are, with a three year average, I'm far from convinced that that is the case.

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LeeF

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8 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Yes but the point in question is that Hull FC a Grade A club beat Wigan a Grade A club both in the top 7 RL clubs in the Northern Hemisphere by IMG's reckoning, Dewsbury were ranked 27th in the gradings and only one of 2 clubs in the Championship (the other being Swinton) to be deemed a Grade C whilst all the other Championship clubs are B Grades, a pretty shallow argument, - sorry discussion point.

Harry yet again you have posted incorrect information. I know it will irk you but there are 3 Grade C ranked clubs in this season’s Championship

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LeeF

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58 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Some of Mylers signing remind me of the eighties when it was about signing mates at some clubs

You think that Myler has some mates? 😂😂

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Harry Stottle

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3 hours ago, LeeF said:

Harry yet again you have posted incorrect information. I know it will irk you but there are 3 Grade C ranked clubs in this season’s Championship

OK that maybe the case, but it still does not deflect from Hull and Wigan both being A Grades. So a Hull victory should not be taken as shock horror, well not in IMG's world.

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LeeF

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10 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

OK that maybe the case, but it still does not deflect from Hull and Wigan both being A Grades. So a Hull victory should not be taken as shock horror, well not in IMG's world.

No maybe about it. It’s a provable fact

Harry Stottle

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1 hour ago, LeeF said:

No maybe about it. It’s a provable fact

Yes of course I was working from memory and forgot Whitehaven.

And so is Hull and Wigan both A Grades, we shouldn't be to surprised then that any Grade A can beat the other, should we?

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The Future is League

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On 17/09/2024 at 04:15, Harry Stottle said:

They already do Futureman as is the need for all the clubs to do so, but for those 3 clubs who had free reign another two clubs in the area with Academies reduces their pick somewhat.

Well them 3 clubs will have to look even further.

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M j M

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He's just the worst kind of person. An absolute snowflake who loves to dish it out but can't take it.

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