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ATLANTISMAN

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27 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Oh noooooo!  He'll take that as a compliment and claim someone told him IMG has eaten their pet dog😄

Don't knock Donald got 50000 $ from him once for 1 wooden perimeter sign in France for WC 2000.

Pitched his PA he returned the call 📞 😆 

Paid in 7 days 

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Gav Wilson
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1. He voted for it. 2. London are still bottom. 

Dunbar
Dunbar

There is something very Trump like about him. He spouts nonsense and his followers (dressed in their tribal apparel) are compelled to defend his utterances however ridiculous they get. Make

Worzel
Worzel

This entire argument is predicated on two ridiculous contentions: 1. That it is better for the long-term health of the club and the sport that Hull FC had parachuted in some expensive emergency c

Wilderspoolmemories

Wilderspoolmemories

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I well remember when the SL  started in 1996 and the bold prediction was that we would have a league where the team at the bottom could beat the team at the top,  and full time professionalism would ensure many close games, etc. 

Is it now, 28 years later, safe then to assume that the SL has been a massive failure? It isn't just Hull FC is it? Castleford have been poor all year, Leeds lost 38-0 and Huddersfield 66-0 this weekend. 

For me, SL has failed.

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2009 Warrington 25 Hudderfield 16

2010 Warrington 30 Leeds 6

2011 League Leaders Shield Winners

2012 Warrington 35 Leeds 18

Challenge cups and league leaders shields everywhere! We need more silver polish!

dkw

dkw

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So your claiming SL has failed based on one hyperbolic statement nearly 30 years ago? Yeah, that sounds reasonable. 

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Chrispmartha

Chrispmartha

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8 minutes ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:

I well remember when the SL  started in 1996 and the bold prediction was that we would have a league where the team at the bottom could beat the team at the top,  and full time professionalism would ensure many close games, etc. 

Is it now, 28 years later, safe then to assume that the SL has been a massive failure? It isn't just Hull FC is it? Castleford have been poor all year, Leeds lost 38-0 and Huddersfield 66-0 this weekend. 

For me, SL has failed.

Hull beat Wigan didn’t they, literally bottom beating top

;-)

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bobbruce

bobbruce

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11 minutes ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:

I well remember when the SL  started in 1996 and the bold prediction was that we would have a league where the team at the bottom could beat the team at the top,  and full time professionalism would ensure many close games, etc. 

Is it now, 28 years later, safe then to assume that the SL has been a massive failure? It isn't just Hull FC is it? Castleford have been poor all year, Leeds lost 38-0 and Huddersfield 66-0 this weekend. 

For me, SL has failed.

Hull fc have beaten Wigan this season so on that basis SL has been a massive success. 

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LeeF

LeeF

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2 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

Hull beat Wigan didn’t they, literally bottom beating top

😉

Those pesky facts

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bobbruce

bobbruce

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3 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

Hull beat Wigan didn’t they, literally bottom beating top

😉

Beat me to it. 

Wilderspoolmemories

Wilderspoolmemories

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1 minute ago, Chrispmartha said:

Hull beat Wigan didn’t they, literally bottom beating top

😉

They did, but those results are few and far between aren't they? For me the SL is far from the competition we were initially led to believe it would become. 

To be honest, I'm beginning to enjoy the championship games more! 

2009 Warrington 25 Hudderfield 16

2010 Warrington 30 Leeds 6

2011 League Leaders Shield Winners

2012 Warrington 35 Leeds 18

Challenge cups and league leaders shields everywhere! We need more silver polish!

JohnM

JohnM

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17 minutes ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:

I well remember when the SL  started in 1996 and the bold prediction was that we would have a league where the team at the bottom could beat the team at the top,  and full time professionalism would ensure many close games, etc. 

Is it now, 28 years later, safe then to assume that the SL has been a massive failure? It isn't just Hull FC is it? Castleford have been poor all year, Leeds lost 38-0 and Huddersfield 66-0 this weekend. 

For me, SL has failed.

But for the majority of us, it hasn't. 

Of course, it's not possible to say definitively where our game would be now if SL had not come along, but it's a reasonable conjecture that it would not be a healthy as it is now

Leeds were poor pre-Super League. Just ask Martin Offiah and his one- man ten-try blow out of them in 1992.

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JohnM

JohnM

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1 minute ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:

They did, but those results are few and far between aren't they? For me the SL is far from the competition we were initially led to believe it would become. 

To be honest, I'm beginning to enjoy the championship games more! 

"To be honest, I'm beginning to enjoy the championship games more!"

Good. Help build the Championship into SL div 2.👍

Chrispmartha

Chrispmartha

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1 minute ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:

They did, but those results are few and far between aren't they? For me the SL is far from the competition we were initially led to believe it would become. 

To be honest, I'm beginning to enjoy the championship games more! 

There’s been an enthralling race for the playoffs and the LLS isn’t decided until the last round and last years was decided on points difference

it all depends on how you want to look at it.

There probably isn’t a sporting league in the world where it’s competitive from top to bottom.

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Wilderspoolmemories

Wilderspoolmemories

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11 minutes ago, dkw said:

So your claiming SL has failed based on one hyperbolic statement nearly 30 years ago? Yeah, that sounds reasonable. 

Well, 28 years later I've still yet to see a league where teams at the bottom are consistently able to compete with teams at the top. 

We've still only had a small number of teams actually win SL, after all those years. 

So in my opinion ( and it's only my opinion, but I am allowed one!) then yes, I would say SL has failed in at least some of it's initial objectives.

2009 Warrington 25 Hudderfield 16

2010 Warrington 30 Leeds 6

2011 League Leaders Shield Winners

2012 Warrington 35 Leeds 18

Challenge cups and league leaders shields everywhere! We need more silver polish!

Damien

Damien

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5 minutes ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:

They did, but those results are few and far between aren't they? For me the SL is far from the competition we were initially led to believe it would become. 

There is some merit in this view but that is largely because year by year we watered down the original goal and vision to pacify clubs that were far from super.

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dkw

dkw

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23 minutes ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:

 

To be honest, I'm beginning to enjoy the championship games more! 

How often have the bottom teams beaten the top ones in that league?

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Dunbar

Dunbar

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5 hours ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

This is becoming a soap opera.

Had a good chat with Stevo last night and basically with regards to Hull FC all the money now comes from Myler girlfriends father who wanted to join Leeds but was rejected as apparently he is totally loaded so FC is the alternative.

Mike said the guy has the biggest collection of sporting memorabilia known to man and paid 45K for one piece recently.

Asked what he did and how he made his dosh and Mike said havant a clue.

Anyone know ?

 

1 hour ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Don't knock Donald got 50000 $ from him once for 1 wooden perimeter sign in France for WC 2000.

Pitched his PA he returned the call 📞 😆 

Paid in 7 days 

Do you need a hand picking up all the names you have dropped on this thread luvvie?

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dkw

dkw

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23 minutes ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:

Well, 28 years later I've still yet to see a league where teams at the bottom are consistently able to compete with teams at the top. 

We've still only had a small number of teams actually win SL, after all those years. 

So in my opinion ( and it's only my opinion, but I am allowed one!) then yes, I would say SL has failed in at least some of it's initial objectives.

There isn't a professional sport where teams at the bottom are consistently beating the teams at the top, it was a throw away comment to get fans interested. It's not a KPI to base success/failure on. 

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ATLANTISMAN

ATLANTISMAN

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2 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

 

Do you need a hand picking up all the names you have dropped on this thread luvvie?

More if you want LOL:)

I just responded to the thread:)

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Wilderspoolmemories

Wilderspoolmemories

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9 minutes ago, dkw said:

How often have the bottom teams beaten the top ones in that league?

It has happened more frequently than it's happened in SL. However I do not wish to get into an argument with you, so you have your opinion, I'll have mine👍

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2009 Warrington 25 Hudderfield 16

2010 Warrington 30 Leeds 6

2011 League Leaders Shield Winners

2012 Warrington 35 Leeds 18

Challenge cups and league leaders shields everywhere! We need more silver polish!

dkw

dkw

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2 minutes ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:

It has happened more frequently than it's happened in SL. However I do not wish to get into an argument with you, so you have your opinion, I'll have mine👍

It's a discussion, not am argument. Do you have the wins that backup that claim? As dewsbury have been bottom almost the entire season and have only won 1 game, which I'm fairly sure wasn't whoever was top.

Gav Wilson

Gav Wilson

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12 minutes ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:

It has happened more frequently than it's happened in SL. However I do not wish to get into an argument with you, so you have your opinion, I'll have mine👍

As a seasoned Championship punter, I'm gonna keep it real with you chief. That's nonsense.

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Josef K

Josef K

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When FC play Leigh, leigh play at home to FC,  i hope there is a big promotion push from both clubs to get fans into the stadiums. They should (hopefully) be great matches to watch. 

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Snowys Backside

Snowys Backside

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11 minutes ago, Josef K said:

When FC play Leigh, leigh play at home to FC,  i hope there is a big promotion push from both clubs to get fans into the stadiums. They should (hopefully) be great matches to watch. 

I hope so. 

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Tommygilf

Tommygilf

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7 hours ago, Dunbar said:

"I haven’t gone from being a top club to bottom I’ve come from outside the league to being above you both years and winning a trophy!"

That's why he was on the pitch at the end of the Challenge Cup final and he couldn't let the players have their moment.  For him, it is just about him.

This is absolutely it.

It is all about him, that's why his club play in leopard print, he hosts personal audiences with him as the main speaker, he gets upset on Twitter with anyone and everyone, he says he won a trophy at Wembley, because it's all about him.

Normal folk see through that, normal Leigh supporters get embarrassed by it from time to time, some inside and outside the club seem desperate to support it...

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bobbruce

bobbruce

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32 minutes ago, dkw said:

It's a discussion, not am argument. Do you have the wins that backup that claim? As dewsbury have been bottom almost the entire season and have only won 1 game, which I'm fairly sure wasn't whoever was top.

 

24 minutes ago, Gav Wilson said:

As a seasoned Championship punter, I'm gonna keep it real with you chief. That's nonsense.

But he so wants it to be true isn’t that enough. 

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