Huddersfield Giants

[The Future is League]

14 hours ago, M j M said:

There surely must be something urgently pushing Huddersfield out of the John Smith's Stadium?

There can't be any other reason for upsetting the status quo which has worked very, very well for the RL team since the stadium was built, small utilisation % or not. Leaving your home town entirely whilst there is a perfectly good stadium there is a dangerous game that only clubs who have lost their existing ground play at, often with sad results.

Doesn't Ken Davy own about 40% or so of the John Smiths Stadium or is that the Giants themselves?

When they leave somebody is going to have to pay them that 40% back or whatever that is so i would guess it's either the soccer club or the Council, who i believe own a percentage of the stadium.

Do the soccer club or council have any money in their coffers?

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

6 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

Doesn't Ken Davy own about 40% or so of the John Smiths Stadium or is that the Giants themselves?

When they leave somebody is going to have to pay them that 40% back or whatever that is so i would guess it's either the soccer club or the Council, who i believe own a percentage of the stadium.

Do the soccer club or council have any money in their coffers?

It was reported last October that the Council were giving their 40% ownership to the soccer club leaving the owners as Town (80%) and Giants (20%) but would retain the Freehold.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crkd51jryl7o

[Bulls2487]

6 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

Doesn't Ken Davy own about 40% or so of the John Smiths Stadium or is that the Giants themselves?

When they leave somebody is going to have to pay them that 40% back or whatever that is so i would guess it's either the soccer club or the Council, who i believe own a percentage of the stadium.

Do the soccer club or council have any money in their coffers?

Kevin Nagle owns 80% of the stadium now.

Kirklees Council gave up/sold the 40% they had

Huddersfield Giants always owned 20%. If they move Nagle may want to purchase this and can be used for renovation of the Shay.

 

[The Future is League]

4 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

It was reported last October that the Council were giving their 40% ownership to the soccer club leaving the owners as Town (80%) and Giants (20%) but would retain the Freehold.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crkd51jryl7o

So we know where the councils loyalties are then

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

1 minute ago, The Future is League said:

So we know where the councils loyalties are then

Not sure we do:

The local authority had previously offered to transfer its share to both the clubs,

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31 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Shuddersfieldfax Giant Panthers in Blue Socks? 

Shuddersfax Giant Fart Owning Panthers

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[Hopping Mad]

6 hours ago, The Future is League said:

What's the situation with the old fartown ground nowadays?

Only the pitch and overgrown banking survives. A few portable buildings, on the site of the former main stand, were put up for dressing rooms. St Joseph's ARL played at Fartown for a while before merging with Lindley Swifts ARL and moving to their ground, at Birchencliffe. Ken Davy claims Huddersfield spent a considerable amount of time and money, examining the possibility of returning to Fartown, before deciding it's a non-starter. Some of the site is in private hands now. Still no parking, either.

My money is on a Halifax-Huddersfield merger - the one that should have happened in 1996.

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[The Future is League]

23 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

Not sure we do:

The local authority had previously offered to transfer its share to both the clubs,

That raises the question as to why the Giants didn't take up the offer

[The Blues Ox]

13 hours ago, wroteforluck87 said:

• Managing fixtures for 3 clubs in one venue with a track record for postponements is going to be challenging. 

I think that is the idea with getting the pitch properly done and that will be where the main expense is.

2 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

Nobody has yet pointed out that if/when this happens both 'fax and Huddersfield lose 0.5 catchment area points and potentially (if Dews remain in L1) Batley and Dewsbury gain 0.5......

I kind of did but a Giants fan suggested that Huddersfield will somehow gain points by a move to Halifax although I am not sure how that would work.

2 hours ago, AB Knight said:

From the articles I’ve read it doesn’t sound like Ken Davy would be doing a huge renovation of The Shay (not that it needs it anyway, always seems a tidy ground). New pitch, scoreboard, toilets and LED lighting. Talk of new stands etc seem like fantasy in my opinion. Dare I say it won’t cost tens of millions to achieve?

There is some construction work needed to the stands to bring them up to meet the IMG criteria as well. I imagine the LED advertising hoardings will be a tidy sum as well.

[whatmichaelsays]

9 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

That raises the question as to why the Giants didn't take up the offer

The stadium has £8m-£10m of maintenance bills falling due in the coming years, which was why the council wanted to wash their hands of it. I suspect the Giants don't exactly have the appetite for taking on a greater share of those either. 

Huddersfield: John Smith's Stadium owners at risk of administration - BBC News

[DoubleD]

Lots of speculation, I'm far from convinced that Davy is trying to manufacture a merger, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility. The name would surely have to be Halifax Giants though, if they moved to the Shay

[TrueBull]

12 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

I think that is the idea with getting the pitch properly done and that will be where the main expense is.

 

I vaguely remember that being done in the last 5 years. Big trenches filled with sand being dug under the pitch. Although I accept your word "properly" does affect the answer...

[Wellsy4HullFC]

18 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

Lots of speculation, I'm far from convinced that Davy is trying to manufacture a merger, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility. The name would surely have to be Halifax Giants though, if they moved to the Shay

I'd imagine West Yorkshire Giants would be more suitable.

Wests Giants vs Wests Tigers in a few years...

[Wellsy4HullFC]

Seriously though, can see a merger coming if this move happens. By the sounds of it, there's not as big an opposition to the idea than I thought there'd be. 

Possibly last chance saloon for either/both to make themselves a mainstay in SL. Huddersfield and Salford are currently in the most danger of being replaced and moves need to be made.

[Just Browny]

50 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

I'd imagine West Yorkshire Giants would be more suitable.

Wests Giants vs Wests Tigers in a few years...

A629 Giant Panther Cougars

[The Future is League]

West Yorkshire Blue Giants 

[Damien]

1 hour ago, DoubleD said:

Lots of speculation, I'm far from convinced that Davy is trying to manufacture a merger, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility. The name would surely have to be Halifax Giants though, if they moved to the Shay

I don't think he is either. However if this purchase and move happens then I can well see one thing leading to another.

[EggFace]

1 hour ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

I'd imagine West Yorkshire Giants would be more suitable.

Wests Giants vs Wests Tigers in a few years...

Well if thats the case whats stopping Whitehaven and Workington merging.

[fieldofclothofgold]

I'm of the opinion that Halfax has more RL potential than Huddersfield.  That's not a slight at Huddersfield it's just an observation . 

[Blind side johnny]

20 hours ago, Worzel said:

There will be only one club! Merger by 2028, I'd place money on it.

That genuinely could be a great thing. Often sensible solutions come about only when people are faced with a choice between that and a disastrous alternative. That's probably the reality now for both Fax and Hudds fans I think, who are probably more pragmatic than we'd expect... perhaps after 30 years some rugby league fans will accept a merger as a good thing. 

Well, you are miles out on most of your speculation so somebody should take your bet. (I don't bet)

Do you know how much it is costing Huddersfield to use the John Smiths Stadium?

Do you know which sites are/have been investigated and evaluated for development?

Do you live inside Ken Davy's mind?

You really have no idea.

[Blind side johnny]

19 hours ago, The Blues Ox said:

There isn't really anywhere to build one.

There are many places.

[Blind side johnny]

18 hours ago, Agbrigg said:

Yes I would also expect if Ken backed it financially to the same level as Huddersfield, the fan base in Halifax would rapidly grow bigger than anything that could be achieved in Huddersfield.

He has no interest in Halifax RL. He and his family are heavily invested, emotionally and financially, in Huddersfield RL.

[Blind side johnny]

3 hours ago, The Future is League said:

So we know where the councils loyalties are then

Yes, with the taxpayers of Kirklees, which isn't just Huddersfield.

[The Blues Ox]

2 hours ago, TrueBull said:

I vaguely remember that being done in the last 5 years. Big trenches filled with sand being dug under the pitch. Although I accept your word "properly" does affect the answer...

Yeah we get some works every year but ultimatley its a full rip out job, the whole drainage system needs replacing, I believe most of it is full of concrete. I think that is what takes the cost up quite a bit and its why it will never get done under the council or a supporters group.