Huddersfield Giants

[daz39]

2 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

I find that hard to believe , you dont need to build that much to get to 7000. A two sided ground could easily give you that.

Fartown is hemmed in by housing, part of the complex is also now privately owned.

There are lighting issues with high stands as well as having a minimum requirement for parking and modern infrastructure, there simply isn't the room. The club have spent a vast amount of money on this already, if Fartown was do-able it would be doing now.

[The Blues Ox]

1 hour ago, daz39 said:

The opposite actually, it will actually improve it.

At the JSS we lose points on stuff like utilisation, scoreboard, LED lighting and catchment, these would improve at the Shay.

I hope it doesn't come to this as a fan but from a business/club point of view it would make sense, especially if we have another poor season on the field as the last 3 years have been poor.

Wouldnt the catchment actually reduce? Fax scored 1.25 in that area which would further reduce with another team in the area would it not? Not sure what you mean about scoreborad and LED lighting as the Shay certainly has none of them. I presume that Huddersfield scored more than 1.67 points on the stadium and utilisation section? Fax were one of the teams surprised to find out it was all or nothing for some of the parts related to stadium and they don't and can't meet a lot of the criteria without basically rebuilding large parts of the stadium.

[daz39]

57 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

Wouldnt the catchment actually reduce? Fax scored 1.25 in that area which would further reduce with another team in the area would it not? Not sure what you mean about scoreborad and LED lighting as the Shay certainly has none of them. I presume that Huddersfield scored more than 1.67 points on the stadium and utilisation section? Fax were one of the teams surprised to find out it was all or nothing for some of the parts related to stadium and they don't and can't meet a lot of the criteria without basically rebuilding large parts of the stadium.

Surprisingly despite it being a premier league stadium only a few years ago the JSS big screen/scoreboard etc doesn't actually meet IMG's minimum requirements, likewise with the advertising LED boards.

As for catchment, no, our current score is divided by 3 with Dewsbury and Batley, Halifax would be half or the score.

[LeytherRob]

2 hours ago, daz39 said:

Surprisingly despite it being a premier league stadium only a few years ago the JSS big screen/scoreboard etc doesn't actually meet IMG's minimum requirements, likewise with the advertising LED boards.

As for catchment, no, our current score is divided by 3 with Dewsbury and Batley, Halifax would be half or the score.

The scoreboard issue has been updated for next years grading so it isn’t as binary. 

[Just Browny]

Just as a side note, today's Halifax Town match at the Shay has been postponed due to the condition of the pitch. This in spite of no matches being played there since 10th December, and a significant amount of work done on drainage last summer to try to improve it. Not really a good enough pitch for two sports clubs, never mind three.

[The Blues Ox]

48 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

Just as a side note, today's Halifax Town match at the Shay has been postponed due to the condition of the pitch. This in spite of no matches being played there since 10th December, and a significant amount of work done on drainage last summer to try to improve it. Not really a good enough pitch for two sports clubs, never mind three.

Its a frozen pitch and an area near the South stand does not get sunlight and has been problematic since that stand went up so today its just one of those things. The pitch is already in a bad state though ignoring todays postponement for the weather despite like you say work been done on it during the summer. I'd say its in worse condition than it were last season but it could support 2 rugby teams no problem but it is nowhere near up to standard for football games.

[Damien]

3 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

Its a frozen pitch and an area near the South stand does not get sunlight and has been problematic since that stand went up so today its just one of those things. The pitch is already in a bad state though ignoring todays postponement for the weather despite like you say work been done on it during the summer. I'd say its in worse condition than it were last season but it could support 2 rugby teams no problem but it is nowhere near up to standard for football games.

Is that simply not a council issue and a lack of investment? It seems a simple fix and is a problem that is hardly unique to any ground.

[Just Browny]

37 minutes ago, Damien said:

Is that simply not a council issue and a lack of investment? It seems a simple fix and is a problem that is hardly unique to any ground.

The council are desperate to offload the ground as they are skint and they make a fair loss on it - I imagine the Panthers paying their rent only occasionally doesn't help.

[The Blues Ox]

3 hours ago, Damien said:

Is that simply not a council issue and a lack of investment? It seems a simple fix and is a problem that is hardly unique to any ground.

Council think the clubs should pay for the fix, 1 club thinks the council should pay for the fix, the other club is just happy to go with the flow. there is a lot of work that needs doing though so it is not a quick or cheap fix. The whole drainage system needs replacing so it is either a full rip out job or try and build some sort of floating pitch on top of what is currently there.

The amount needed to sort the pitch will likely be a big stickling point for anyone who is willing to purchase the ground outright.

[Taffy Tiger]

20 hours ago, daz39 said:

Surprisingly despite it being a premier league stadium only a few years ago the JSS big screen/scoreboard etc doesn't actually meet IMG's minimum requirements, likewise with the advertising LED boards.

As for catchment, no, our current score is divided by 3 with Dewsbury and Batley, Halifax would be half or the score.

Hi daz39 , Dewsbury were relegated last season , so would only be you and Batley that would now count for 2025 ie 1/2

[daz39]

45 minutes ago, Taffy Tiger said:

Hi daz39 , Dewsbury were relegated last season , so would only be you and Batley that would now count for 2025 ie 1/2

They still count, all 3 divisions do.

[Henson Park Old Firm]

6 hours ago, The Blues Ox said:

Its a frozen pitch and an area near the South stand does not get sunlight and has been problematic since that stand went up so today its just one of those things. 

I knew global warming was full of s.....t

[Taffy Tiger]

7 minutes ago, daz39 said:

They still count, all 3 divisions do.

Is that new for 2025? I thought it was only top 2 Leagues that counted as Hunslet didn't count last season (with leeds) but will this season having been promoted .

 

This is from last year's grading handbook

 

• Catchment Area is defined as the population of the Local Authority District where the club’s stadium is located divided by the total number of Tier 1 and Tier 2 clubs in the same area. • The population data is based on the latest census (2021) and ONS Boundaries for Local Authority Districts

Edited January 4 by Taffy Tiger

[daz39]

15 minutes ago, Taffy Tiger said:

Is that new for 2025? I thought it was only top 2 Leagues that counted as Hunslet didn't count last season (with leeds) but will this season having been promoted .

 

This is from last year's grading handbook

 

• Catchment Area is defined as the population of the Local Authority District where the club’s stadium is located divided by the total number of Tier 1 and Tier 2 clubs in the same area. • The population data is based on the latest census (2021) and ONS Boundaries for Local Authority Districts

Tier 1 and 2 covers all 3 professional level clubs i believe.

[Taffy Tiger]

19 minutes ago, daz39 said:

Tier 1 and 2 covers all 3 professional level clubs i believe.

Hi daz39 , I think Tier 1 is SL , Tier 2 Championship and Tier 3 League 1 , hence the reason that Hunslet didn't count towards Leeds catchment area in 2024 but will in 2025 , having been promoted to Championship (Tier 2) for 2025 season.

 

Not sure if it helps but this was posted in IMG thread in Oct 2023

 

 

Edited January 4 by Taffy Tiger

[dboy]

14 minutes ago, Taffy Tiger said:

Hi daz39 , I think Tier 1 is SL , Tier 2 Championship and Tier 3 League 1 , hence the reason that Hunslet didn't count towards Leeds catchment area in 2024 but will in 2025 , having been promoted to Championship (Tier 2) for 2025 season.

Yes, League 1 is Tier 3.

[gazza77]

45 minutes ago, dboy said:

Yes, League 1 is Tier 3.

Interesting, and to me at least, a little odd. Can you imagine the furore if, as for example, the only thing that were to stop Bradford getting sufficient IMG points to return to SL was Keighley getting promoted.

[Agbrigg]

This is ruling must be one of the most stupid things about IMG. 

For instance, Huddersfield losing points due to Dewsbury which is far closer to Wakefield.

(By the way, I know what you are thinking, don't even go there, we already have Fev dragging us down)

[Sports Prophet]

1 hour ago, gazza77 said:

Interesting, and to me at least, a little odd. Can you imagine the furore if, as for example, the only thing that were to stop Bradford getting sufficient IMG points to return to SL was Keighley getting promoted.

Scoring would be manipulated no doubt.

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

50 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

This is ruling must be one of the most stupid things about IMG. 

For instance, Huddersfield losing points due to Dewsbury which is far closer to Wakefield.

(By the way, I know what you are thinking, don't even go there, we already have Fev dragging us down)

They don't......

[dboy]

36 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

They don't......

Yes they did.

They were in Tier 2 this year, the year used for the gradings, and Dewsbury is in the Kirklees local authority, which dictates the catchments.

Dewsbury won't adversely affect Hudds score next grading though.

[gazza77]

3 hours ago, Agbrigg said:

This is ruling must be one of the most stupid things about IMG. 

(By the way, I know what you are thinking, don't even go there, we already have Fev dragging us down)

It's a two way street.

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

11 hours ago, dboy said:

Yes they did.

They were in Tier 2 this year, the year used for the gradings, and Dewsbury is in the Kirklees local authority, which dictates the catchments.

Dewsbury won't adversely affect Hudds score next grading though.

Nope.

The population of Kirklees is 433k. Dividing by either 2 (216.5k) or 3 (144.3k) gives a number that falls in band 2 of 'catchment' (130 - 260k) so it makes no difference to their score whatsoever. 

Edited January 5 by Les Tonks Sidestep

[dboy]

2 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

Nope.

The population of Kirklees is 433k. Dividing by either 2 (216.5k) or 3 (144.3k) gives a number that falls in band 2 of 'catchment' (130 - 260k) so it makes no difference to their score whatsoever. 

Oh, I get you! I thought you were saying the Dewsbury weren't counted, rather than looking at the effect of them being counted. 

 

[Wakefield Ram]

16 hours ago, Taffy Tiger said:

Hi daz39 , I think Tier 1 is SL , Tier 2 Championship and Tier 3 League 1 , hence the reason that Hunslet didn't count towards Leeds catchment area in 2024 but will in 2025 , having been promoted to Championship (Tier 2) for 2025 season.

 

Not sure if it helps but this was posted in IMG thread in Oct 2023

 

 

Which just illustrates the nonsense of this scoring. Is anyone seriously thinking Hunslet getting promoted has any impact on Leeds' catchment?