Kangaroos Selection - 2024 including Pong-gate

[MatthewWoody]

11 hours ago, Anita Bath said:

In basketball its often the implications of getting injured while on international duty and the implications that has for their contract (current or future).

And players' fatigue, too. 

That's the same in RL imho, as the season is very long and intense. 

[John m]

1 hour ago, MatthewWoody said:

I think you can play for Kiwis and Origin. 

Ora is it ok only for non tier 1 nations?

Non tier 1 nations.

[MatthewWoody]

13 minutes ago, John m said:

Non tier 1 nations.

Ok, sounds legit, as England and Kiwis should have a big enough player pool.

[John m]

4 minutes ago, MatthewWoody said:

Ok, sounds legit, as England and Kiwis should have a big enough player pool.

Yes and no really in the case of the kiwis as they tend to struggle depth wise in the key pivot position like #6&#7. 
 

also in the centre.

[MatthewWoody]

1 hour ago, John m said:

Yes and no really in the case of the kiwis as they tend to struggle depth wise in the key pivot position like #6&#7. 
 

also in the centre.

Yes.

England also has a small talent pool if compared with Australia. 

I'd let players opting for England or NZ if they qualify and desire, without them losing their SOO eligibility. It would strenghten the International game.

Of corse I'd keep the rule you can't move from tier 1 to tier 1 nation.

Edited September 28 by MatthewWoody

[John m]

2 hours ago, MatthewWoody said:

Yes.

England also has a small talent pool if compared with Australia. 

I'd let players opting for England or NZ if they qualify and desire, without them losing their SOO eligibility. It would strenghten the International game.

Of corse I'd keep the rule you can't move from tier 1 to tier 1 nation.

100%.

you can play origin and represent any country including tier 1 nations but once you’ve played for a country then that’s it you’re locked in.

[Keith989]

5 hours ago, MatthewWoody said:

Still they did more than others for the International game...

See the attendance in England for England games, in Australia for the Kangaroos games, in NZ for the Kiwis games... and now compare it to Origin attendances. 

With England being in the Northern Emisphere and people actually loving Origin, there is never gonna be a mid-season window imho. 

It's easy to do more when you've the resources behind you. Are they really doing much or is it just the bare minimum to avoid backlash from all quarters?

[MatthewWoody]

3 hours ago, Keith989 said:

It's easy to do more when you've the resources behind you. Are they really doing much or is it just the bare minimum to avoid backlash from all quarters?

The question is... why should they do more? 

Still, it's more than what the English game is doing for test rl. 

Australians would have never let something like the last France v England test. 

By the way, Origin works (a lot: ask the players, ask the fans), test football as it happens in the Southern Hemisphere works. 

[MatthewWoody]

4 hours ago, John m said:

100%.

you can play origin and represent any country including tier 1 nations but once you’ve played for a country then that’s it you’re locked in.

If it's a tier 1 nations. 

So Victor Radley can play SOO?

In my ideal world, yes. He should. 

[John m]

28 minutes ago, MatthewWoody said:

If it's a tier 1 nations. 

So Victor Radley can play SOO?

In my ideal world, yes. He should. 

It should and must happen.

[Keith989]

1 hour ago, MatthewWoody said:

The question is... why should they do more? 

Still, it's more than what the English game is doing for test rl. 

Australians would have never let something like the last France v England test. 

By the way, Origin works (a lot: ask the players, ask the fans), test football as it happens in the Southern Hemisphere works. 

Why? I guess to appeal to a wider audience as high profile internationals undoubtedly do. Just look at the Wallabies getting 68k last week in attendance, despite union being on its knees down there. 

[MatthewWoody]

8 hours ago, Keith989 said:

Why? I guess to appeal to a wider audience as high profile internationals undoubtedly do. Just look at the Wallabies getting 68k last week in attendance, despite union being on its knees down there. 

Do league International really attract wider audience? 

[RugbyLeagueGeek]

1 hour ago, MatthewWoody said:

Do league International really attract wider audience? 

I believe the viewing figures suggest that is the case in the UK

[MatthewWoody]

1 hour ago, RugbyLeagueGeek said:

I believe the viewing figures suggest that is the case in the UK

But there in no attractive team in Europe other than England. And it's not that England attracts Origin or rugby union-like crowds when they play at home. 

Origin started and become a hit not to fight International rl but because Int rl wasn't attractive anymore. 

 

Edited September 29 by MatthewWoody

[Keith989]

5 hours ago, MatthewWoody said:

Do league International really attract wider audience? 

Well it attracted me, the first league matches I watched were the Pacific series in Australia, so I'm sure there are plenty of others. 

I'm sure if the 4 nations kept going it would have grown and grown, having sporadic international games does absolutely nothing to promote the international game. 

[Dunbar]

20 hours ago, John m said:

100%.

you can play origin and represent any country including tier 1 nations but once you’ve played for a country then that’s it you’re locked in.

I guess you mean you can play Origin and then subsequently play for a tier 1 nation because you cannot play Origin and represent a tier 1 nation simultaneously.

[John m]

31 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I guess you mean you can play Origin and then subsequently play for a tier 1 nation because you cannot play Origin and represent a tier 1 nation simultaneously.

Players who pull on the kiwi jersey can represent either NSW or Queensland in origin.

[Dunbar]

5 minutes ago, John m said:

Players who pull on the kiwi jersey can represent either NSW or Queensland in origin.

No they can't, here is the eligibility - and it clearly says so at the top.

PowerPoint Presentation (nrl.com)

[John m]

8 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

No they can't, here is the eligibility - and it clearly says so at the top.

PowerPoint Presentation (nrl.com)

Im talking about my preference of what the rules should be for the sake of international RL.

[RugbyLeagueGeek]

3 hours ago, MatthewWoody said:

Origin started and become a hit not to fight International rl but because Int rl wasn't attractive anymore. 

Sorry but I don't agree with that narrative at all

[Dunbar]

2 minutes ago, John m said:

Im talking about my preference of what the rules should be for the sake of international RL.

ok, I only saw the last few posts and misunderstood the context.

[John m]

1 minute ago, Dunbar said:

ok, I only saw the last few posts and misunderstood the context.

No worries.

[John m]

Had these rules been in place I believe ponga would be playing for the kiwis.

[Dunbar]

So, joining in properly on the context of the discussion.  It is an interesting question and one that has come about only because Origin has been elevated above international rugby in the SH (no blame there, there is plenty of reasons why).

So players now ask themselves how they can play Origin first and foremost and then make an international decision on the back of that.

So there are three options really.

1.  Keep it as it is, you play Origin and play for Australia or any country other than another tier 1 (England or New Zealand).

2. Open it up completely allow any international player to play Origin if they are otherwise eligible.

3. Close it down to just players who are eligible for and commit to playing for the Kangaroos.  Make it a genuine Kangaroo trial series.

Each of the latter two would have their benefits and risks and would be interesting to see how they would play through over time.

I would be very interested to hear from the Australians on here how option 2 would be received.  A player playing Origin and then going on to represent England or New Zealand later in the season would surely water down the state vs state rivalry that has been so important to Origin becoming the institution it is now.

[Damien]

4 hours ago, MatthewWoody said:

Origin started and become a hit not to fight International rl but because Int rl wasn't attractive anymore.

That's just not true.