Fri 4th Oct: SL SF: Hull KR v Warrington Wolves KO 20:00 (Sky)

[StandOffHalf]

Drinkwater wrapped up the ball and pulled it into him over the line.

Good tackle. That should never have been given as a try on-field.

An appalling misjudgement in the heat of the moment by the on-field ref (who also gave Wardle's double movement try in the WCC) that will in all likelihood decide the outcome of this semi-final.

[Sports Prophet]

11 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

I don’t think anyone can conclusively say that ball wasn’t grounded. Don’t we still have benefit of the doubt in the case for these circumstances?

 

6 minutes ago, Padge said:

The Laws of The Game say that a referee cannot disallow a try because he didn't see it grounded, the ref is giving his decision based on the laws. If he doesn't see it grounded he is obliged to give the attacker the benefit of the doubt. 

From the notes on the scoring section of the laws.

Referee unsighted The Referee should not disallow a try because they were not in a position to see the grounding of the ball.

That is great backing up Padge! We will score plenty with our combination!

[Just Browny]

11 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Regardless of how it happened, KR up by 10 at the break feels a fair reflection of how the teams are performing. 

Is that how rugby's played? The referees give a score based on dominance, like boxing.

[Dunbar]

6 minutes ago, Padge said:

The Laws of The Game say that a referee cannot disallow a try because he didn't see it grounded, the ref is giving his decision based on the laws. If he doesn't see it grounded he is obliged to give the attacker the benefit of the doubt. 

From the notes on the scoring section of the laws.

Referee unsighted The Referee should not disallow a try because they were not in a position to see the grounding of the ball.

And we certainly can't ignore a law of the game.

(I am being facetious, I agree with what you say but in 2024 I am not sure the laws are as definitive as they should be).

[SUPERSTUD]

3 minutes ago, Padge said:

 

He got it right, see above.

Why do they sometimes ask the VR to check the grounding then?

[Sports Prophet]

Here we go, big second half, enjoy

[Jill Halfpenny fan]

1 minute ago, Just Browny said:

Is that how rugby's played? The referees give a score based on dominance, like boxing.

Or population. 

[Click]

2 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

Is that how rugby's played? The referees give a score based on dominance, like boxing.

Yes, that's exactly how rugby is played.

[Sports Prophet]

Just now, SUPERSTUD said:

Why do they sometimes ask the VR to check the grounding then?

They say that plenty of times when a try was awarded on field.

[StandOffHalf]

9 minutes ago, Padge said:

The Laws of The Game say that a referee cannot disallow a try because he didn't see it grounded, the ref is giving his decision based on the laws. If he doesn't see it grounded he is obliged to give the attacker the benefit of the doubt. 

From the notes on the scoring section of the laws.

Referee unsighted The Referee should not disallow a try because they were not in a position to see the grounding of the ball.

When the defender wraps the ball up you go No Try unless the grounding is likely.

[Click]

3 minutes ago, StandOffHalf said:

Drinkwater wrapped up the ball and pulled it into him over the line.

Good tackle. That should never have been given as a try on-field.

An appalling misjudgement in the heat of the moment by the on-field ref (who also gave Wardle's double movement try in the WCC) that will in all likelihood decide the outcome of this semi-final.

I don't know how you can be so definitive on it. When the ball first hits the ground and Drinkwater is pulling on it, the ball could easily have touched the in goal area before he fully wrapped it up.

[Click]

2 minutes ago, SUPERSTUD said:

Why do they sometimes ask the VR to check the grounding then?

Because we have VR's at every game now, so if he doesn't see it, then its an easy check?

[Sports Prophet]

Just now, Click said:

I don't know how you can be so definitive on it. When the ball first hits the ground and Drinkwater is pulling on it, the ball could easily have touched the in goal area before he fully wrapped it up.

Agreed

[Padge]

1 minute ago, SUPERSTUD said:

Why do they sometimes ask the VR to check the grounding then?

Because if the VR has a clear vision of the ball from the replays he can (as a referee who is not unsighted) overturn the onfield decision.

I don't understand why people find this so complicated to understand.

[Dave T]

3 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

 

That is great backing up Padge! We will score plenty with our combination!

As a Wire fan I'll grumble about it all night, but it is what it is in terms of refs call.

However what we are saying is that if a ball ever goes out of sight over the line it should be a try. And that simply isn't what happens.

Anyway, 2nd half and we've started with another shocking end of set.

[Click]

Well, that's exactly what you want to do on your first set of the game .........

[Padge]

2 minutes ago, StandOffHalf said:

When the defender wraps the ball up you go No Try unless the grounding is likely.

If the ref can see tha ball all the time he obviously sees it isn't grounded. When there is doubt it goes to the attacker, the VR is there to prove that wrong, if VR can't see it grounded the try still stands under the BoD law.

[Sports Prophet]

2 minutes ago, Dave T said:

As a Wire fan I'll grumble about it all night, but it is what it is in terms of refs call.

However what we are saying is that if a ball ever goes out of sight over the line it should be a try. And that simply isn't what happens.

Anyway, 2nd half and we've started with another shocking end of set.

I’m not disagreeing Dave. There have been umpteen occasions where a ref has sent it upstairs as no try on the assumption it wasn’t grounded, rather than actually seeing it held up.

Edited October 4 by Sports Prophet

[gingerjon]

7 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

Is that how rugby's played? The referees give a score based on dominance, like boxing.

No, but it’s how a neutral might weigh up what they’ve seen

[Dave T]

Ashton has been superb yet again for us.

[Sports Prophet]

Great defence by KR. 

[bratman]

Ashton has been very good

[Sports Prophet]

Ref gives try

[gingerjon]

THE VIDEO REF HAS THE CHANCE TO DO THE FUNNIEST THING

[StandOffHalf]

8 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I almost tagged you i to this discussion, because I know you often quote this.

I do wonder whether this is relating to a clear put down of the ball where his view is obstructed rather than an incident where he is right there and can see the ball held up. 

Otherwise, we would see more tries given on tackles over the line as they'd just have to give a try if he loses sight of the ball for a split second.

Exactly. Unsighted and highly doubtful efforts should not be given because the ref couldn't see a put-down.