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gingerjon
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There's been a tribunal about it and everything.

The Phantom Horseman
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"Sheffield Eagles are delighted to announce our new player-coach, Cory Aston."

RP London
RP London

While i have sympathy for the fact that protocols may not have been met properly and processes not followed which is problematic there seems to be one key fundamental in here. "On the morning of the W

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Griff

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11 hours ago, DEANO said:

Realistically an 18 month ban at this time of year converts to a 9 month ban

I'll put that down to poor arithmetic.

And a lack of knowledge of what a head coach actually does.

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gingerjon

gingerjon

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Just now, Tommygilf said:

Pretty difficult scenario for the club.

The perfect world scenario is they go back a week and say something along the lines of they will work with Mark when he is able to return to rugby league and support him in all ways short of an appeal - because unless there is genuinely new evidence there is no way an appeal can succeed, and all it does is extend uncertainty.

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Tommygilf

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4 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

The perfect world scenario is they go back a week and say something along the lines of they will work with Mark when he is able to return to rugby league and support him in all ways short of an appeal - because unless there is genuinely new evidence there is no way an appeal can succeed, and all it does is extend uncertainty.

They'll still be paying him, I think that is the issue for them. They can't move on and get a new coach in whilst this hangs over them. I don't know if he has a fixed contract they can buy him out of/sack him from, if not then it's a bit more difficult but gross misconduct should be where they end up.

The appeal almost certainly won't be successful, as such you'd hope it is arranged quickly.

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gittinsfan

gittinsfan

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2 hours ago, gingerjon said:

The perfect world scenario is they go back a week and say something along the lines of they will work with Mark when he is able to return to rugby league and support him in all ways short of an appeal - because unless there is genuinely new evidence there is no way an appeal can succeed, and all it does is extend uncertainty.

I would guess the only way to win is put all the blame onto other people.If he tries that and fails,they should extend his ban considerably

JonM

JonM

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The TotalRL article seems to suggest the defence is going to be on legal hair-splitting rather than "he didn't do it" i.e that the RFL should've stepped in and stopped Marsh from playing if they were that bothered, and the lack of an email trail showing who said what to whom.

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Les Tonks Sidestep

Les Tonks Sidestep

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21 minutes ago, gittinsfan said:

I would guess the only way to win is put all the blame onto other people.If he tries that and fails,they should extend his ban considerably

He tried that at the tribunal...... didn't work.

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Griff

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4 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

They'll still be paying him, I think that is the issue for them. They can't move on and get a new coach in whilst this hangs over them. I don't know if he has a fixed contract they can buy him out of/sack him from, if not then it's a bit more difficult but gross misconduct should be where they end up.

Tough one.   They'll need to weigh his salary cost against the revenue they'll lose by sacking him.

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Gooleboy

Gooleboy

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16 minutes ago, Griff said:

Tough one.   They'll need to weigh his salary cost against the revenue they'll lose by sacking him.

Would he have to sack himself as he is a founder director? And I might be wrong, but isn’t he still the CEO as well?

Tommygilf

Tommygilf

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18 minutes ago, Gooleboy said:

Would he have to sack himself as he is a founder director? And I might be wrong, but isn’t he still the CEO as well?

He's director and chief Executive according to companies house, though that may be a formality when it comes to gross misconduct.

Griff

Griff

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32 minutes ago, Gooleboy said:

Would he have to sack himself as he is a founder director? And I might be wrong, but isn’t he still the CEO as well?

There's no such status as "founder director".

No, he isn't the CEO.

He owns less than 1% of the shares.

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Tommygilf

Tommygilf

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54 minutes ago, Griff said:

Tough one.   They'll need to weigh his salary cost against the revenue they'll lose by sacking him.

How much could that reasonably be estimated to be? 

Griff

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1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

How much could that reasonably be estimated to be? 

Not my problem.  But I would expect there to be strong feelings amongst both fans and sponsors.

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Griff

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19 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

He's director and chief Executive according to companies house, though that may be a formality when it comes to gross misconduct.

Companies House often shows outdated information.

And that's true for companies in many sectors, not just rugby league.

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The Blues Ox

The Blues Ox

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18 minutes ago, Griff said:

Companies House often shows outdated information.

And that's true for companies in many sectors, not just rugby league.

Ive never found this. Any time I have had to make changes they have usually been done within a week or so. Its highly likely that Sheffield have never got around to report the changes if in fact they have happened.

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RP London

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53 minutes ago, Griff said:

Not my problem.  But I would expect there to be strong feelings amongst both fans and sponsors.

 if he was to stay at the club I'd be no where near sponsoring them due to the attitude to player safety..  as a supporter I'm not massively pleased with this situation, if I were a player I would be very worried about him being my coach knowing his attitude to player welfare.. 

Just my opinion obvs

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Griff

Griff

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47 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

Its highly likely that Sheffield have never got around to report the changes if in fact they have happened.

OK.  That's what I'm saying.

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Griff

Griff

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20 minutes ago, RP London said:

 if he was to stay at the club I'd be no where near sponsoring them due to the attitude to player safety..  as a supporter I'm not massively pleased with this situation, if I were a player I would be very worried about him being my coach knowing his attitude to player welfare.. 

Just my opinion obvs

Well, who knows?

There's very probably a silent majority out there.

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M j M

M j M

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Fearless Leader says 18 months is far too harsh!

https://www.totalrl.com/rfl-non-intervention-uneasy-decision-and-lack-of-email-trail-revelation-in-mark-aston-investigation/

Given the importance the game has placed on the concussion issue this perspective is very difficult to agree with.

If the club doctor says the player wasn't signed off and the coach knew this but still played him then anything else is immaterial. Expecting the RFL to micromanage a club to the degree of picking their team for them because the club can't follow basic, easily-understood protocols is ridiculous.

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Griff

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Expecting the RFL to micromanage a club to the degree of picking their team for them because the club can't follow basic, easily-understood protocols is ridiculous.

They say they can't micromanage clubs, yet the following week, they found that they were actually able to.

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Tommygilf

Tommygilf

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11 minutes ago, Griff said:

Not my problem.  But I would expect there to be strong feelings amongst both fans and sponsors.

Perhaps, it's publicly available why he has been banned though. A shame but not insurmountable by any odds. 

Griff

Griff

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21 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Perhaps, it's publicly available why he has been banned though. A shame but not insurmountable by any odds. 

Just read the Supporters Facebook page.  Or, indeed, League Express.

"Deluged", no less.

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LeeF

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1 hour ago, M j M said:

Fearless Leader says 18 months is far too harsh!

https://www.totalrl.com/rfl-non-intervention-uneasy-decision-and-lack-of-email-trail-revelation-in-mark-aston-investigation/

Given the importance the game has placed on the concussion issue this perspective is very difficult to agree with.

If the club doctor says the player wasn't signed off and the coach knew this but still played him then anything else is immaterial. Expecting the RFL to micromanage a club to the degree of picking their team for them because the club can't follow basic, easily-understood protocols is ridiculous.

A poor take in the article quoted. A reprimand for the coach! Has the writer actually read and understood the judgement? Do they understand the concept of duty of care? Have they heard about the ex players who are claiming compensation from the game? 

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