What’s happening at Cornwall?

[Eddie]

6 hours ago, Big Picture said:

On the contrary he likely would.

He owned an advertising and marketing business in Toronto when he discovered RL and sold it to fund his RL projects.  The money he's spent personally on that is very likely more that 200 thousand pounds, he's likely burned through all the money got from selling his business.

Ok well of course he’d want £200k for it, he’d also want £2m for it, but what I was saying is there’s no way he’d ask for or expect that. 

[Eddie]

6 hours ago, Griff said:

He would have to want, I'm afraid, were he trying to sell it to me. I wouldn't be paying for the money he lost through his own stupidity. Neither would any other competent businessman.

Luckily for Perez he isn’t trying to sell it to internet warriors. 

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

On 09/10/2024 at 11:45, Eddie said:

Maybe £200k to buy it and run the club for a season, there is no way Perez would want £200k for the licence. 

 

On 09/10/2024 at 12:18, Cb2 said:

Yes - exactly. 200k for license and then costs, should have clarified in first post.

There is no 'licence' to sell, only the business. 

[Griff]

5 hours ago, RayCee said:

Strong language Griff. He wanted to invest in RL and that is what we want people to do. He didn't realise David Argyle wasn't as flush as thought / led to believe. Cornwall is a good idea in terms of the locals accepting RL and travel distance probably wasn't seen as a problem for someone living in Canada. He should have realised after the Toronto saga how skint RL is, even at the top level. Therefore, it was always going to be a big ask to make it viable.

Yes, travel is probably a lot cheaper in Canada.

[Griff]

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Edited October 11, 2024 by Griff

[Griff]

31 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

 

There is no 'licence' to sell, only the business. 

A tough concept for folk to understand, it seems.

[Griff]

45 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Luckily for Perez he isn’t trying to sell it to internet warriors. 

You don't know that.

[Dovster]

15 hours ago, Griff said:

What's your plan for that ?

Don't try to expand the game without sufficient funds to do so.

Understand all the costs when accepting a new club.

Hopefully we have learnt our lessons with this

I think Goole was the right call this season. I guess time will tell.

[Expatknight]

Unfortunately in the UK the people have a parochial mindset, if something isn't on their doorstep they aren't interested, people from other countries, especially, Australia, Canada, and the U.S. don't get it, probably because their countries are so big you have to travel to see or do anything. I never gave it a second thought to travel 120km every other week to watch the Brisbane Broncos or jump on a plane to Sydney because that is what you had to do. It makes it very difficult for the expansionists because at every turn there are the nay sayers saying we don't want to travel 100 or so miles once a season, yet the people trying to set up these clubs are doing it every other week. Look at Catalans and Toulouse, they have to pay the oppositons costs to play them, it is ridiculous. And we wonder why the game is still stuck in the same areas it was 100 years ago.

 

[Agbrigg]

15 minutes ago, Expatknight said:

Unfortunately in the UK the people have a parochial mindset, if something isn't on their doorstep they aren't interested, people from other countries, especially, Australia, Canada, and the U.S. don't get it, probably because their countries are so big you have to travel to see or do anything. I never gave it a second thought to travel 120km every other week to watch the Brisbane Broncos or jump on a plane to Sydney because that is what you had to do. It makes it very difficult for the expansionists because at every turn there are the nay sayers saying we don't want to travel 100 or so miles once a season, yet the people trying to set up these clubs are doing it every other week. Look at Catalans and Toulouse, they have to pay the oppositons costs to play them, it is ridiculous. And we wonder why the game is still stuck in the same areas it was 100 years ago.

 

Try a journey of 120km on UK congested roads and it will seem like driving 1200km in those places you mention. Try 120km on a Friday night over the M62 and it will seem even further. 

 

[OriginalMrC]

48 minutes ago, Expatknight said:

Unfortunately in the UK the people have a parochial mindset, if something isn't on their doorstep they aren't interested, people from other countries, especially, Australia, Canada, and the U.S. don't get it, probably because their countries are so big you have to travel to see or do anything. I never gave it a second thought to travel 120km every other week to watch the Brisbane Broncos or jump on a plane to Sydney because that is what you had to do. It makes it very difficult for the expansionists because at every turn there are the nay sayers saying we don't want to travel 100 or so miles once a season, yet the people trying to set up these clubs are doing it every other week. Look at Catalans and Toulouse, they have to pay the oppositons costs to play them, it is ridiculous. And we wonder why the game is still stuck in the same areas it was 100 years ago.

 

The distance is irrelevant. Cornwall may as well be 1000km away in terms of time and costs on uk roads. A 40-50km journey in the UK can take 1.5/2 hours. 

[RugbyLeagueGeek]

1 hour ago, Dovster said:

Don't try to expand the game without sufficient funds to do so.

Understand all the costs when accepting a new club.

Hopefully we have learnt our lessons with this

I think Goole was the right call this season. I guess time will tell.

The game has no right to describe something as a national league if travel costs preclude certain teams from entering.

[OriginalMrC]

3 hours ago, Eddie said:

Luckily for Perez he isn’t trying to sell it to internet warriors. 

To fair quite a few on here have enough knowledge to know what a league 1 club is worth. Clue: it's very closely tied to guaranteed income from funding. Funding is next to nothing so a club with no assets is worth next to nothing. £200k is a massive over valuation 

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, Expatknight said:

Unfortunately in the UK the people have a parochial mindset, if something isn't on their doorstep they aren't interested, people from other countries, especially, Australia, Canada, and the U.S. don't get it, probably because their countries are so big you have to travel to see or do anything. I never gave it a second thought to travel 120km every other week to watch the Brisbane Broncos or jump on a plane to Sydney because that is what you had to do. It makes it very difficult for the expansionists because at every turn there are the nay sayers saying we don't want to travel 100 or so miles once a season, yet the people trying to set up these clubs are doing it every other week. Look at Catalans and Toulouse, they have to pay the oppositons costs to play them, it is ridiculous. And we wonder why the game is still stuck in the same areas it was 100 years ago.

 

Thousands upon thousands of people in the UK travel more than 120km to watch their football team every other weekend, I’m talking home fans here not away fans. 

The second half of your post though, agree in full. 

[Eddie]

12 minutes ago, OriginalMrC said:

To fair quite a few on here have enough knowledge to know what a league 1 club is worth. Clue: it's very closely tied to guaranteed income from funding. Funding is next to nothing so a club with no assets is worth next to nothing. £200k is a massive over valuation 

Nobody buys a sports team because of what it’s worth though.  But yes the L1 licence is worth around £10k I’d say. You’d be better off applying to the RFL to join in 2026, I expect there’ll be more spaces by then. 

[Griff]

1 hour ago, RugbyLeagueGeek said:

The game has no right to describe something as a national league if travel costs preclude certain teams from entering.

We don't describe any of the leagues in tiers 1-3 as national.  I'm comfortable with that.

[Chronicler of Chiswick]

I do an approximately 200 km. round trip to watch the Cru without too much bother. Looks like we're dealing with the RL supporters' 'clubs should only be allowed in if their ground's just round the corner from where I live' mentality.

 

 

 

[Tommygilf]

33 minutes ago, Griff said:

We don't describe any of the leagues in tiers 1-3 as national.  I'm comfortable with that.

We certainly don't describe them as regional.

[Agbrigg]

2 hours ago, Eddie said:

Thousands upon thousands of people in the UK travel more than 120km to watch their football team every other weekend, I’m talking home fans here not away fans. 

The second half of your post though, agree in full. 

Your first line is also a problem. Football is inprinted in the brains of 90+% of all UK new borns. They grow up with the game and follow nothing else. OK many have a passing interest in other sports but as a team spectator sport there is only one game for them. 

[Dovster]

2 hours ago, RugbyLeagueGeek said:

The game has no right to describe something as a national league if travel costs preclude certain teams from entering.

I agree. With the present funds available it is very difficult to run a national league at this level.

[Eddie]

28 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

Your first line is also a problem. Football is inprinted in the brains of 90+% of all UK new borns. They grow up with the game and follow nothing else. OK many have a passing interest in other sports but as a team spectator sport there is only one game for them. 

Definitely, and if you take that into account rugby league is a massive success, despite the perception. What other small regional sport in Europe gets such big attendances, and can get 60k plus for a club final. 

[Griff]

37 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

We certainly don't describe them as regional.

Nor inter-stellar.  I don't see the need to describe them as anything.

[Agbrigg]

8 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Definitely, and if you take that into account rugby league is a massive success, despite the perception. What other small regional sport in Europe gets such big attendances, and can get 60k plus for a club final. 

Thats true Eddie , it is very small in its regional area. Its been trying to expand for for 100 odd years. If people really wanted RL outside the small region in serious numbers it would have happened by now. 

[Tommygilf]

1 minute ago, Griff said:

Nor inter-stellar.  I don't see the need to describe them as anything.

Helps everyone understand where they're supposed to play I suppose. Otherwise it could become terribly confusing.

[gingerjon]

10 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

Thats true Eddie , it is very small in its regional area. Its been trying to expand for for 100 odd years. If people really wanted RL outside the small region in serious numbers it would have happened by now. 

For example, nobody wants rugby league in East Anglia, and anyone looking to put a club in that area in League One should stop now?