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gingerjon

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The heartlands know how to nurture and cradle the game. All expansion would be better just being on the edges of where clubs currently are.

Or something.

Anyway, here's a lovely list of defunct RL clubs in England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_rugby_league_clubs#England

I make it that the majority fall into the 'heartland or not far from heartland' bracket.

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He’s set up two clubs in non-RL areas, much more than most. 

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Essentially he's on a hiding to nothing here. He's not claiming to be another Koukash or anything and isn't saying Cornwall will be in SL next season. If he doesn't appear, Cornwall fold. If he g

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Unfortunately in the UK the people have a parochial mindset, if something isn't on their doorstep they aren't interested, people from other countries, especially, Australia, Canada, and the U.S. don't

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Tommygilf

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1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

The heartlands know how to nurture and cradle the game. All expansion would be better just being on the edges of where clubs currently are.

Or something.

Anyway, here's a lovely list of defunct RL clubs in England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_rugby_league_clubs#England

I make it that the majority fall into the 'heartland or not far from heartland' bracket.

Beat me to it

Agbrigg

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5 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

The heartlands know how to nurture and cradle the game. All expansion would be better just being on the edges of where clubs currently are.

Or something.

Anyway, here's a lovely list of defunct RL clubs in England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_rugby_league_clubs#England

I make it that the majority fall into the 'heartland or not far from heartland' bracket.

I know of a few more on that list that are not shown

gingerjon

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6 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

I know of a few more on that list that are not shown

Likewise, but it's a good start.

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Barley Mow

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1 hour ago, tiffers said:

Foundation Years of existing clubs:

2000 to present:

Cornwall, Cru, York, Catalan

1980 to 1999

Newcastle, Midlands, Sheffield, London

1940 to 1979

Doncaster, Whitehaven, Workington

1900 - 1939

Toulouse, Featherstone

1860 - 1899

Cas, Widnes, Hunslet, Hull KR, Batley, Leigh, Keighley, Warrington, Oldham, Dewsbury, Barrow, Halifax, St's, Salford, Wakefield, Wigan, Rochdale, Hudds, Swinton, Hull, Leeds, Bradford.

 

Now there's two ways of looking at this... most of the bigger clubs are the traditional clubs from the 1800's. BUT

If we could expand and grow new clubs in Cumbria  in the late fourties early fifties, then what happened there and at that time?

What's happened at Catalan in particular to make it so successful vs. others.

One thing that is heartening at least is that there is a steady flow of clubs (still going) that have entered the professional ranks in very different eras. Of course we all wish it was more, but let's bust some myths here that you can only be a success if you were founded in Lancashire in 1875.

Just adding to my previous post and picking up on what you say about Cumbria -

Looking at Cumberland specifically (Barrow had a pro-club a lot earlier), two pro-clubs were founded in the 40's & 50's which are still going today - but as with the Catalans example this was building on existing foundations.

West Cumberland was already a rugby league hot bed with a lot of well established recreational clubs, what happened with the founding of Haven and Town was the creation of an additional layer on top of the existing clubs so the more successful players could get paid to play locally.

gingerjon

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7 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

Looking further down the facts about Welsh RL are not good reading either. 

 

Being told that the Northern Union clubs were not prepared to travel was something of a hammer blow.

And a recurring theme.

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JM2010

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Expansion isn’t just about putting a professional club in a town or city. It’s about adding new community clubs and putting junior pathways in place. Adding a professional club above the community game is the icing on top but needs strong foundations first. 
How many junior clubs are there in Cornwall?

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RigbyLuger

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1 hour ago, tiffers said:

Foundation Years of existing clubs:

2000 to present:

Cornwall, Cru, York, Catalan

If York are the 2000s then so are Bradford for the same reason.

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6 hours ago, Griff said:

Au contraire.

It correlates pretty much with reality.

How so? Everytime a club has been started for the last 100 years it has been started in a new place. 

When the game was transported to Australia it had to grow there. 

People talk about the "heartlands" in France - but it wasn't always, it had to grow from nothing 100 years ago.

Like I have said on this forum before, some people seem to think that only them and their local communities can "get" Rugby League. 

"The Greatest Game - But only if you were born in a small section of Northern England"

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Griff

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1 hour ago, Click said:

How so? Everytime a club has been started for the last 100 years it has been started in a new place. 

When the game was transported to Australia it had to grow there. 

People talk about the "heartlands" in France - but it wasn't always, it had to grow from nothing 100 years ago.

Like I have said on this forum before, some people seem to think that only them and their local communities can "get" Rugby League. 

"The Greatest Game - But only if you were born in a small section of Northern England"

Times change. If you were still living in the past, you'd be right. 

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Damien

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8 hours ago, Click said:

How so? Everytime a club has been started for the last 100 years it has been started in a new place. 

When the game was transported to Australia it had to grow there. 

People talk about the "heartlands" in France - but it wasn't always, it had to grow from nothing 100 years ago.

Like I have said on this forum before, some people seem to think that only them and their local communities can "get" Rugby League. 

"The Greatest Game - But only if you were born in a small section of Northern England"

I do get your point and agree with the gist of it. I certainly think most can appreciate, like or play Rugby League if they have the opportunity to do so. Unfortunately most do not have that chance and the sport has largely failed to really try to give it. That said there is no denying that the sport largely hasn't had a fair crack either and certainly hasn't had the helping hand that others have had.

The harsh fact is we are in a vastly different place in 2024, and have been for decades, than when it took off in Australia or France. The big bang for sports where there is exponential growth, mass creation and mass switching of clubs out of no where is gone and it certainly is for a sport which is not dominant in the region like Rugby League. We are playing catch up in a big way and from nothing in most places. The trouble is it would take tens of millions over many years to even try to really grow to any real degree. Sure we should be looking to grow and develop, and even new individual clubs are great, but that is even very costly to do well and needs a perfect storm of backers, volunteers, interest, players, facilities etc to do so. 

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8 hours ago, Griff said:

Times change. If you were still living in the past, you'd be right. 

Well, that seems to be where most RL fans live, so I guess that gives me something else in common with the average heartlands fan.

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Gav Wilson

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8 hours ago, Griff said:

Times change. If you were still living in the past, you'd be right. 

Again, Toronto built up a rugby league fanbase of several thousands as recently as 2017.

***If you have enough money***, you can start a successful club anywhere.

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Griff

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14 minutes ago, Gav Wilson said:

Again, Toronto built up a rugby league fanbase of several thousands as recently as 2017.

***If you have enough money***, you can start a successful club anywhere.

Sure - you could pay 10000 folk £1000 apiece to come and watch.

If you had enough money.

 

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gingerjon

gingerjon

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32 minutes ago, Gav Wilson said:

Again, Toronto built up a rugby league fanbase of several thousands as recently as 2017.

***If you have enough money***, you can start a successful club anywhere.

Basketball and ice hockey are good examples of real fan bases in random places being created and sustained.

But, apparently, this is a thing that cannot happen in rugby league - despite it happening in rugby league.

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Tommygilf

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18 minutes ago, Griff said:

Sure - you could pay 10000 folk £1000 apiece to come and watch.

If you had enough money.

 

That is an embarrassing response mate

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The Masked Poster

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Belfast Giants are now pretty much an integral part of the Belfast sporting landscape. At one point they weren't and Ice Hockey wasn't really a thing in Belfast. Indeed, you'd probably have been laughed out of town to suggest it could be a thing. But it is 

It can be done....but if the will isn't there, these things won't succeed. Pretty much as simple as that. 

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Griff

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1 hour ago, Gav Wilson said:

Do you think thats what Toronto did? 

Where are they now?

They didn't have enough money.

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Gav Wilson

Gav Wilson

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7 minutes ago, Griff said:

Where are they now?

They didn't have enough money.

Precisely as I said...

2 hours ago, Gav Wilson said:

***If you have enough money***

And they still did what you said isn't possible. 

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Griff

Griff

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1 minute ago, Gav Wilson said:

Precisely as I said...

And they still did what you said isn't possible. 

Did they ?

Why are they not still here ?

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Griff

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1 hour ago, Tommygilf said:

That is an embarrassing response mate

No really.  I get tired of "if" merchants.

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