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[Monkeymagic22]

Although I don’t agree with determining league status by this method, it will be interesting to see our score tomorrow.

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

13 minutes ago, Monkeymagic22 said:

Although I don’t agree with determining league status by this method, it will be interesting to see our score tomorrow.

I'd be surprised if it wasn't very similar to the indicative score from 2023. Hard to see any areas where we will have improved, except possibly by playing the system by 'jiggling' the financials and perhaps stadium utilisation through its reduced capacity? Several areas where we could easily be worse although the 3 year averaging will help.

[The Phantom Horseman]

22 minutes ago, Monkeymagic22 said:

Although I don’t agree with determining league status by this method, it will be interesting to see our score tomorrow.

A year ago our provisional score was 10.65, which left us in 15th place overall. It was broken down like this:

Fandom 3.95 out of 5
Performance 2.5143 out of 5
Stadium 1.183 out of 3
Finance 2 out of 4.5
Community 1 out of 2.5

Agree with LTS above that we are unlikely to have improved in many areas in the last 12 months and have probably regressed in some categories (finishing 6th overall for instance, not sure if the drop in crowds will have reduced our score yet) and IIRC the club stated they expected our figure to be in the same ball park as last year's, so it's likely one or two teams will have overtaken us - London for sure, possibly the likes of York and Widnes too (not that it matters, you're either in the top 12 or not).

A reminder for anyone asking "how did we get that on that category" the Grading Criteria are available at
https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/docs/Grading Handbook (Final Version).pdf

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

4 minutes ago, The Phantom Horseman said:

A year ago our provisional score was 10.65, which left us in 15th place overall. It was broken down like this:

Fandom 3.95 out of 5
Performance 2.5143 out of 5
Stadium 1.183 out of 3
Finance 2 out of 4.5
Community 1 out of 2.5

Agree with LTS above that we are unlikely to have improved in many areas in the last 12 months and have probably regressed in some categories (finishing 6th overall for instance, not sure if the drop in crowds will have reduced our score yet) and IIRC the club stated they expected our figure to be in the same ball park as last year's, so it's likely one or two teams will have overtaken us - London for sure, possibly the likes of York and Widnes too (not that it matters, you're either in the top 12 or not).

A reminder for anyone asking "how did we get that on that category" the Grading Criteria are available at
https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/docs/Grading Handbook (Final Version).pdf

Re London, given many of the scores are based on 3 year averages I'm not entirely convinced there's will be boosted by as much as claimed?

[The Phantom Horseman]

1 minute ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

Re London, given many of the scores are based on 3 year averages I'm not entirely convinced there's will be boosted by as much as claimed?

That's a good point, but Mike Eccles was citing a 50% increase and a score around the 12.5 mark yesterday, and you'd think that most teams will have a very close idea of what their score is going to be by this stage.

That said, London have been a basket-case organisation off the field for years, so who knows! But Eccles seems pretty level-headed so unless he's been fed duff info then presumably he won't be too far off.

Is there the possibility that Hughes has written off all his director's loans etc and that has a big impact on their financial scores?

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

6 hours ago, The Phantom Horseman said:

That's a good point, but Mike Eccles was citing a 50% increase and a score around the 12.5 mark yesterday, and you'd think that most teams will have a very close idea of what their score is going to be by this stage.

That said, London have been a basket-case organisation off the field for years, so who knows! But Eccles seems pretty level-headed so unless he's been fed duff info then presumably he won't be too far off.

Is there the possibility that Hughes has written off all his director's loans etc and that has a big impact on their financial scores?

Not sure it would as again most (all?) of the finance stuff is a 3 year average (and wont include the 24 financial year which doesn't end till November). Their latest accounts (to Nov 23) show net liabilities of ca£21m. 

Averaging finish position will be 16 rather than 18.3 but without checking other clubs around that point I'm not sure how much of a boost they'll get from that either?*

Edit: they jut pip us (also on an average of 16th) getting the nod based on 2024 finishing positions so our performance score will drop to 2.400.

Edited October 22, 2024 by Les Tonks Sidestep

[Monkeymagic22]

I kind of think the same, with probably a minor reduction in score. 

[wasginger]

 

it will be interesting to hear the clubs response to  our grading,  and in what areas we can or will be improving on.

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

20 minutes ago, wasginger said:

 

it will be interesting to hear the clubs response to  our grading,  and in what areas we can or will be improving on.

Pretty sure that at a Fans' Forum it was stated that there's no way we could ever get into SL through the IMG system so they weren't going to put in much effort - and tbh there's not much to gain from doing so.

There are likely to be 9 Grade A clubs when the scores are announced tomorrow, with 3 others fairly close. Outside SL it will be (virtually) impossible for a club to beat any of those 12 in the future unless one goes belly up. 

[RayCee]

I've just put this together for FR recent historical finishing placings in the Championship. I'd welcome any input as I live far away so could get some things wrong with the article. For example, during the earlier licencing period, did the club not qualify to be promoted? 

https://rugbyl.blogspot.com/2024/10/featherstone-rovers-2003-24.html

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

3 minutes ago, RayCee said:

I've just put this together for FR recent historical finishing placings in the Championship. I'd welcome any input as I live far away so could get some things wrong with the article. For example, during the earlier licencing period, did the club not qualify to be promoted? 

https://rugbyl.blogspot.com/2024/10/featherstone-rovers-2003-24.html

Fev won the GF in 2011 so in a 'normal' year without licencing in place would have gained promotion.

[RayCee]

4 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

Fev won the GF in 2011 so in a 'normal' year without licencing in place would have gained promotion.

So they weren't granted a licence despite wanting to be promoted? 

[RayCee]

Wiki under Super League had this:

For the 2012–14 seasons Championship sides Batley, Barrow, Featherstone Rovers, Halifax and Widnes all met the on-field criteria needed to submit an application, but despite this only Barrow, Halifax and Widnes decided to submit an application.

[The Phantom Horseman]

8 minutes ago, RayCee said:

So they weren't granted a licence despite wanting to be promoted? 

Here's a video from the 2011 season. This is the game which clinched the league leaders' shield for Featherstone. We beat Widnes 44-4, having beaten them 56-16 a few weeks earlier at home.
Featherstone only lost 1 game all season and went on to win the Grand Final 40-4.
Widnes finished 18 points behind Featherstone but were promoted through the licensing system.

 

[Monkeymagic22]

The fact that Cas apparently have become a grade A club, shows what a farce this process is. For me automatic promotion and relegation, with a minimum level of standards to be met.

[Michael Bates]

The irony of it all isn't lost on me. The RFL / SL / whoever have promised to spend a fortune with IMG, and the result of the first iteration, the bottom SL club is "relegated" and the top championship club is "promoted". Truly ground breaking stuff.

[sentoffagain2]

    What a surprise London kicked out and Wakefield deservedly promoted.Something we all knew since the start of the season.That's it for Championship and League one clubs under IMG it's game over for ambition to reach the top tier.

[Gooleboy]

We have more chance of seeing Haleys Comet on a daily basis that getting in now.

[philcow]

How the hell can Barrow score more than Fev i am completely F-----D off with this sport now.

[Llangennech]

2 hours ago, sentoffagain2 said:

    What a surprise London kicked out and Wakefield deservedly promoted.Something we all knew since the start of the season.That's it for Championship and League one clubs under IMG it's game over for ambition to reach the top tier.

To reach SL? The ambition is to win SL, if not, don't bother turning up.  People should not be spending their money and wasting their precious time going to watch "professional" teams who have no chance of winning SL or the EPL.  They should instead go and watch their local amateur side and their national side.  Keighley, Barrow, Whitehaven, Workington, Hunslet etc should be amateur clubs, well, junior development clubs as IMO only the top clubs should have open-age teams.       

[Featherstonerovers2000]

Don’t worry I’m sure the club will inform us about r score and maybe cancel the radio silence 

[Fevrover]

18 hours ago, wasginger said:

 

it will be interesting to hear the clubs response to  our grading,  and in what areas we can or will be improving on.

Round the ground improvements coming apparently. 

[Fevrover]

1 hour ago, philcow said:

How the hell can Barrow score more than Fev i am completely F-----D off with this sport now.

Then they wonder why fans are turning away from the game.

[Monkeymagic22]

Barrow have given a good explanation of their IMG score on their website. Looks much more professional than the communication we get from the club. 

[Monkeymagic22]

Puts our website to shame to be honest.