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3 hours ago, Athleticgrounds said:

Its all a load if ###### 

Some of the scoring is pointless to be honest.   Take the stadum score - we are Superleague standard for 9 out 10 criteria.   Yet we score just a third of the points available.   Only fail on the TV gantry size - yet we are never going to be on TV at this level.  Having any kind of TV gantry should be sufficient - and we have.   Barrow, whose stadium fails most of the criteria and recognise they need to build a new stadium, gets a much higher score because they fill a higher percentage of seats.  If you have less seats than of course you will fill a higher percentage.   The scoring system is loaded against clubs like Hornets and it is deliberate.  

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6 hours ago, HornetsGrey said:

Some of the scoring is pointless to be honest.   Take the stadum score - we are Superleague standard for 9 out 10 criteria.   Yet we score just a third of the points available.   Only fail on the TV gantry size - yet we are never going to be on TV at this level.  Having any kind of TV gantry should be sufficient - and we have.   Barrow, whose stadium fails most of the criteria and recognise they need to build a new stadium, gets a much higher score because they fill a higher percentage of seats.  If you have less seats than of course you will fill a higher percentage.   The scoring system is loaded against clubs like Hornets and it is deliberate.  

Totally agree.. one big Con...RL simply not interested in anyone.. other than the big boys of Super League

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What I dont understand is why it was supported so overwhelmingly by the clubs outside of SL.

While the fans can see what the agenda is the owners voted for it like turkeys voting for Xmas.

We have seen the same thing with the Challenge Cup…a once great competition subjected to continuous changes all aimed at ensuring easier routes to the final for SL teams.

RFL wont be satisfied until the competition looks like NRL…a closed shop in SL and separate lower tier competitions aimed entirely at supporting SL clubs. We had better get used to it.

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14 hours ago, Anita Bath said:

What I dont understand is why it was supported so overwhelmingly by the clubs outside of SL.

While the fans can see what the agenda is the owners voted for it like turkeys voting for Xmas.

We have seen the same thing with the Challenge Cup…a once great competition subjected to continuous changes all aimed at ensuring easier routes to the final for SL teams.

RFL wont be satisfied until the competition looks like NRL…a closed shop in SL and separate lower tier competitions aimed entirely at supporting SL clubs. We had better get used to it.

You have seen the changes for 2024 then?

Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change.

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9 hours ago, Blind side johnny said:

You have seen the changes for 2024 then?

Yes…Super league clubs protected from facing each other in an open draw to make sure lower teams dont progress through the luck of the draw.

More manufacturing the outcome for IMGs favoured 12.

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On 24/10/2024 at 13:16, HornetsGrey said:

Some of the scoring is pointless to be honest.   Take the stadum score - we are Superleague standard for 9 out 10 criteria.   Yet we score just a third of the points available.   Only fail on the TV gantry size - yet we are never going to be on TV at this level.  Having any kind of TV gantry should be sufficient - and we have.   Barrow, whose stadium fails most of the criteria and recognise they need to build a new stadium, gets a much higher score because they fill a higher percentage of seats.  If you have less seats than of course you will fill a higher percentage.   The scoring system is loaded against clubs like Hornets and it is deliberate.  

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On 24/10/2024 at 13:16, HornetsGrey said:

Some of the scoring is pointless to be honest.   Take the stadum score - we are Superleague standard for 9 out 10 criteria.   Yet we score just a third of the points available.   Only fail on the TV gantry size - yet we are never going to be on TV at this level.  Having any kind of TV gantry should be sufficient - and we have.   Barrow, whose stadium fails most of the criteria and recognise they need to build a new stadium, gets a much higher score because they fill a higher percentage of seats.  If you have less seats than of course you will fill a higher percentage.   The scoring system is loaded against clubs like Hornets and it is deliberate.  

Honestly it's daft, at Oldham we only 'rented' the Joe Royle stand, not the whole of boundary park. I'm not sure if that's the same with you at spotland. Therefore our utilisation should be based on that.  Wonder what the RFL's utilisation of Wembley is. After all that's by no means full? At Oldham, we had a blinder of a season, had infinitely better facilities,  trebled, nearly quadrupled attendances and yet had a worse score than last year!!!!!! Utter tripe!

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On 25/10/2024 at 22:58, Anita Bath said:

Yes…Super league clubs protected from facing each other in an open draw to make sure lower teams dont progress through the luck of the draw.

More manufacturing the outcome for IMGs favoured 12.

Does your glass ever get half full?

Lower league clubs getting a much greater chance of a remunerative home fixture against SL clubs, which would result in significantly greater benefit than loss-making fixtures against other uninterested opponents. Anyone who thinks the CC is a money spinner is anchored in the past.

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Who said anything about money spinner? You seem to have drunk the IMG coolaid. Its about having a chance to progress to the later stages in a knock out comp.
 

The changes reduce the chances of non SL teams progressing. Even under the current badly flawed system York made the QFs two years ago precisely because they avoided drawing a SL club in the last 16.

The current system is designed to reduce the chances of that happening again.

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15 hours ago, Anita Bath said:

Who said anything about money spinner? You seem to have drunk the IMG coolaid. Its about having a chance to progress to the later stages in a knock out comp.
 

The changes reduce the chances of non SL teams progressing. Even under the current badly flawed system York made the QFs two years ago precisely because they avoided drawing a SL club in the last 16.

The current system is designed to reduce the chances of that happening again.

What benefit does such progression make to the club?

Yes, you didn't say money spinner. I assumed that you might also be interested in limiting losses - this is not an IMG initiative by the way, it has been popular in RL for quite some time.

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You dont think progressing to the QF of the cup…or further benefits a club outside super league?

I think it will attract folks who havent been to the club for a while, create a buzz in the town, increase their chances of being on TV and a bigger attendence than being shafted by a super league club in the early rounds.

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13 hours ago, Anita Bath said:

You dont think progressing to the QF of the cup…or further benefits a club outside super league?

I think it will attract folks who havent been to the club for a while, create a buzz in the town, increase their chances of being on TV and a bigger attendence than being shafted by a super league club in the early rounds.

Dream on. The CC is not anything like the competition that it was and is a drain on the majority of lower league clubs. This is claimed to be a key factor in reorganising the structure in 2025.

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4 hours ago, Blind side johnny said:

Dream on. The CC is not anything like the competition that it was and is a drain on the majority of lower league clubs. This is claimed to be a key factor in reorganising the structure in 2025.

We can agree on that.

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On 28/10/2024 at 00:35, Anita Bath said:

Who said anything about money spinner? You seem to have drunk the IMG coolaid. Its about having a chance to progress to the later stages in a knock out comp.
 

The changes reduce the chances of non SL teams progressing. Even under the current badly flawed system York made the QFs two years ago precisely because they avoided drawing a SL club in the last 16.

The current system is designed to reduce the chances of that happening again.

My dad used to say about the Challenge Cup: You want the worst team in it at home - until you're the worst team left in it. Then you want to play the best team away.

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From my perspective I am sick and tired of seeing the Challenge Cup final being contested every year by two of the top six teams in super league. 

I am old enough to remember when less fashionable clubs made to the cup final because the big clubs met each other in the early rounds..........that will never happen now even for the championship clubs that like to believe they belong in SL.

I don't know why clubs outside super league voted for a seeded competition - well I can really, because they believed they would earn more money progressing through say three rounds rather than losing in first round against a SL club - but by doing this they have thrown away any possibility of ever making it to Wembley.

The 1895 cup is a joke - gets not TV coverage and is played at a time when all the SL supporters have either left or not yet arrived.

I maybe bitter but I can remember when Swinton lost away at Halifax in the 3rd round but both teams had ambitions to get to Wembley as did other teams in that era.

Sorry, but I think all  the clubs outside SL have sold out.

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