England v Australia 2025 - coming to the UK!

[Cumbrian Fanatic]

3 minutes ago, JohnM said:

I may have missed something earlier in the ticket discussion. I recall Gurner explaining that some Everton tickets had been allocated ( but not sold/paid for) to Everton FC season ticket holders, thus in effect removing them from general sale but still counted as tickets sold.  

Is there any further information? Playing devil's advocate, selling out a 60k stadium so quicky sounds a little unusual 

My understanding was that Everton season ticket holders could buy allocated tickets in the 48 hour priority window - I logged on a soon as the window opened and the £100 tickets were not on sale, this section, or what was left was on sale when the general sale opened. Not sure what the case was during the 2 week window for registered priority buyers.

[gingerjon]

Just now, Cumbrian Fanatic said:

My understanding was that Everton season ticket holders could buy allocated tickets in the 48 hour priority window - I logged on a soon as the window opened and the £100 tickets were not on sale, this section, or what was left was on sale when the general sale opened. Not sure what the case was during the 2 week window for registered priority buyers.

I just looked on the Everton website and you're right - there was a window for Everton STH and members to buy but that window has closed.

[Coggo]

2 hours ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:

I personally love to analysis attendances because it's interesting to pull apart these little bits of data and find meaning in it, just like it's really interesting to study graphs and diagrams and maps.

One of my hobbies is long distance walking and I can spend hours studying OS maps and getting the tape measure out and the ruler and working out distances and gradients and deducing which is the best way to walk, one route might be longer but easier going and so quicker but maybe another route would take longer but there may be somewhere to get a drink halfway along so I wouldn't need as many supplies and thus my rucksack would be lighter.

Finding it fascinating to analysis data and statistics is just one of the more exciting parts of being a nerd!!

That’s nerdy alright - and a healthy outdoor pursuit - but nerdiness is not what I find slightly morbid. I think some people directly equate crowds with the sport’s value, as if it’s the most important thing. Actually TV deals are more important. 

[north yorks trinity]

31 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I just looked on the Everton website and you're right - there was a window for Everton STH and members to buy but that window has closed.

All windows are closed now it's sold out!

[Click]

9 hours ago, Coggo said:

That’s nerdy alright - and a healthy outdoor pursuit - but nerdiness is not what I find slightly morbid. I think some people directly equate crowds with the sport’s value, as if it’s the most important thing. Actually TV deals are more important. 

Of course TV deals are more important, but TV deals won't hang around for long if there is only a handful of people watching live in the stadiums.

[Dave T]

On 17/04/2025 at 16:32, hunsletgreenandgold said:

It has to be said, the ticket sales for Wembley have ground maybe not to a halt, but certainly to a trickle. My best guestimate now is we've sold somewhere between ~16-18k. I know we're still months off, I know there will be, hopefully, an advertising/marketing push between now and then, but momentum is everything. In say a month's time even on this forum all the chat about tickets and the series in general will be much less concentrated. I'm in London for few days in June - will be interesting to see if there's much going on to promote the game. 

Overall, I take nothing away from sales so far - there's much to be commended about having 2 complete sell outs. Now however, I'm revising my expectations for Wembley down and saying 50k will be a solid crowd that is hopefully still achievable and anything beyond that incredible. 

I would add to this and support a little caution.

What has happened so far imo is that we have expedited sales. The third Test has sold what is effectively half of the demand really. The second test has done brilliantly and I'd argue a large part of it is the new stadium novelty element. 

If Wembley is "struggling" it is because it is a harder sell and there is no urgency really in a 90k ground. It lacks the elements that helped the other two.

It's an interesting result so far, they have traded on scarcity and done a great job, but the results are likely to be similar to the 1990s Ashes and could still be some way worse.

The positive is that they have banked the cashe and can now go for it to make it a success.

[Just Browny]

Great historical article about the original Australian tour in a slightly surprising place - the Southport FC website.

https://www.southportfootballclub.co.uk/from-ash-lane-to-the-ashes-the-untold-southport-story-of-the-first-kangaroo-tour/

 

 

[Harry Stottle]

On 15/04/2025 at 19:16, Chrispmartha said:

Erm, no, the point is there have been larger crowds for international RL than what we will get at Everton since 1992.

In fact just 3 years ago.

Sorry misread your post, I thought you meant a game involving Gt Britain/England for the highest attendance.

[Chronicler of Chiswick]

28 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

Great historical article about the original Australian tour in a slightly surprising place - the Southport FC website.

https://www.southportfootballclub.co.uk/from-ash-lane-to-the-ashes-the-untold-southport-story-of-the-first-kangaroo-tour/

 

 

Very interesting, on a technical note multiply by 100 to get the equivalent in today's money.

[The Masked Poster]

35 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

Great historical article about the original Australian tour in a slightly surprising place - the Southport FC website.

https://www.southportfootballclub.co.uk/from-ash-lane-to-the-ashes-the-untold-southport-story-of-the-first-kangaroo-tour/

 

 

Thank you, that's a terrific read. 

[Gomersall]

Beat surrender: When Kangaroos clashed with The Jam
 

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/11/15/beat-surrender-when-kangaroos-clashed-with-the-jam/

[Chrispmartha]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Sorry misread your post, I thought you meant a game involving Gt Britain/England for the highest attendance.

The article is still incorrect if using that metric.

[Harry Stottle]

1 minute ago, Chrispmartha said:

The article is still incorrect if using that metric.

Not read the article Chris.

[Chrispmartha]

4 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Not read the article Chris.

Oh.

[Sports Prophet]

On 18/04/2025 at 16:29, Coggo said:

That’s nerdy alright - and a healthy outdoor pursuit - but nerdiness is not what I find slightly morbid. I think some people directly equate crowds with the sport’s value, as if it’s the most important thing. Actually TV deals are more important. 

Income from broadcasting is not consistently the biggest percentage of revenue for sports clubs. In the NFL, NRL, AFL and Prem’ League, clubs predominantly earn less than 50% of their total revenue from broadcasting.

For governing bodies, broadcasting revenue will be higher, but on this forum, there is too often a neglect for the importance of matchday revenue streams.

Big crowds are vital for revenue and legitimising the public interest in any given sport to commercial partners.

[Exiled Wiganer]

1 hour ago, Sports Prophet said:

Income from broadcasting is not consistently the biggest percentage of revenue for sports clubs. In the NFL, NRL, AFL and Prem’ League, clubs predominantly earn less than 50% of their total revenue from broadcasting.

For governing bodies, broadcasting revenue will be higher, but on this forum, there is too often a neglect for the importance of matchday revenue streams.

Big crowds are vital for revenue and legitimising the public interest in any given sport to commercial partners.

LOL - 3 sports and a pastime. 

[Sports Prophet]

10 hours ago, Just Browny said:

Great historical article about the original Australian tour in a slightly surprising place - the Southport FC website.

https://www.southportfootballclub.co.uk/from-ash-lane-to-the-ashes-the-untold-southport-story-of-the-first-kangaroo-tour/

 

 

That is a magnificent story. Great share.

Moving on, wouldn’t it be a great tradition for the Kangaroos on tour to retrace these steps. Had the tour started in France, then the Aussies could well have arrived by boat in Southport, spend their first couple of nights there, visit the same digs and have their official touring squad photo taken at the exact same spot for every tour and open every tour with a training run at Southport FC.

Taking a Kangaroo would be mega too  

[Just Browny]

32 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

That is a magnificent story. Great share.

Moving on, wouldn’t it be a great tradition for the Kangaroos on tour to retrace these steps. Had the tour started in France, then the Aussies could well have arrived by boat in Southport, spend their first couple of nights there, visit the same digs and have their official touring squad photo taken at the exact same spot for every tour and open every tour with a training run at Southport FC.

Taking a Kangaroo would be mega too  

You wouldn't have to replicate every step - it'd be a hell of a sailing from France to Southport for a start - but definitely worth taking the opportunity to commemorate some of the history.

Southport is only half an hour up the road from the Everton stadium so would actually be a very easy detour for this particular series.

[Archie Gordon]

They arrived at Southport? I were sure it were Tilbury.

[Just Browny]

1 minute ago, Archie Gordon said:

They arrived at Southport? I were sure it were Tilbury.

Tilbury would make a lot more sense; it doesn't say they arrived at Southport in the article, just that they were based there.

[Mr Plow]

On 18/04/2025 at 09:29, Coggo said:

That’s nerdy alright - and a healthy outdoor pursuit - but nerdiness is not what I find slightly morbid. I think some people directly equate crowds with the sport’s value, as if it’s the most important thing. Actually TV deals are more important. 

I guess fans of football and rugby union aren’t obsessed with attendances like RL becasue they sell their events out all the time. 90k people watching England v Australia would be historic.

[SouthportCentral]

2 hours ago, Just Browny said:

You wouldn't have to replicate every step - it'd be a hell of a sailing from France to Southport for a start - but definitely worth taking the opportunity to commemorate some of the history.

Southport is only half an hour up the road from the Everton stadium so would actually be a very easy detour for this particular series.

Hi Browny....

Glad you enjoyed the article... A visit is certainly the hope. I've written to the Southport MP and to the RFL today to see if we can try and arrange something. There is strong support and interest in supporting such a visit by the football and rugby clubs in the town.

[Sports Prophet]

3 hours ago, Just Browny said:

You wouldn't have to replicate every step - it'd be a hell of a sailing from France to Southport for a start - but definitely worth taking the opportunity to commemorate some of the history.

Southport is only half an hour up the road from the Everton stadium so would actually be a very easy detour for this particular series.

I mixed up Southport with Southend!!!  

 

[Sports Prophet]

20 minutes ago, SouthportCentral said:

Hi Browny....

Glad you enjoyed the article... A visit is certainly the hope. I've written to the Southport MP and to the RFL today to see if we can try and arrange something. There is strong support and interest in supporting such a visit by the football and rugby clubs in the town.

I’ll be reaching out to Mal later today on this. Fingers crossed.

[The Hallucinating Goose]

22 hours ago, Just Browny said:

Great historical article about the original Australian tour in a slightly surprising place - the Southport FC website.

https://www.southportfootballclub.co.uk/from-ash-lane-to-the-ashes-the-untold-southport-story-of-the-first-kangaroo-tour/

 

 

That is a fascinating article, one of the most interesting things I've read in a long time. Has anyone written a book about this first tour?