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1 hour ago, Anita Bath said:

many more professional hockey teams than that…you are only including the NHL.

That's not really relevant in the context of my point. Are there more Canadian professional teams than anywhere else in the world?


Posted
6 minutes ago, HawkMan said:

It's a crucial part of the problem. Expansion costs money, that money must come from the English game, just as the NRL pushed the Pacific region. The game here hasn't got the funds to throw at Euro expansion, unless it grows here, increases its value to potential broadcasters and investors. 

What has the NRL done to push the Pacific region? Serious question btw, has it helped the domestic scene in Fiji, Tonga or Samoa, or in NZ other than the Warriors? 

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Just now, Eddie said:

What has the NRL done to push the Pacific region? Serious question btw, has it helped the domestic scene in Fiji, Tonga or Samoa, or in NZ other than the Warriors? 

As the biggest and richest nation in the region by far, Australia can expand its cultural influence. England can't in Europe. It's a lot easier to spread your influence when your target is tiny, poor countries. As with most things when comparing the NRL and SL, they're entirely different landscapes. 

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Rugby League: Made for Television.  Is this the future of our sport? 

IIRC, the RFL jurisdiction is the UK.   The development of the game overall is the jurisdiction of IRL.

Whilst it's great to see the Dragons on SuperLeague, just as it was to see Toronto, but as things stand in ain't the RFLs job.  The IRL's remit is "As the global governing body for the sport of Rugby League, the role of International Rugby League (IRL) is to Foster, develop, promulgate, promote, govern and administer the game of rugby league throughout the world"

This is in my view where the power should be. Global TV rights, big city franchises that attract viewrs from Rockall to Rochester, Altrincham to Atlanta, Zhengzhou to Zagreb.

Some discussion here: 10 Ways Television Has Changed Sports | HowStuffWorks

 

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1 hour ago, Jonty58 said:

I have an idea.

Start a team in Canada.

Get a wealthy Australian Tycoon to bankroll it.

Have Beer Tents and Fanzones.

That would definitely work IMO.

If just 3 of the 8 clubs who voted against leaving Toronto back in had voted the other way they could still be there. Then Ottawa would have come in instead of Cornwall and apparently there was a New York team lined up next. That would have all happened in about 6 years. If they got up to say 10 teams in North America over time they could have branched off into their own league and the Canadian and US teams would have become stronger too. Was so small-minded of those 8.

 

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Eddie said:

It was working, but too many M62 clubs didn’t like it. 

Then the game in England is on borrowed time.

Welsh Crusaders

Toronto Wolfpack.

France treated like unwanted poor relations….

It will not end well for the game in the Northern Hemisphere IMO.

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12 minutes ago, Father Gascoigne said:

As the biggest and richest nation in the region by far, Australia can expand its cultural influence. England can't in Europe. It's a lot easier to spread your influence when your target is tiny, poor countries. As with most things when comparing the NRL and SL, they're entirely different landscapes. 

I know that. In what way have the NRL pushed the Pacific region though. 

Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, Eddie said:

I know that. In what way have the NRL pushed the Pacific region though. 

What do you want the NRL to do?

Their job and place is to look after the Australian Club scene.

The fact that they finance and put on International games is beyond their mandate.

What do you want them to do that Englands Super League is doing?

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4 hours ago, RayCee said:

To hear of a club competition in a European nation is seen as a positive but is that it? Is there any idea of how to expand and improve the standard of the game in Europe? France has its own established comps but it has benefitted France having two teams in England. Wales has one and....that's it. Where to from here?

Ireland and Scotland are not prospects, the Netherlands and Norway have some teams and close are neighbours. If a backer or two could be found and clubs from those countries wanted to join an English based comp, would that be rejected? Would a side from Serbia be able to enter a French league on the same basis. Has any effort been made to get a club up and running in Catalonia that could join a lower French league?

I can't see another way of lifting those nations to a more competitive standard unless they were able to do something like that. It all takes plenty of money and they would have to pay all the travel costs as per usual so I don't see that ever happening but I wondered if it would be accepted if the opportunity arose. 

A Euro League will NOT work, any time in the next century.  A Cup format, involving 8 teams, lasting 4-6 weeks, could  work.  But even that would need a lot of work and investment in order to pull it off.  Talk of anything larger than that is just insane.

But, none of this is a magic solution to long-term development.  Any country looking to grow the game does need to look inward.  The more players and teams they develop, the more they are playing year-round RL, the better they will get.  It is a long-term, slow process, but it is the only way.

And to answer your original question:  NO.  There is no plan.  For there to be a plan, there need to be funds.  And ERL is currently downsizing its operations, rather than expanding.  So it will be up to each individual nation to succeed on its own.

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7 minutes ago, Jonty58 said:

What do you want the NRL to do?

Their job and place is to look after the Australian Club scene.

The fact that they finance and put on International games is beyond their mandate.

What do you want them to do that Englands Super League is doing?

But fostering the International game is part of the ARLC's remit which is essentially the old ARL by a different name. And let's face it the ARLC and NRL are 2 sides of the same coin with V'Landys and Abdo calling the shots at both.

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4 minutes ago, Damien said:

But fostering the International game is part of the ARLC's remit which is essentially the old ARL by a different name. And let's face it the ARLC and NRL are 2 sides of the same coin with V'Landys and Abdo calling the shots at both.

What do you want them to do?

And pay for.

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1 hour ago, Jonty58 said:

I have an idea.

Start a team in Canada.

Get a wealthy Australian Tycoon to bankroll it.

Have Beer Tents and Fanzones.

That would definitely work IMO.

That fell apart when said Australian Tycoon decided to stop paying his suppliers.

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Just now, Harry Stottle said:

That fell apart when said Australian Tycoon decided to stop paying his suppliers.

Maybe he felt he had donated enough without any possibility of a return on his investment?

Would you put millions of dollars on the line without any support or guarantees from your partner?

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12 minutes ago, Damien said:

But fostering the International game is part of the ARLC's remit which is essentially the old ARL by a different name. And let's face it the ARLC and NRL are 2 sides of the same coin with V'Landys and Abdo calling the shots at both.

Australian Rugby League Commission

Formed in 2012, the ARLC is the governing body for Rugby League in Australia. It sets the overall strategic direction for the game and works to ensure that the administration across all levels of Rugby League can meet the demands of being a modern, professional and well governed sport. It has responsibility for funding the game at all levels and helping the game to grow and foster both in Australia and internationally.

Is this the same as being in charge of developing the game in other countries, or just making sure there is an International calndar?

Read about the official National Rugby League | NRL.com

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13 minutes ago, Damien said:

But fostering the International game is part of the ARLC's remit which is essentially the old ARL by a different name. And let's face it the ARLC and NRL are 2 sides of the same coin with V'Landys and Abdo calling the shots at both.

What does the English body do to “Foster” the International game?

Support and invest in France?
Ridicule playing them or suggest playing England B team against them?

Being critical is easy.

Having a serious look in the Mirror is more painful.
 

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11 minutes ago, Jonty58 said:

What do you want them to do?

And pay for.

You said it was beyond their mandate, I am simply pointing out that the international game is part of the ARLC's mandate.

As to what I think the NRL should do? They can pretty much step up what they are already doing. This will benefit themselves as much as anything. The PI nations are a rich source of players that the NRL can look to, and do to some extent. They can certainly do this more and the knock on effects of the increasing popularity of the NRL are obvious in terms of status, viewers, money etc too.

I know the NRL/Australian government already pay for development programs etc but I daresay this can be ramped up. 2nd tier comps with domestic Samoa, Tonga teams can be added like the Silktails and Hunters.

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2 minutes ago, Jonty58 said:

What does the English body do to “Foster” the International game?

Support and invest in France?
Ridicule playing them or suggest playing England B team against them?

Being critical is easy.

Having a serious look in the Mirror is more painful.
 

This is the trouble with this defensive stance. Most will freely admit the RFL can and should do more. You will find no fans more critical on this than English ones. That doesn't mean the NRL can't either.

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11 minutes ago, Damien said:

You said it was beyond their mandate, I am simply pointing out that the international game is part of the ARLC's mandate.

As to what I think the NRL should do? They can pretty much step up what they are already doing. This will benefit themselves as much as anything. The PI nations are a rich source of players that the NRL can look to, and do to some extent. They can certainly do this more and the knock on effects of the increasing popularity of the NRL are obvious in terms of status, viewers, money etc too.

I know the NRL/Australian government already pay for development programs etc but I daresay this can be ramped up. 2nd tier comps with domestic Samoa, Tonga teams can be added like the Silktails and Hunters.

I disagree.

There are many Australians that are not happy with players choosing to play for heritage teams.

Not all Australians want the game to head where it is going.

This is not racism but do you think Australians want to watch the NRL played by just Pacific Islanders?
 

They want to see Billy Slater being funded by a small Town doing Chook raffles to raise money to send him to bigger opportunities.

 

 

 

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Just now, Jonty58 said:

I disagree.

There are many Australians that are not happy with players choosing to play for heritage teams.

Not all Australians want the game to head where it is going.

Are there many? That surprises me as I have never seen anyone comment that they are unhappy on RL social media anyway. Its not like australia don't have a plethora of talent.

Want to head where the game is going? In what way? The NRL seems to be going great guns as far as I can see and growing and developing all the time. SOO is as big as ever. More competitive international teams than ever. What is so bad about all that?

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1 hour ago, Eddie said:

How about a competition with new teams from cities across Europe, could call it Euro 13s. 

What would it cost and who's paying?

"We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"

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What are the plans for expansion in <insert name of European country>? Do they want help? What are they doing to grow the game themselves? Why would they want help from organisations that are shrinking their own income and player base?

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1 minute ago, Damien said:

Are there many? That surprises me as I have never seen anyone comment that they are unhappy on RL social media anyway. Its not like australia don't have a plethora of talent.

Want to head where the game is going? In what way? The NRL seems to be going great guns as far as I can see and growing and developing all the time. SOO is as big as ever. More competitive international teams than ever. What is so bad about all that?

Well the total lack of development in the Northern Hemisphere is not looking that great.

The game has been in reverse for two decades plus.

Plenty on this forum have plenty of mouthy comments about the NRL and their perceived failures without looking at the absolute desert in their own back yard.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Damien said:

Are there many? That surprises me as I have never seen anyone comment that they are unhappy on RL social media anyway. Its not like australia don't have a plethora of talent.

Want to head where the game is going? In what way? The NRL seems to be going great guns as far as I can see and growing and developing all the time. SOO is as big as ever. More competitive international teams than ever. What is so bad about all that?

There are many Fans upset about born and bred Australian players deciding they are Samoan or Tongan.

 

 

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Just now, Jonty58 said:

Well the total lack of development in the Northern Hemisphere is not looking that great.

The game has been in reverse for two decades plus.

Plenty on this forum have plenty of mouthy comments about the NRL and their perceived failures without looking at the absolute desert in their own back yard.

You talked about Australians and this has nothing to do with it. I dont know why you keep pivoting to attack the game in the northern hemisphere instead. As I said we know the failings.

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3 hours ago, THE RED ROOSTER said:

I stand by my answer, but of course you could explain who sticking a franchise in Oslo for example is going to magically transform the fortunes of Rugby League. Leading to an increased UK TV deal from SKY and attracting new fans from places like Belfast, Avimore, Newquay, Llanelli and Lowestoft without their being professional rugby league nearby.

The floor is yours

Or they could just develop their own domestic competitions and have inter league competitions with nearby countries 

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