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21 minutes ago, JM2010 said:

Or they could just develop their own domestic competitions and have inter league competitions with nearby countries 

I said this earlier. I think the Balkan league model is the way to go with similar in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and Scandinavia.


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As long as the solution is perceived to be throw a couple of teams in the UK pyramid, we will never really grow to any decent level.

Of course it can form part of a strategy, but there needs to be more development and support from the international governing bodies.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Damien said:

I said this earlier. I think the Balkan league model is the way to go with similar in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and Scandinavia.

How much would that cost and who's paying?

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Griff said:

How much would that cost and who's paying?

The countries and teams themselves, just as they largely do anyway, with whatever grants from the RLEF they can get.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Damien said:

But fostering the International game is part of the ARLC's remit which is essentially the old ARL by a different name. And let's face it the ARLC and NRL are 2 sides of the same coin with V'Landys and Abdo calling the shots at both.

Helping to develop....fostering....

To me, that doesn't mean having the power, the authority, the budget.  It means helping. For me that means acting as the agent for the (supposed) world governing body.

Posted
3 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Helping to develop....fostering....

To me, that doesn't mean having the power, the authority, the budget.  It means helping. For me that means acting as the agent for the (supposed) world governing body.

That approach only works if you have a world governing body that is allowed to be a governing body and given the funds to do so. We don't, hence your supposed in brackets. Unfortunately I can't see that changing anytime soon.

So instead we have the NRL in Samoa, Tonga etc, which is great. Without doubt this benefits the NRL but I'm not really fussed on who is doing the development as long as someone is and it furthers the game. When it comes to Australasia I don't think anyone else is better placed anyway.

Posted
2 hours ago, langpark said:

A Euro League will NOT work, any time in the next century.  A Cup format, involving 8 teams, lasting 4-6 weeks, could  work.  But even that would need a lot of work and investment in order to pull it off.  Talk of anything larger than that is just insane.

But, none of this is a magic solution to long-term development.  Any country looking to grow the game does need to look inward.  The more players and teams they develop, the more they are playing year-round RL, the better they will get.  It is a long-term, slow process, but it is the only way.

And to answer your original question:  NO.  There is no plan.  For there to be a plan, there need to be funds.  And ERL is currently downsizing its operations, rather than expanding.  So it will be up to each individual nation to succeed on its own.

You could shorten the season and have a franchise style European comp. 6 major city teams in Europe that each host a full round of matches, mixing together locals with some professional ringers. This could finish with a GF at the Nou Camp.

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The multi million pound upgrade of the Nou Camp going on now is for  this very reason apparently. Hope it meets IMG standards.

 

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Posted
7 minutes ago, HawkMan said:

The multi million pound upgrade of the Nou Camp going on now is for  this very reason apparently. Hope it meets IMG standards.

 

What's the big screen like? 💣 

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The old saying “If you fail to plan, then you plan to fail” certainly applies to RL. The sport needs a stronger NH presence but whatever the best route forward is irrelevant because there is no plan being executed and expecting another country to become a strong RL nation all on their own in today’s world is highly unlikely. 

it was nice to read the input from you all. 

 

 

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Posted
4 hours ago, Jonty58 said:

What do you want the NRL to do?

Their job and place is to look after the Australian Club scene.

The fact that they finance and put on International games is beyond their mandate.

What do you want them to do that Englands Super League is doing?

Someone said the NRL have pushed the Pacific region and i asked in what way they’d done it. Your response is bizarre to say the least. 

Posted
56 minutes ago, Damien said:

What's the big screen like? 💣 

About that ... was listening to Five Live earlier ... someone lamenting that for the Champions League they don't put the big screen on.

"UEFA standard" right there.

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Posted
17 minutes ago, OriginalMrC said:

Well it should be Superleague Europe but that's never going to happen.

They can’t even fund development in their own backyards, let alone Europe. 

Posted
54 minutes ago, OriginalMrC said:

Well it should be Superleague Europe but that's never going to happen.

It shouldn’t be SL Europe. That won’t work. As I said earlier it needs to be domestic development with possible cross border competitions if they are viable. 
 

Posted
8 hours ago, JohnM said:

Two points in particular stand out in that:

* TV has concentrated interest in the top tiers of all sports and contrary to the common view of forum members here that has led to increased participation. 

* TV coverage is driven by paid commercials, so the fewer of those a sport can accommodate the less its rights are worth.

Posted
7 hours ago, sam4731 said:

You could shorten the season and have a franchise style European comp. 6 major city teams in Europe that each host a full round of matches, mixing together locals with some professional ringers. This could finish with a GF at the Nou Camp.

Why not the Bernebau or Metropolitano? 

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9 hours ago, JohnM said:

Helping to develop....fostering....

To me, that doesn't mean having the power, the authority, the budget.  It means helping. For me that means acting as the agent for the (supposed) world governing body.

Funnily enough just seen this today and what the ARLC see their priorities as being "to invest and grow international Rugby League":

https://x.com/BradWalterSport/status/1862996582985318519?t=8cIb4O3ZwS93Rtmn5WvzWw&s=19

 

Screenshot_20241130_235816_X.jpg

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20 minutes ago, Damien said:

Funnily enough just seen this today and what the ARLC see their priorities as being "to invest and grow international Rugby League":

https://x.com/BradWalterSport/status/1862996582985318519?t=8cIb4O3ZwS93Rtmn5WvzWw&s=19

 

Screenshot_20241130_235816_X.jpg

No market is easy but Europe would be a much tougher market than the Pacific has been. I'd like to see the NRL get involved in some way.  

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Posted
3 hours ago, Damien said:

Funnily enough just seen this today and what the ARLC see their priorities as being "to invest and grow international Rugby League":

https://x.com/BradWalterSport/status/1862996582985318519?t=8cIb4O3ZwS93Rtmn5WvzWw&s=19

 

Screenshot_20241130_235816_X.jpg

Yes, one of their several priorities. Presumably in default of an effective IRL who's absolute top priority should be governance of the sport at a national level followed by development of the sport at national level.

If IRL can't/ won't do it that way, then just re-allocate roles, with NRL in charge of the sport and IRL being subsidiary. Just as long as someone does it.

Maybe the new club of Salford Tigers (sic) could be the first to benefit.🙂👍

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10 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Perez has jumped to soccer the second he got his ground built.

 

He apparently was always a soccer fan, if you can believe him.

Cornish Media Website;

Perez has had a life-long interest in the beautiful game in England, describing himself as a bit of a ‘football anorak’. He grew up watching First Division / Premier League football on TV in Canada, but says: “My tastes changed, and I fell in love with football from League One down to the National League and non-league generally. To me that’s the heart and soul of football now.”

On the decision to become even more committed to the Cornish sports scene, Perez says: “We’ve been operating in Cornwall for a couple of years now and I don’t mind saying I’ve fallen in love with the Duchy. This opportunity came about, and I really believe in the potential of the football club.”

 

Truro FC are currently top of National League South, so in two years could be a football league team, first for Cornwall I think.

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Posted
10 hours ago, Eddie said:

Why not the Bernebau or Metropolitano? 

It was the previous connections that Catalans had with Barcelona which I'm not sure exist anymore.

Posted
On 30/11/2024 at 17:39, THE RED ROOSTER said:

Rugby League needs to expand in the British Isles, before it starts to think about anywhere else..

I don’t necessarily think it is an either/or situation, but I do agree, there needs some tremendous growth in the UK and that includes the existing SL clubs which as a collective are underperforming, despite what was probably the most successful SL season for 15 years.

Posted
1 minute ago, Eddie said:

There’s never been a club where there’s nobody there who wants to do it. 

The difference between, say, the ongoing NRL plans which balances the league's own strategy, that of the local governments, the resources the people involved in each consortium, with the limited number of places available versus "there's some blokes who can get on that new pitch in Goole".

It's not the same.

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Posted
21 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

The difference between, say, the ongoing NRL plans which balances the league's own strategy, that of the local governments, the resources the people involved in each consortium, with the limited number of places available versus "there's some blokes who can get on that new pitch in Goole".

It's not the same.

I think the closest to that we've had to that is Catalans who have been a great success and financially have developed into a SL powerhouse. That, as you talk about, seemed to balance a genuine strategy and vision with what the club offered.

Obvious since then we decided to completely ignore that and go down different path.

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