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With the news of the HMRC issue hitting the forums again I asked this question on Google which is as far as I know pretty close to what has happened with Fax.
 
What does it mean if a HMRC winding up petition is adjourned for a month and then at the second hearing both parties are asked to provide more evidence with the company’s legal experts saying they have a strong case then there is a follow up hearing a year later.
 
This was Googles AI answer.
 
 
Quote. “This scenario indicates a complex, high-stakes legal battle where the company is actively fighting a HMRC winding-up petition, rather than letting it proceed to immediate liquidation. The series of adjournments suggests that while HMRC believes the debt is owed, the court is not yet fully satisfied that liquidation is the only option, or that it requires more time to investigate the company's defense
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Here is a breakdown of what this specific sequence of events means:
 
1. The Initial Adjournment (1 Month)
  • What it means: The court gave the company breathing space, likely because the company (represented by solicitors) argued that the debt is disputed, is being settled, or that a repayment plan is being negotiated.
  • HMRC Position: HMRC often agrees to short adjournments if a "Time to Pay" arrangement is being negotiated. 
 
2. The Second Hearing & Call for Further Evidence
  • "Both parties are asked for more evidence": This is a critical point. It means the judge did not accept the initial arguments of either side as sufficient. The court is exercising its discretion to investigate, rather than immediately ordering a winding-up.
  • The "Strong Case" Claim: If the company's legal team has a "strong case," this usually means they are arguing that the debt is not legitimately owed (e.g., incorrect tax calculations, cross-claims against HMRC, or procedural irregularities in how the petition was served).
  • Outcome: The judge requires detailed documentation to prove these claims before making a final decision. 
 
3. The One-Year Follow-up Hearing
  • Why a year? An adjournment of this length is unusual for a standard winding-up petition, which usually takes 8-12 weeks to resolve. Such a long delay indicates that the dispute is deeply complex, possibly involving litigation, fraud allegations, or a major restructuring process, such as a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) or administration.
  • What it means for the company: The company is effectively in "limbo." While it can continue to trade, it is likely that its bank accounts are frozen or restricted, and trading will be extremely difficult (and potentially requires a Court Validation Order).
  • Risk Level: The company is operating under extreme, long-term pressure. However, the fact that a year has been allowed suggests the judge believes there is a viable defense or restructuring path to avoid liquidation. 
 
Summary of Situation
This scenario means the company has successfully avoided immediate closure, but the situation is very serious. The case is likely transitioning from a simple debt collection exercise into a complex insolvency dispute.
Crucial Actions Now:
  • Strict Adherence to Evidence: The company must produce robust, evidence-backed documentation (witness statements, financial records, expert reports) for the next hearing.
  • Ongoing Legal Representation: This situation requires specialist insolvency lawyers to manage the case and ensure the company doesn't fall into wrongful trading. 
Disclaimer: This information is for general knowledge only based on the search results and does not constitute legal advice. A company facing a winding-up petition should seek immediate professional legal advice from an insolvency practitioner or solicitor. End.
 
I personally know nothing about these issues but found it very interesting and as before let’s hope it’s sorted.
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Here’s the official hearing notification from their website for next Monday.

"Insolvency & Companies Court (Chancery Division) Daily Cause List.

Rolls Building

Fetter Lane, London

EC4A 1NL.

List for 09 February 2026.

Last updated 06 February 2026 at 4:02pm.

Insolvency and Companies Court Judge Greenwood.

2pm
The Rolls Building, hearing room 8

Companies application.

CR-2024-00628.

Halifax Rugby League Football Club Limited."

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3 hours ago, Boots said:

Here’s the official hearing notification from their website for next Monday.

"Insolvency & Companies Court (Chancery Division) Daily Cause List.

Rolls Building

Fetter Lane, London

EC4A 1NL.

List for 09 February 2026.

Last updated 06 February 2026 at 4:02pm.

Insolvency and Companies Court Judge Greenwood.

2pm
The Rolls Building, hearing room 8

Companies application.

CR-2024-00628.

Halifax Rugby League Football Club Limited."

Going to be a interesting day Monday with the court date and should we get through challenge cup 4th round draw

Posted
10 minutes ago, Cparks91 said:

Going to be a interesting day Monday with the court date and should we get through challenge cup 4th round draw

On the one hand there’s obviously a degree of serious concern and I can see why HMRC with nothing to lose would let it run but on the other hand it’s hard to believe Fax with everything to lose would just ignore it and get to the point of being wound up on Monday.

Finally on the other hand there’s nowt at the moment but useful to have 3 hands.

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10 minutes ago, Boots said:

On the one hand there’s obviously a degree of serious concern and I can see why HMRC with nothing to lose would let it run but on the other hand it’s hard to believe Fax with everything to lose would just ignore it and get to the point of being wound up on Monday.

Finally on the other hand there’s nowt at the moment but useful to have 3 hands.

Weird how the club hasn’t even communicated to fans on the issue even if it’s a little statement acknowledging the date even if they say they believe it’s gonna go in the clubs favour ect 

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1 hour ago, Cparks91 said:

Weird how the club hasn’t even communicated to fans on the issue even if it’s a little statement acknowledging the date even if they say they believe it’s gonna go in the clubs favour ect 

Unbelievable. Especially with it being mentioned on the Panthers Fans Forum as being on the agenda and when someone asked if it was time to get the buckets out the response was very likely and could we increase our Golden Gamble purchases.🤨

It’s like shouting “ I’m drowning “ and the pool owner says can’t you learn to swim faster as a Great White glides past.

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48 minutes ago, Cparks91 said:

Weird how the club hasn’t even communicated to fans on the issue even if it’s a little statement acknowledging the date even if they say they believe it’s gonna go in the clubs favour ect 

Indeed. No mention at all. Really good we’re able to see the players do nfl challenges though and ask who they think will win the Super Bowl 😒

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14 minutes ago, Faxpanthers2025 said:

Indeed. No mention at all. Really good we’re able to see the players do nfl challenges though and ask who they think will win the Super Bowl 😒

Ahhh yes the famous who’s gonna win the nfl question 

you’d have thought after the backlash they got on social media for leaving it till the last minute to mention it that they would have learnt surely they would have known before it became public knowledge that the hearing is Monday imagine winning Sunday going into the draw for the 4th round potentially a money spinner at home and then finding out we have no club 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Cloudburst said:

Absolutely bonkers that the club could be finished on monday and not a peep from anyone . The mind boggles.

Have any of your contacts not said or know anything else?

Posted
5 hours ago, Boots said:

Have any of your contacts not said or know anything else?

Nope , i was asked on tuesday but at that point nothing had updated on caseboard , i was told later that day it was monday but not till you put the caseboard snapshot up did i know the exact time , as mentioned at the forum last year its the barrister not the directors who seemed confident of a positive outcome.

 

I sent chat gpt of the screen shot and asked what were the chances of going bust , here was the response

 

Yep — that screenshot changes the picture materially.

Given there is a live High Court winding-up hearing listed for Monday (09 Feb 2026, 14:00) at the Insolvency and Companies Court, here’s the realistic assessment of the risk.

🏉 Halifax Panthers – bust on Monday?

Short answer

It’s now a real risk — but still not the most likely outcome.

I’d frame it as:

Immediate liquidation on Monday: ~15–25%

Adjournment / time to pay / dismissal: ~75–85%

That’s no longer “remote”, but it’s also not a cliff-edge certainty.

Why Monday matters (and why it doesn’t automatically mean bust)

A winding-up petition hearing has four main outcomes:

1️⃣ Petition dismissed (best case)

Debt paid (or agreed) before or at court

Evidence of ability to pay

HMRC or petitioner withdraws

👉 Club carries on (often quietly)

2️⃣ Adjournment / time to pay (very common)

Judge gives more time (weeks/months)

Often with conditions

👉 This is the most common outcome for rugby clubs

3️⃣ Petition upheld but order suspended

Rare, but possible

👉 Still breathing space

4️⃣ Winding-up order granted (worst case)

Official Receiver appointed

Trading effectively stops

👉 This is the “bust” scenario

What the screenshot tells us (important details)

Key signals from what you’ve shown:

Status: “Active” → petition hasn’t been resolved yet

No documents available → often means:

last-minute negotiations ongoing

payment discussions still live

Companies Court, not Chancery → standard insolvency hearing

Single hearing listed → not yet escalated or contested heavily

None of that screams “pre-determined liquidation”.

Factors that reduce the chance of bust on Monday

📌 HMRC almost always prefers payment over liquidation

📌 Rugby clubs are frequently given adjournments

📌 Halifax have historically:

survived similar hearings

found short-term funding late

📌 If money is paid even on the morning, judges will usually stand it down

Factors that increase the risk (and can’t be ignored)

⚠️ Repeated HMRC issues over time

⚠️ Thin cash buffer

⚠️ If no payment plan is agreed by Monday afternoon

⚠️ If HMRC actively presses for liquidation (rare, but decisive)

Bottom line (no fluff)

Monday is serious.

Bust is possible, but still not the default outcome.

The most likely result is adjournment or settlement, if cash or guarantees are produced.

If you want, next I can:

walk you through exactly what to watch for on Monday afternoon

explain what it means if nothing updates on Caseboard

or map what this would mean for league position / RFL response if the worst happened

You’re right to flag it — this is no longer just rumour.

Posted
3 hours ago, Cloudburst said:

Nope , i was asked on tuesday but at that point nothing had updated on caseboard , i was told later that day it was monday but not till you put the caseboard snapshot up did i know the exact time , as mentioned at the forum last year its the barrister not the directors who seemed confident of a positive outcome.

 

I sent chat gpt of the screen shot and asked what were the chances of going bust , here was the response

 

Yep — that screenshot changes the picture materially.

Given there is a live High Court winding-up hearing listed for Monday (09 Feb 2026, 14:00) at the Insolvency and Companies Court, here’s the realistic assessment of the risk.

🏉 Halifax Panthers – bust on Monday?

Short answer

It’s now a real risk — but still not the most likely outcome.

I’d frame it as:

Immediate liquidation on Monday: ~15–25%

Adjournment / time to pay / dismissal: ~75–85%

That’s no longer “remote”, but it’s also not a cliff-edge certainty.

Why Monday matters (and why it doesn’t automatically mean bust)

A winding-up petition hearing has four main outcomes:

1️⃣ Petition dismissed (best case)

Debt paid (or agreed) before or at court

Evidence of ability to pay

HMRC or petitioner withdraws

👉 Club carries on (often quietly)

2️⃣ Adjournment / time to pay (very common)

Judge gives more time (weeks/months)

Often with conditions

👉 This is the most common outcome for rugby clubs

3️⃣ Petition upheld but order suspended

Rare, but possible

👉 Still breathing space

4️⃣ Winding-up order granted (worst case)

Official Receiver appointed

Trading effectively stops

👉 This is the “bust” scenario

What the screenshot tells us (important details)

Key signals from what you’ve shown:

Status: “Active” → petition hasn’t been resolved yet

No documents available → often means:

last-minute negotiations ongoing

payment discussions still live

Companies Court, not Chancery → standard insolvency hearing

Single hearing listed → not yet escalated or contested heavily

None of that screams “pre-determined liquidation”.

Factors that reduce the chance of bust on Monday

📌 HMRC almost always prefers payment over liquidation

📌 Rugby clubs are frequently given adjournments

📌 Halifax have historically:

survived similar hearings

found short-term funding late

📌 If money is paid even on the morning, judges will usually stand it down

Factors that increase the risk (and can’t be ignored)

⚠️ Repeated HMRC issues over time

⚠️ Thin cash buffer

⚠️ If no payment plan is agreed by Monday afternoon

⚠️ If HMRC actively presses for liquidation (rare, but decisive)

Bottom line (no fluff)

Monday is serious.

Bust is possible, but still not the default outcome.

The most likely result is adjournment or settlement, if cash or guarantees are produced.

If you want, next I can:

walk you through exactly what to watch for on Monday afternoon

explain what it means if nothing updates on Caseboard

or map what this would mean for league position / RFL response if the worst happened

You’re right to flag it — this is no longer just rumour.

Yeah can u explain what happens if nothing updates on the caseboard 

at a push would be similar to fev we’d lose fixtures n clubs would have another loop fixture I’m guessing 

Posted
16 minutes ago, Cparks91 said:

Yeah can u explain what happens if nothing updates on the caseboard 

at a push would be similar to fev we’d lose fixtures n clubs would have another loop fixture I’m guessing 

Plain English summary

No Caseboard update after Monday = probably safe (for now)

Immediate update = problem

Total silence for days = adjournment or payment

If you want, message me Monday afternoon / evening with whatever you see (or don’t see), and I’ll decode it properly — no guesswork, no panic.

Posted
1 minute ago, Cloudburst said:

Plain English summary

No Caseboard update after Monday = probably safe (for now)

Immediate update = problem

Total silence for days = adjournment or payment

If you want, message me Monday afternoon / evening with whatever you see (or don’t see), and I’ll decode it properly — no guesswork, no panic.

Cheers I’m guessing won’t hear much from the club since they haven’t even acknowledged Monday to fans yet 

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30 minutes ago, Cloudburst said:

Plain English summary

No Caseboard update after Monday = probably safe (for now)

Immediate update = problem

Total silence for days = adjournment or payment

If you want, message me Monday afternoon / evening with whatever you see (or don’t see), and I’ll decode it properly — no guesswork, no panic.

Is the snap shot answer Google type a AI generated appraisal, has the likes of RD not said anything?

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29 minutes ago, Cparks91 said:

Cheers I’m guessing won’t hear much from the club since they haven’t even acknowledged Monday to fans yet 

I asked chat gpt that question

 

Short answer: because saying anything right now only creates downside for them.

Longer answer — there are a few very specific reasons clubs go quiet in this exact situation.

Why the club hasn’t said anything (this is very normal)

1️⃣ They’re in active negotiations

If HMRC (or another creditor) is involved, the club will almost certainly have been told — explicitly — not to make public statements while discussions are live.

Why?

Public comments can:

spook creditors

trigger suppliers demanding payment

cause players/staff to panic

Judges don’t like grandstanding before a hearing

👉 Silence = talks still ongoing.

2️⃣ Anything they say could be wrong in 48 hours

Before a Companies Court hearing, outcomes can change on the morning of the hearing.

If they say:

“We’re confident” → and need an adjournment

“We’ve sorted it” → and paperwork isn’t final

…they lose credibility instantly.

So the safest line is: say nothing until it’s done.

3️⃣ Rugby clubs only speak when forced

This is especially true at Championship level.

Clubs usually follow this pattern:

❌ Pre-hearing: silence

🟡 Post-adjournment: maybe silence, maybe a bland line

🔴 Liquidation risk: immediate statement

If they were about to fold, you’d normally see:

emergency statements

appeals to fans

“12 hours to save the club” language

You’ve seen none of that.

That’s telling.

4️⃣ Legal advice: say nothing

Their solicitor will almost certainly have told them:

“Do not comment publicly on an active winding-up petition.”

That advice is standard.

Even a neutral “we’re aware” can be twisted into:

an admission of insolvency

evidence of distress

5️⃣ They’ve been here before

This matters.

Halifax have:

survived similar hearings

taken criticism for previous comms

learned that noise makes things worse

Clubs that don’t survive usually start shouting.

Clubs that do survive tend to go quiet and sort it.

The uncomfortable truth (but reassuring one)

Silence doesn’t mean “everything’s fine” —

but it does usually mean:

no immediate liquidation expected

confidence they’ll get time or settle

no benefit in stirring panic

If silence continues after Monday

That’s actually a good sign.

If:

hearing happens

no statement

fixtures continue

wages get paid

→ adjournment or deal almost guaranteed.

Bottom line

They’re not being sneaky.

They’re being prudent.

If you want, after Monday I can help you:

read between the lines of any statement (or lack of one)

spot the real warning signs if they appear

or sanity-check rumours as they pop up

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Boots said:

Is the snap shot answer Google type a AI generated appraisal, has the likes of RD not said anything?

Similar , i dont know a great deal about these kind of processes so i use these ai subscriptions to clarify things , no rd hasnt said anything.

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18 minutes ago, Cloudburst said:

Similar , i dont know a great deal about these kind of processes so i use these ai subscriptions to clarify things , no rd hasnt said anything.

Reading through the snap chat answer it’s obviously informative but a lot of it is just generalisation which is understandable as each case will only specifically apply to it.                                                    
Just picking out the best case scenario eg: it’s all been sorted could be indicated by the case being pulled by Monday and it disappears from the court case list.
                                                                                                                                                      A still active both a middle of the road eg: Time to pay or a bad outcome scenario eg: liquidation imminent won’t be known until after the hearing when the judge has made a decision followed by either by bleeding marvellous or bleeding hell.

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3 minutes ago, Boots said:

Reading through the snap chat answer it’s obviously informative but a lot of it is just generalisation which is understandable as each case will only specifically apply to it.                                                    
Just picking out the best case scenario eg: it’s all been sorted could be indicated by the case being pulled by Monday and it disappears from the court case list.
                                                                                                                                               A still active both a middle of the road eg: Time to pay or a bad outcome scenario eg: liquidation imminent won’t be known until after the hearing when the judge has made a decision followed by either by bleeding marvellous or bleeding hell.

catch 22 let’s hope it’s something positive followed by a home draw in the challenge cup 4th round should we get through 

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Posted
4 hours ago, Cparks91 said:

Yeah can u explain what happens if nothing updates on the caseboard 

at a push would be similar to fev we’d lose fixtures n clubs would have another loop fixture I’m guessing 

Really hope you don't end up like us,it's unreal,but we know it's our own fault. 

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1 hour ago, Fevrover said:

Really hope you don't end up like us,it's unreal,but we know it's our own fault. 

Not qualified to make a informed decision regarding Fev, as you know most if not all of you guys really knows what’s gone on or what will happen next but we do know the supporters of both will have backed our respective clubs to the hilt, past, present & future so we’re not responsible.

What else can us supporters do other than trust those at the helm.

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I cant insert the screenshot on caseboard but the the wording for todays hearing is different its not winding up petition but companies application.

What's the wording companies application mean here ?

Good question — the wording “Companies application” is actually quite specific and (quietly) important.

In plain English, it means this is not the winding-up hearing itself.

What “Companies application” means here

It means the court is dealing with an application made under the Companies Act / Insolvency Rules, usually by the company or one of the parties, asking the judge to decide on a procedural or protective issue.

Typical reasons for a Companies application in this context include:

An application to adjourn or stay the winding-up petition

An application to restrain or dismiss the petition

An application to approve a payment plan or compromise (often HMRC-related)

An application for time to refinance, sell assets, or restructure

An application dealing with evidence or conduct of the petition

In short:

👉 it’s a “please decide this issue first” hearing, not a “shut the company down today” hearing.

Why that matters

A few key implications:

✅ The court is still treating the company as a going concern

✅ The winding-up petition is still alive, but paused behind this application

❌ It is not the final winding-up decision

⚖️ The judge can:

adjourn again

impose conditions

dismiss the petition

or list a future winding-up hearing

Why it’s before Judge Greenwood (Companies Judge)

Companies Judges usually handle:

technical insolvency disputes

restructuring / rescue attempts

contested HMRC matters

That also suggests this is more complex than a routine “pay up or wind up” hearing.

The timeline tells a story

Oct 2024 – petition issued

Dec 2024 – winding-up hearing (not concluded)

Feb 2026 – Companies application

That long gap strongly points to negotiations, adjournments, or conditional relief, not imminent liquidation.

Bottom line:

“Companies application” means the court is being asked to rule on a specific application connected to the winding-up case — not to wind the company up at this hearing.

If you want, I can also:

translate what the most likely application is based on HMRC practice

explain what outcomes are realistic on the day

or decode what “no documents available” usually means at this stage

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