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4 hours ago, phiggins said:

The club seem to have taken a step back when it comes to comms on departures. Nothing said about a single departure this year from what I can remember. No officlal comment on Chris Chester or Darnell McIntosh. Appears that Brad Dwyer, Alec Tuitivake and Jack Derbyshire have left, but we've no way of knowing unless they sign for a new club.

Looks to me like the comms / media department are badly under resourced. Silence on some matters and basic errors on stuff that does go out, suggest not enough time to check content or schedules. It's only a few days ago, we posted a clip of O'Neill talking about his favourite try of the season, despite the fact he was leaving.

This will be all down to Beaumont. He's only interested in the 'here and now' at Leigh, nothing will ever change.

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Honestly not too fussed over Oneill going to Leeds, I always thought he got dominated when taking the ball up and had little impact hitting the line, good defender though and overall was worth the punt by Leigh bringing him over on a relatively small contract.

He had a poor attitude at the end of the season and was never going to be re-signed for 27 onwards so the deal suits both parties, Leeds have offered him a good deal for 3 years so he was released.

I hope he proves me wrong but I think Leeds fans will be very underwhelmed and a club of their standing should be aiming higher.

I think we may see some contract upgrades for the likes of Hanley and hopefully Trout.

 

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10 hours ago, phiggins said:

The club seem to have taken a step back when it comes to comms on departures. Nothing said about a single departure this year from what I can remember. No officlal comment on Chris Chester or Darnell McIntosh. Appears that Brad Dwyer, Alec Tuitivake and Jack Derbyshire have left, but we've no way of knowing unless they sign for a new club.

Looks to me like the comms / media department are badly under resourced. Silence on some matters and basic errors on stuff that does go out, suggest not enough time to check content or schedules. It's only a few days ago, we posted a clip of O'Neill talking about his favourite try of the season, despite the fact he was leaving.

Last year was the exception rather than the rule in that several big players were all leaving from the cup winning team. As a general rule Leigh have never announced departures except for club legends. I don’t think a single season import is going to change that, especially one that didn’t even play the full season and look to be leaving under a cloud.

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2 hours ago, binosh said:

Honestly not too fussed over Oneill going to Leeds, I always thought he got dominated when taking the ball up and had little impact hitting the line, good defender though and overall was worth the punt by Leigh bringing him over on a relatively small contract.

He had a poor attitude at the end of the season and was never going to be re-signed for 27 onwards so the deal suits both parties, Leeds have offered him a good deal for 3 years so he was released.

I hope he proves me wrong but I think Leeds fans will be very underwhelmed and a club of their standing should be aiming higher.

I think we may see some contract upgrades for the likes of Hanley and hopefully Trout.

 

Pretty much feel the same to be honest, in terms of replace-ability, I had him just above Tuitavake and Pene. Definitely had value as a non quota player, although that has diminished with the increase to 10. 
 

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Well put Rob & Binosh..

 

I considered posting something very similar but you are the trailblazers on that front.

 

He was OK but he did get hurt as well .

I'm not saddened by his departure at all.

 

Aaron Pene next one hopes.

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14 hours ago, LeytherRob said:

Last year was the exception rather than the rule in that several big players were all leaving from the cup winning team. As a general rule Leigh have never announced departures except for club legends. I don’t think a single season import is going to change that, especially one that didn’t even play the full season and look to be leaving under a cloud.

Yes, we have returned to the norm, but it's still poor. 

17 hours ago, binosh said:

Honestly not too fussed over Oneill going to Leeds, I always thought he got dominated when taking the ball up and had little impact hitting the line, good defender though and overall was worth the punt by Leigh bringing him over on a relatively small contract.

He had a poor attitude at the end of the season and was never going to be re-signed for 27 onwards so the deal suits both parties, Leeds have offered him a good deal for 3 years so he was released.

I hope he proves me wrong but I think Leeds fans will be very underwhelmed and a club of their standing should be aiming higher.

I think we may see some contract upgrades for the likes of Hanley and hopefully Trout.

 

I rate him higher than that. I think he defends better on an edge than Trout did, who struggled at times positionally and against faster players imo, and O'Neill also gives a threat attacking a cross field kick. Think he'll do well at Leeds. 

That said, we have a lot of players going into their last year, and he was one of them. Can't keep them all, so staggering it slightly might not be a bad move. But we need to bring another forward or two in. 

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15 hours ago, LeytherRob said:

Last year was the exception rather than the rule in that several big players were all leaving from the cup winning team. As a general rule Leigh have never announced departures except for club legends. I don’t think a single season import is going to change that, especially one that didn’t even play the full season and look to be leaving under a cloud.

It's really poor comms that club doesn't acknowledge the players and staff that leave IMO

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1 hour ago, phiggins said:

Joe Shorrocks to Saints. 1 year deal.

Ufff that’ll go down well.

Saints’ recruitment has been genuinely poor this off season. Not a single issue seen last year resolved IMO. 

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22 hours ago, binosh said:

Honestly not too fussed over Oneill going to Leeds, I always thought he got dominated when taking the ball up and had little impact hitting the line, good defender though and overall was worth the punt by Leigh bringing him over on a relatively small contract.

He had a poor attitude at the end of the season and was never going to be re-signed for 27 onwards so the deal suits both parties, Leeds have offered him a good deal for 3 years so he was released.

I hope he proves me wrong but I think Leeds fans will be very underwhelmed and a club of their standing should be aiming higher.

I think we may see some contract upgrades for the likes of Hanley and hopefully Trout.

 

Not sure I agree, he reminds me a lot of McDonald how he performed at Leigh, and since he went to Leeds he has been one of their more consistent players and not just this season under Authur but also the guru of coaching Rohan Smith.

I think he will do well at the Rhinos. 

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46 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said:

Ufff that’ll go down well.

Saints’ recruitment has been genuinely poor this off season. Not a single issue seen last year resolved IMO. 

The same as a lot of other Clubs.

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52 minutes ago, shrewsbury roughyed said:

Oldham sign Corey Geyer (Matt Geyer’s son), hooker from Queensland Cup Grand Final winners Burleigh Bears, plus back row forward Ewan Moore from the same club.

from Queensland to Oldham - similar to a fly been shooed off a cream bun and landing on the dog shht instead

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I know Bono and he knows Ono and she knows Enos phone goes thus 

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3 hours ago, GeordieSaint said:

Ufff that’ll go down well.

Saints’ recruitment has been genuinely poor this off season. Not a single issue seen last year resolved IMO. 

I’m curious, what issues do you see that needs to be resolved but isn’t?

The single biggest issue that needed to be resolved was in the coaching box; that’s been sorted.

Rowley has already spoken in his star interview about the importance of keeping a settled spine:- not having 11 combinations of 1. 6. 7. next season would dramatically improve Saints without signing anyone at all. 

We struggled against bigger packs last season; we’ve brought in Klemmer to support Walmsley and Host to support Sironen, meaning we should have a much better metre eaters to grinders ratio than we did last season. Players like Shorrocks and Wright mean we should have some actual depth too.

We struggled when the first choice backs were out last season, as we had some plodders like Bennison and Whitley needing to play in the outside backs, we have replaced them with Douglas and (Centre yet to be announced, rumoured to be Seve).

I will say a lot of our season is resting on the progression of Dagnall, Robertson, Whitby, Delaney and Stephens, but I’m not so quietly confident that Rowley will be a huge leap forwards next season. 

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16 hours ago, Magic Superbeetle said:

I’m curious, what issues do you see that needs to be resolved but isn’t?

The single biggest issue that needed to be resolved was in the coaching box; that’s been sorted.

Rowley has already spoken in his star interview about the importance of keeping a settled spine:- not having 11 combinations of 1. 6. 7. next season would dramatically improve Saints without signing anyone at all. 

We struggled against bigger packs last season; we’ve brought in Klemmer to support Walmsley and Host to support Sironen, meaning we should have a much better metre eaters to grinders ratio than we did last season. Players like Shorrocks and Wright mean we should have some actual depth too.

We struggled when the first choice backs were out last season, as we had some plodders like Bennison and Whitley needing to play in the outside backs, we have replaced them with Douglas and (Centre yet to be announced, rumoured to be Seve).

I will say a lot of our season is resting on the progression of Dagnall, Robertson, Whitby, Delaney and Stephens, but I’m not so quietly confident that Rowley will be a huge leap forwards next season. 

Not having a competent 6 or 7 while having your 1 as playing half injured has to be a close 2nd.

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16 hours ago, Magic Superbeetle said:

I’m curious, what issues do you see that needs to be resolved but isn’t?

The single biggest issue that needed to be resolved was in the coaching box; that’s been sorted.

Rowley has already spoken in his star interview about the importance of keeping a settled spine:- not having 11 combinations of 1. 6. 7. next season would dramatically improve Saints without signing anyone at all. 

We struggled against bigger packs last season; we’ve brought in Klemmer to support Walmsley and Host to support Sironen, meaning we should have a much better metre eaters to grinders ratio than we did last season. Players like Shorrocks and Wright mean we should have some actual depth too.

We struggled when the first choice backs were out last season, as we had some plodders like Bennison and Whitley needing to play in the outside backs, we have replaced them with Douglas and (Centre yet to be announced, rumoured to be Seve).

I will say a lot of our season is resting on the progression of Dagnall, Robertson, Whitby, Delaney and Stephens, but I’m not so quietly confident that Rowley will be a huge leap forwards next season. 

For starters, pace… we are really lacking in that department in the backs. 

But most importantly, the spine is also a critical issue that has not been resolved. Who’s the stand off to support Whitby? Sailor or Lomax are not the solution. Hooker… who replaces Clark when he’s injured? I am also very uncertain about Wingfield/Shorrocks at LF. So I think we will struggle to create and break the better teams down again like this year, regardless of Rowley’s improved tactics.  

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10 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said:

For starters, pace… we are really lacking in that department in the backs. 

But most importantly, the spine is also a critical issue that has not been resolved. Who’s the stand off to support Whitby? Sailor or Lomax are not the solution. Hooker… who replaces Clark when he’s injured? I am also very uncertain about Wingfield/Shorrocks at LF. So I think we will struggle to create and break the better teams down again like this year, regardless of Rowley’s improved tactics.  

Dagnall, Robertson and Murphy, Welsby and Sailor are all perfectly capable of playing a role in a rapid, pacey team. The problem last year is all too often the answer when those players were injured was Bennison, Whitley etc. Bennison has effectively been replaced by Douglas, who is a much pacier option on the wing, and if we do finish our recruitment with an NRL centre as I expect, we will be in a much stronger position to be less dependent on those players Wellens liked.

As for the spine, that was never going to be resolved by recruitment. The spine next year is some combination of Sailor Welsby and Whitby, and I don’t see how you can non-chalantly declare “that’s not Sailor isn’t the answer” given the only consistent run he got last year, he won player of the month, and then was immediately dropped by Wellens.

I also don’t think we are going to go with either Wingfield or Shorrocks as our starting 13.

You are acting like we are going to need the Australia national team to break down the teams that finished above us last season. The reality is we were 12-14 points away, and by adding more size to the pack, having a settled spine, and keeping pace in the backs, even when dealing with injuries is more than capable of bridging that gap. 

Anyway this isn’t recruitment so will leave that there.

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38 minutes ago, Magic Superbeetle said:

Dagnall, Robertson and Murphy, Welsby and Sailor are all perfectly capable of playing a role in a rapid, pacey team. The problem last year is all too often the answer when those players were injured was Bennison, Whitley etc. Bennison has effectively been replaced by Douglas, who is a much pacier option on the wing, and if we do finish our recruitment with an NRL centre as I expect, we will be in a much stronger position to be less dependent on those players Wellens liked.

As for the spine, that was never going to be resolved by recruitment. The spine next year is some combination of Sailor Welsby and Whitby, and I don’t see how you can non-chalantly declare “that’s not Sailor isn’t the answer” given the only consistent run he got last year, he won player of the month, and then was immediately dropped by Wellens.

I also don’t think we are going to go with either Wingfield or Shorrocks as our starting 13.

You are acting like we are going to need the Australia national team to break down the teams that finished above us last season. The reality is we were 12-14 points away, and by adding more size to the pack, having a settled spine, and keeping pace in the backs, even when dealing with injuries is more than capable of bridging that gap. 

Anyway this isn’t recruitment so will leave that there.

Saints new coach will make a massive difference IMO. Seeing as what he did at Salford over the years with far less capable squads than Saints, he could be a tremendous asset to the club. 

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8 hours ago, Magic Superbeetle said:

Dagnall, Robertson and Murphy, Welsby and Sailor are all perfectly capable of playing a role in a rapid, pacey team. The problem last year is all too often the answer when those players were injured was Bennison, Whitley etc. Bennison has effectively been replaced by Douglas, who is a much pacier option on the wing, and if we do finish our recruitment with an NRL centre as I expect, we will be in a much stronger position to be less dependent on those players Wellens liked.

As for the spine, that was never going to be resolved by recruitment. The spine next year is some combination of Sailor Welsby and Whitby, and I don’t see how you can non-chalantly declare “that’s not Sailor isn’t the answer” given the only consistent run he got last year, he won player of the month, and then was immediately dropped by Wellens.

I also don’t think we are going to go with either Wingfield or Shorrocks as our starting 13.

You are acting like we are going to need the Australia national team to break down the teams that finished above us last season. The reality is we were 12-14 points away, and by adding more size to the pack, having a settled spine, and keeping pace in the backs, even when dealing with injuries is more than capable of bridging that gap. 

Anyway this isn’t recruitment so will leave that there.

We’ll have to disagree…

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