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gingerjon

gingerjon

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7 hours ago, Worzel said:

Sure. It might be somewhere else that creates an even bigger noise, or still in Vegas. It will be somewhere as part of an event like this though. The genie isn’t going back into the bottle.

You think the NRL cares about a stand-alone WCC between its winner and the winner of a second-tier comp? Come on 

Which second tier comp are you talking about?

Is it the one whose presence has saved the Vegas experience for this year?

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)


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gingerjon
gingerjon

Shall I put in font size one million just so people understand nothing is happening at this time and whatever fantasy you have - similar to when 'the Hearns' are going to be the quick fix requiring no

gingerjon
gingerjon

It is always: “The NRL, who are perfect, will do the things that I personally want to happen and there will be no downsides because reasons.”

Dave T
Dave T

I think there are substantial risks. 1. Competence. Just because the NRL are a strong governing body in a territory where RL is very strong doesnt mean they would be successful in the UK. Despite

Szymala

Szymala

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10 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

It isn’t as strong a comp as the NRL, that is true, but in fairness, it does have strong clubs which could compete in the NRL week in week out, but the standard in SL really does fall off a cliff as you reach the bottom few clubs.

Despite that, I would still call it a first tier comp.

Name more than 1 club that could compete in the NRL.

hunsletgreenandgold

hunsletgreenandgold

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3 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Which second tier comp are you talking about?

Is it the one whose presence has saved the Vegas experience for this year?

Saved is a stretch - added to it yes. Savvy people those NRL bods. 

Sports Prophet

Sports Prophet

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6 hours ago, Anita Bath said:

So the entire southern hemisphere comes to a halt because australia might be in UK. I think that would confirm the suspicions many have of the NRL commitment to the international game. “its all about us”…there will be a pacific championship when it suits the NRL.

Are you seriously believing there will be no Pacific Cup because Kangas are in England?

gingerjon

gingerjon

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29 minutes ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:

Saved is a stretch - added to it yes. Savvy people those NRL bods. 

I think saved is fine. It would be a lot smaller this year without the Brits.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

redjonn

redjonn

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31 minutes ago, Szymala said:

Name more than 1 club that could compete in the NRL.

well the SL teams as they are at this moment in time would struggle but you said clubs.

You said clubs and a number of our top clubs could compete given the extra monies from their TV deals, etc etc and what participation in the NRL could offer then yep a number of clubs could...

Not that it logistically it would make any sense but theoretically and ignoring the geography a number of clubs are run well enough to compete over a period.   

Never-the-less it seems to me a nonsensical idea. 

gingerjon

gingerjon

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1 minute ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:

You'll have some numbers to support that i'd imagine? 

Going on what is available so far: 50k is the expected number, it's said 10-12k are Wire/Wigan. That means 38k aren't. 38k is lower than the 40k from last year.

If those numbers turn out to be wrong, I'll change that opinion but that's where we are so far.

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Worzel

Worzel

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4 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Which second tier comp are you talking about?

Is it the one whose presence has saved the Vegas experience for this year?

“saved” 🤣🤣🤣

Never had you down as a defensive nationalist 

corkonian77

corkonian77

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19 hours ago, Damien said:

V'landys on SL:

 

 

His comments  on Wales  seem massively  out of date. 

Football  is King there now.  Cardiff and Swansea. 

He formative years would have been in the 70s and 80s the glory years od Welsh Rugby League.  

 

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gingerjon

gingerjon

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Just now, Worzel said:

“saved” 🤣🤣🤣

Never had you down as a defensive nationalist 

Not remotely but without the Super League teams and fans this year, the Vegas event is not as shiny a diamond as last year. Still bright, still lovely, just not as bright, or as lovely.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

Worzel

Worzel

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7 hours ago, Anita Bath said:

So the entire southern hemisphere comes to a halt because australia might be in UK. I think that would confirm the suspicions many have of the NRL commitment to the international game. “its all about us”…there will be a pacific championship when it suits the NRL.

Yes, that’s right. 

“Commercial enterprise develops strategy in its own interest” is not a news story, any more than “dog bites man”

But if the NRL sees international league, including England, as being in its own self-interest then international league will be better off. V’Landys seems to see it that way, and it is a good thing. 

Question: When did the RFL last do anything to support international comps in the northern hemisphere, consistently and well-resourced?

Worzel

Worzel

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1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

Not remotely but without the Super League teams and fans this year, the Vegas event is not as shiny a diamond as last year. Still bright, still lovely, just not as bright, or as lovely.

Super League can add value to Vegas and still be a lower-level comp than the NRL. Those two facts are not in contradiction.

Sports Prophet

Sports Prophet

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34 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Going on what is available so far: 50k is the expected number, it's said 10-12k are Wire/Wigan. That means 38k aren't. 38k is lower than the 40k from last year.

If those numbers turn out to be wrong, I'll change that opinion but that's where we are so far.

Yep, spot on, we all know that no Brits attended last year.

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sam4731

sam4731

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It's ridiculous to suggest the SL is a second tier comp. I think most people would agree that there wouldn't be an awful lot between England and Australia internationally on paper and the game is a sort of proxy between SL XI and NRL XI. Yes I know some England players are drawn from the NRL but on the whole, it's a pretty good representation.

If people do want to argue that there is a chasm between England and Australia internationally, I guess we'll find out later in the year but I'm not sure that even the most die hard NRL enthusiast would be putting everything on an Australian whitewash.

Gerrumonside ref

Gerrumonside ref

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There’s a perception in Australia that Super League is inferior.

Whether it’s the reality or not is almost secondary.

The only way that reputation will change is by playing each other more and the SL clubs proving their worth.

 

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WN83

WN83

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56 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Not remotely but without the Super League teams and fans this year, the Vegas event is not as shiny a diamond as last year. Still bright, still lovely, just not as bright, or as lovely.

Obviously it's not saved it but it's certainly helped it grow and without the British fans, then it's no bigger than last year really (in crowd terms anyway). That's no bad thing, it's an amazing event and isn't just about numbers in the stadium.

Hopefully we're part of it for years to come. That will need to be arranged via club owners/managers though I'd imagine because the top brass at Superleague/The RFL seem to have very little involvement (or motivation) in our clubs being involved in big events. Wigan have played in a WCC and will play in Vegas now, in the last 12 months and all because one bloke put it on his back to make it happen. Oh how we could do with our own version of Peter V'Landys. 

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gingerjon

gingerjon

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29 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

There’s a perception in Australia that Super League is inferior.

Whether it’s the reality or not is almost secondary.

The only way that reputation will change is by playing each other more and the SL clubs proving their worth.

 

It didn’t change when we played each other more and the SL teams won. Why would it change in the future by doing the same?

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

Tommygilf

Tommygilf

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32 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

There’s a perception in Australia that Super League is inferior.

Whether it’s the reality or not is almost secondary.

The only way that reputation will change is by playing each other more and the SL clubs proving their worth.

 

I don't think "playing eachother" necessarily is true that it will help. British clubs have a superb record in the WCC and it hasn't changed perceptions.

Essentially it needs SL to have more money and poaching the best NRL players in their prime to make that change happen imo. Currently we're a bit of a home for those not good enough in the NRL - a bit like MLS vs the Premier League.

I do think that being exposed in the flesh to the popularity of our clubs does have massive value though. I can't help but think the NRL will take notice of the travelling Wigan and Wire hype in Vegas - us looking like equals not the poor relations.

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Gerrumonside ref

Gerrumonside ref

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49 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

I don't think "playing eachother" necessarily is true that it will help. British clubs have a superb record in the WCC and it hasn't changed perceptions.

Essentially it needs SL to have more money and poaching the best NRL players in their prime to make that change happen imo. Currently we're a bit of a home for those not good enough in the NRL - a bit like MLS vs the Premier League.

I do think that being exposed in the flesh to the popularity of our clubs does have massive value though. I can't help but think the NRL will take notice of the travelling Wigan and Wire hype in Vegas - us looking like equals not the poor relations.

Yes; one off games won’t shift the dial but a club competition might.

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Gerrumonside ref

Gerrumonside ref

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58 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

It didn’t change when we played each other more and the SL teams won. Why would it change in the future by doing the same?

A proper club competition might help I think

Tommygilf

Tommygilf

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16 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

Yes; one off games won’t shift the dial but a club competition might.

I agree, but I don't know where that fits in. I do also worry the opposite of the intended result is possible.

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