Sun 9th Mar: SL: Warrington Wolves v Wakefield Trinity KO 13:00 (SS+/SL+)

[north yorks trinity]

That is a very pleasant surprise. Listened on the radio and hard to know if Wakey were very good or Wire very poor. Admittedly it's hard to tell live sometimes too! Phil Veivers on radio Leeds gave Wakey a 9.5/10 which seems way too high for me given the number of errors made, especially first half, but it sounded like the pack monstered Warrington's supposedly superior pack and that we weren't afraid to take risks.

Also sounded that we got the rough end of some 50:50s earlier on but instead of having to console ourselves that somehow they might even out over the course of the season, they seemed to possibly even out over the course of the game! As I said, I wasn't watching so does anyone who was think that is fair comment.

[north yorks trinity]

Also good to see the forum members in the poll were much more knowledgeable than the bookies for once.

(I voted for a Wire win !!!)

[WakefieldCityLoyal]

Up the Trin ️

[Dave T]

Even in the first half when we had more ball, territory and completions were higher we still had far more missed tackles. Not even referring to structures, just out and out falling off basic tackles time and again.

[Wilderspoolmemories]

Well that was awful. 

Even when we've won this year we haven't looked good. Last week was bad and this week even worse. There was a opportunity to bounce back and those players didn't have the stomach to take the chance. I don't accept injuries as an excuse as all teams have injuries. If we are totally weakened by losing 3 players then there's something wrong. 

Our pack isn't big enough and gets bullied every week. Burgess said he wasn't bothered about size in his forwards providing they were mobile. Well if that pack is mobile, we are in trouble. What we need is a front row which contains a modern day Les Boyd, Kevin Tamati, Adrian Morley, Gareth Carvell or two. A pack that is dominated every week like we are will more than likely lose every week. 

We need someone in the halves to take some of the workload off Williams as well. There's no confusion for the opposition late in the tackle count when we have the ball, it's going to Williams. Cut down his options and you cut down Warrington's options. 

Wakefield were fairly good and played with effort and commitment. They didn't have to be brilliant, their opponents had no effort or commitment. If every Warrington player hand on heart can say 'i did my best' then we can get ready for the championship next season. I've  already given up any ideas about Wembley or old Trafford......we simply aren't good enough. 

We need an overhaul ( again) starting at the top. Fitzpatrick is an ex player and has no business background. We need a business minded chief exec who knows that success is built on hard work from top to bottom, not on gimmicks and smiling faces as people board the plane ready to be humiliated in America. 

There are no positives to take, unless you count the upcoming return of wireflyer( the man in the green suit who races fans at half time), or a pre match pint offer of £5 a go. It's that bad!

Warrington, for a supposedly wealthy and well run club you are very quickly( once again) becoming the joke team of SL. 

Widnes may well dump us out of the cup next week if we play like we did today. That might be a blessing in disguise, someone at the top might realise that the more you paper over a crack, the bigger that crack can become. 

The players got rid of Powell, but he had the last laugh today. He got castleford working hard and playing well and he's doing the same at Wakefield, so I don't think he was the problem at Warrington.

[Dave T]

5 minutes ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:

Well that was awful. 

Even when we've won this year we haven't looked good. Last week was bad and this week even worse. There was a opportunity to bounce back and those players didn't have the stomach to take the chance. I don't accept injuries as an excuse as all teams have injuries. If we are totally weakened by losing 3 players then there's something wrong. 

Our pack isn't big enough and gets bullied every week. Burgess said he wasn't bothered about size in his forwards providing they were mobile. Well if that pack is mobile, we are in trouble. What we need is a front row which contains a modern day Les Boyd, Kevin Tamati, Adrian Morley, Gareth Carvell or two. A pack that is dominated every week like we are will more than likely lose every week. 

We need someone in the halves to take some of the workload off Williams as well. There's no confusion for the opposition late in the tackle count when we have the ball, it's going to Williams. Cut down his options and you cut down Warrington's options. 

Wakefield were fairly good and played with effort and commitment. They didn't have to be brilliant, their opponents had no effort or commitment. If every Warrington player hand on heart can say 'i did my best' then we can get ready for the championship next season. I've  already given up any ideas about Wembley or old Trafford......we simply aren't good enough. 

We need an overhaul ( again) starting at the top. Fitzpatrick is an ex player and has no business background. We need a business minded chief exec who knows that success is built on hard work from top to bottom, not on gimmicks and smiling faces as people board the plane ready to be humiliated in America. 

There are no positives to take, unless you count the upcoming return of wireflyer( the man in the green suit who races fans at half time), or a pre match pint offer of £5 a go. It's that bad!

Warrington, for a supposedly wealthy and well run club you are very quickly( once again) becoming the joke team of SL. 

Widnes may well dump us out of the cup next week if we play like we did today. That might be a blessing in disguise, someone at the top might realise that the more you paper over a crack, the bigger that crack can become. 

The players got rid of Powell, but he had the last laugh today. He got castleford working hard and playing well and he's doing the same at Wakefield, so I don't think he was the problem at Warrington.

Powell clearly was the problem at Wire.

We were good before him, we were good after him. We were rubbish with him.

[dboy]

4 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Powell clearly was the problem at Wire.

We were good before him, we were good after him. We were rubbish with him.

You were rubbish with him, but were you rubbish BECAUSE of him??

[Forever Trinity]

7 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Powell clearly was the problem at Wire.

We were good before him, we were good after him. We were rubbish with him.

Too many egos Powell not backed by your board too many players think they are better than they are

[Dave T]

6 minutes ago, dboy said:

You were rubbish with him, but were you rubbish BECAUSE of him??

The evidence is pretty conclusive. It certainly doesn't mean he's a bad coach, it means it didn't work with him at Wire.

[Dave T]

5 minutes ago, Forever Trinity said:

Too many egos Powell not backed by your board too many players think they are better than they are

Nonsense. He was absolutely backed by the board.

Edited March 9 by Dave T

[Agbrigg]

17 minutes ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:

Well that was awful. 

Even when we've won this year we haven't looked good. Last week was bad and this week even worse. There was a opportunity to bounce back and those players didn't have the stomach to take the chance. I don't accept injuries as an excuse as all teams have injuries. If we are totally weakened by losing 3 players then there's something wrong. 

Our pack isn't big enough and gets bullied every week. Burgess said he wasn't bothered about size in his forwards providing they were mobile. Well if that pack is mobile, we are in trouble. What we need is a front row which contains a modern day Les Boyd, Kevin Tamati, Adrian Morley, Gareth Carvell or two. A pack that is dominated every week like we are will more than likely lose every week. 

We need someone in the halves to take some of the workload off Williams as well. There's no confusion for the opposition late in the tackle count when we have the ball, it's going to Williams. Cut down his options and you cut down Warrington's options. 

Wakefield were fairly good and played with effort and commitment. They didn't have to be brilliant, their opponents had no effort or commitment. If every Warrington player hand on heart can say 'i did my best' then we can get ready for the championship next season. I've  already given up any ideas about Wembley or old Trafford......we simply aren't good enough. 

We need an overhaul ( again) starting at the top. Fitzpatrick is an ex player and has no business background. We need a business minded chief exec who knows that success is built on hard work from top to bottom, not on gimmicks and smiling faces as people board the plane ready to be humiliated in America. 

There are no positives to take, unless you count the upcoming return of wireflyer( the man in the green suit who races fans at half time), or a pre match pint offer of £5 a go. It's that bad!

Warrington, for a supposedly wealthy and well run club you are very quickly( once again) becoming the joke team of SL. 

Widnes may well dump us out of the cup next week if we play like we did today. That might be a blessing in disguise, someone at the top might realise that the more you paper over a crack, the bigger that crack can become. 

The players got rid of Powell, but he had the last laugh today. He got castleford working hard and playing well and he's doing the same at Wakefield, so I don't think he was the problem at Warrington.

Actually Wakey had more players missing than wire and at least 5 of them  would definitely have been selected in the 17 today. 

[The Mighty Trin]

13 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Powell clearly was the problem at Wire.

We were good before him, we were good after him. We were rubbish with him.

Agree with Wilderspoolmemories Wire Players didn't want to perform under Powell it was clear to see, great intelligent coach and I'm glad for his sake and for ours he's turned it around with us. He was excellent at Castleford and like I said great he's been given the opportunity to showcase what an great coach he is. 

Great result for Trinity today, commiserations to our friends from Warrington I'm sure you will bounce back  

[Dave T]

Just now, The Mighty Trin said:

Agree with Wilderspoolmemories Wire Players didn't want to perform under Powell it was clear to see, great intelligent coach and I'm glad for his sake and for ours he's turned it around with us. He was excellent at Castleford and like I said great he's been given the opportunity to showcase what an great coach he is. 

Great result for Trinity today, commiserations to our friends from Warrington I'm sure you will bounce back  

Powell treated a lot of players badly and got obsessed with changing the culture. He managed to change us from a 3rd place team to an 11th place one, so you could argue he did meet the brief.

[Dave T]

And I should add, I was very happy when we signed Powell, and I'm very happy to see him doing well now, I think he's a very good coach, but he absolutely screwed things up at Wire.

[Trojan Horse]

8 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

Actually Wakey had more players missing than wire and at least 5 of them  would definitely have been selected in the 17 today. 

True, Rodwell, Scott, Pitts, Nikotemo and Griffin missing. Though I don’t think Griffin would get in the way Vagana, Croft and Storton have played in the 2nd row. 

[Agbrigg]

Just now, Trojan Horse said:

True, Rodwell, Scott, Pitts, Nikotemo and Griffin missing. Though I don’t think Griffin would get in the way Vagana, Croft and Storton have played in the 2nd row. 

you have picked 4, but missed tommy Doyle who would definitely have replaced Harvey Smith. Griffin would not get in

[Forever Trinity]

12 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Nonsense. He was absolutely backed by the board.

No it's not your players wouldn't  play for Powell after winning nine on the bounce remember that do you. After that behind the scenes it broke down your board backed the players not the coach.

[Dave T]

Just now, Forever Trinity said:

No it's not your players wouldn't  play for Powell after winning nine on the bounce remember that do you. After that behind the scenes it broke down your board backed the players not the coach.

How on earth did they win those games when they didn't want to play for him?

[Wilderspoolmemories]

26 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Powell clearly was the problem at Wire.

We were good before him, we were good after him. We were rubbish with him.

From what I heard he upped the training session requirements and players who were used to being at home by lunchtime or out playing golf or working on their own businessess didn't like it. If he is the problem then how come he wasn't the problem at cas and doesn't appear to be the problem at Wakefield?  

 

[Dave T]

1 minute ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:

From what I heard he upped the training session requirements and players who were used to being at home by lunchtime or out playing golf or working on their own businessess didn't like it. If he is the problem then how come he wasn't the problem at cas and doesn't appear to be the problem at Wakefield?  

 

Are we really suggesting that Powell is the only coach that works players hard?

I'd suggest it's extremely basic analysis, the sort that is usually saved for chat in the pub over a few pints.

When a team loses, it's easy to just put it down to players being lazy slackers. 

[Forever Trinity]

14 minutes ago, Dave T said:

How on earth did they win those games when they didn't want to play for him?

You lost a load of games after the 9 wins then it went pear shaped

[Padge]

Warrington, it seems, need a bit of a clearout of some players who think they are 'special'.

There seems to be a man management issue, as well as performance issues.

[Wilderspoolmemories]

8 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Are we really suggesting that Powell is the only coach that works players hard?

I'd suggest it's extremely basic analysis, the sort that is usually saved for chat in the pub over a few pints.

When a team loses, it's easy to just put it down to players being lazy slackers. 

I'm not saying only Powell works players hard Dave. But he wanted to work the wire players harder than they were prepared to be worked and for longer than they liked. He tried to change the structure of the training sessions I heard which caused many arguments with players who were maybe to set in their ways and in a comfort zone? 'I can't train this afternoon, I said I'd take the wife out!' was one  reply I heard he received when he tried to extend a session! His reply was something along the lines that they were well paid and should make themselves available for the full day if required. I don't think that's an unreasonable request? But some didn't like his new regime and that's when the problems started. 

Burgess has said today at the post match press conference that some of those players need to have a look at themselves. Are the same old problems starting to resurface? 

[Wilderspoolmemories]

6 minutes ago, Padge said:

Warrington, it seems, need a bit of a clearout of some players who think they are 'special'.

There seems to be a man management issue, as well as performance issues.

Same old, same old. 

[Dave T]

4 minutes ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:

I'm not saying only Powell works players hard Dave. But he wanted to work the wire players harder than they were prepared to be worked and for longer than they liked. He tried to change the structure of the training sessions I heard which caused many arguments with players who were maybe to set in their ways and in a comfort zone? 'I can't train this afternoon, I said I'd take the wife out!' was one  reply I heard he received when he tried to extend a session! His reply was something along the lines that they were well paid and should make themselves available for the full day if required. I don't think that's an unreasonable request? But some didn't like his new regime and that's when the problems started. 

Burgess has said today at the post match press conference that some of those players need to have a look at themselves. Are the same old problems starting to resurface? 

The problem is there are too many inconsistencies with many of these claims.

I don't think hard work was ever an issue under Price. We regularly finished near the top, Made finals, won one lost a few. But people got frustrated that we didn't win at Old Trafford and blamed culture and lack of effort. 

Nobody blamed lack of effort and culture last year, but now after four games with the same squad and manager we are moving back to that space.