Sun 9th Mar: SL: Warrington Wolves v Wakefield Trinity KO 13:00 (SS+/SL+)

[Agbrigg]

22 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

Did the Wakefield fans underestimate their side? Very few made the trip over on a sunny day.

I think you're right that a few people have taken Wakefield lightly. I expected a tough game.

Cant speak for others, I didnt make it 1pm KO caused me an issue, if it had been 3pm,would have definitely gone over

[Leeds Wire]

3 hours ago, Dave T said:

Even in the first half when we had more ball, territory and completions were higher we still had far more missed tackles. Not even referring to structures, just out and out falling off basic tackles time and again.

Sat in the north stand today, I said to my son "We're not even doing the very basic stuff right".

By the end, I thought the players lacked aggression and intensity. We've not played well in any of the first 4 games and it's a worry. Lots of injuries piling up too, not just to squad players but to key men. It seems the injury to Yates might be a bad one too. 

I have to say well done to Trinity and their smashing fans on here; a brilliant performance across the field for 80 minutes. Your newly promoted team taught the so-called 2nd favourites a lesson today.

[Wellsy4HullFC]

Second season syndrome for Sam?

[graveyard johnny]

43 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

Did the Wakefield fans underestimate their side? Very few made the trip over on a sunny day.

I think you're right that a few people have taken Wakefield lightly. I expected a tough game.

Leeds utd were playing on tv  at the same time and a lot of wakey fans also like to watch them - so prob watched 1st half of leeds game then flicked around on tv for both games 

[Wollo Wollo Wayoo]

43 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

Did the Wakefield fans underestimate their side? Very few made the trip over on a sunny day.

Some of last season's bandwagon jumpers were shaken off by that performance against Saints. 

Should be back on board for next week's trip to Shudds in t'cup.

[Dave T]

If I'm gonna look at the match focusing solely on Wire, I do think our poor performance is just a bit simpler to understand.

We had 4 of our first 7 backs ruled out injured. Dufty, Ashton, King are three of our big names in the backs, and we still haven't found a half to support Williams with our first choice injured.  Then we see Yates injured early doors, and I must admit I don't know what happened with Lindop following his head knock, did he return?

Every team gets injuries throughout the year and you have to find a way to win and Wakey had their problems too so that's just life, but I do think it adds a different narrative to blaming poor culture.

The real worry for me is that once again we have a player missing 9 tackles in one game. And again it's a younger lad. But outside of him we have a handful that miss 3 or 4 a game when Wakey missed only 18 to our 40. 

There is a back to basics approach here that's needed. But we don't need to knee-jerk. It's no surprise that removing Dufty, Ashton and King sees us weaker.

[Agbrigg]

53 minutes ago, Wollo Wollo Wayoo said:

Some of last season's bandwagon jumpers were shaken off by that performance against Saints. 

Should be back on board for next week's trip to Shudds in t'cup.

I think we will out number the Hudds fans next week, mind you that wont be hard

[Wilderspoolmemories]

13 hours ago, dboy said:

Powell is completely open that he was brought in by Wire to "clean house" and change the culture.

That was what he was tasked to do, but player-power won out in the end.

At a Wakey fans' forum he was absolutely clear that he would never take on such a task again. He says that was his biggest mistake at Wire.

He was brought in by the board to restructure everything, and was then ridiculed by some fans when it didn't work out. But it didn't work because the players didn't buy into it. Not long term anyway. 

Having said that, he does seem to do better at clubs where expectation isn't as high. He's done a fine job at cas and is doing well at wakey but he didn't do that great at Leeds if I remember correctly and we've said all we need to say about his time at Warrington. Player power plays it's part but I wonder if he also feels a pressure at the so called bigger clubs ( I don't regard the wire as a big club anymore,  they fail on the big stage to many times!) that h finds difficult to handle?

[Wilderspoolmemories]

11 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Second season syndrome for Sam?

It could well be, but I believe the problems start higher up the pecking order than him. 

[Wilderspoolmemories]

12 hours ago, dboy said:

Very few??

Maybe 500? 

Yeah there should always be more.

Don't forget - we are Wakey - the new boys - unfashionable, we know our place.

I think Wakey fans travel in hope, rather than expectation.

Maybe this will change

I think they will do okay and finish around the mid table point. With the spirit they appear to have, barring a ruck of long term injuries no way will they be relegated. That fate appears set to fall on Salford, hudds or cas, or maybe even us if we don't start shaping ourselves! 

[Wilderspoolmemories]

14 hours ago, The Mighty Trin said:

Agree with Wilderspoolmemories Wire Players didn't want to perform under Powell it was clear to see, great intelligent coach and I'm glad for his sake and for ours he's turned it around with us. He was excellent at Castleford and like I said great he's been given the opportunity to showcase what an great coach he is. 

Great result for Trinity today, commiserations to our friends from Warrington I'm sure you will bounce back  

I well remember his last game in charge of wire. A 42-6 defeat away at bottom of the table wakey who were heading for relegation. I could never prove this, but as I drove back over the Pennines in my car that day I was pretty certain that the Warrington players had 'done a job' on Powell  and put the final nail in his coffin as wire head coach. 

I thought correctly.

[Dave T]

18 minutes ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:

I well remember his last game in charge of wire. A 42-6 defeat away at bottom of the table wakey who were heading for relegation. I could never prove this, but as I drove back over the Pennines in my car that day I was pretty certain that the Warrington players had 'done a job' on Powell  and put the final nail in his coffin as wire head coach. 

I thought correctly.

This is really how many coaches lose their jobs. It's pretty rare that a good performance is followed by a sacking.

[Dave T]

34 minutes ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:

He was brought in by the board to restructure everything, and was then ridiculed by some fans when it didn't work out. But it didn't work because the players didn't buy into it. Not long term anyway. 

Having said that, he does seem to do better at clubs where expectation isn't as high. He's done a fine job at cas and is doing well at wakey but he didn't do that great at Leeds if I remember correctly and we've said all we need to say about his time at Warrington. Player power plays it's part but I wonder if he also feels a pressure at the so called bigger clubs ( I don't regard the wire as a big club anymore,  they fail on the big stage to many times!) that h finds difficult to handle?

On the first part i agree, he was brought in to fix the culture, which for me was a really weird thing, and for a club that generally had the issue of losing in semis and finals, the root cause does not feel like it's a lack of hard work.

I think the club made a mistake in setting the brief of changing the culture, however even with that brief it doesn't mean that Powell gets a free pass and can't be criticised for what he did at Wire.

If I was trying to fix issues that saw us lose key games after finishing very well in the table, I wouldn't be taking the stance that they don't put the graft in aggressively offloading leaders like Hill, Cooper and Charnley who have showed at their new clubs they had life in them.

There is a thing at Warrington where many fans have a bit of a spoilt attitude and they are very very quick to jump on the team and accuse them of a lack of effort. The Warrington fan rumour mill is very keen to spread rumours of bad behaviour and drama - which is natural when it isn't covered by winning titles. I don't think the owners were maybe guilty of buying into this rotten culture piece which was at odds with the results on the pitch.  I wasn't a Steve Price fan, but I find the narrative about the club under him way off.

Fast forward to now, we may not have been great in those first couple of games, but imo there can be no claims around lack of effort. They faced two hard working teams and put their bodies on the line. They grafted for the wins when their attacking skills were misfiring.

This is just RL.

[muckymunksy]

Decent win for Waki against Wire reserves. 

[dboy]

Troll.

[ELBOWSEYE]

2 hours ago, Dave T said:

On the first part i agree, he was brought in to fix the culture, which for me was a really weird thing, and for a club that generally had the issue of losing in semis and finals, the root cause does not feel like it's a lack of hard work.

I think the club made a mistake in setting the brief of changing the culture, however even with that brief it doesn't mean that Powell gets a free pass and can't be criticised for what he did at Wire.

If I was trying to fix issues that saw us lose key games after finishing very well in the table, I wouldn't be taking the stance that they don't put the graft in aggressively offloading leaders like Hill, Cooper and Charnley who have showed at their new clubs they had life in them.

There is a thing at Warrington where many fans have a bit of a spoilt attitude and they are very very quick to jump on the team and accuse them of a lack of effort. The Warrington fan rumour mill is very keen to spread rumours of bad behaviour and drama - which is natural when it isn't covered by winning titles. I don't think the owners were maybe guilty of buying into this rotten culture piece which was at odds with the results on the pitch.  I wasn't a Steve Price fan, but I find the narrative about the club under him way off.

Fast forward to now, we may not have been great in those first couple of games, but imo there can be no claims around lack of effort. They faced two hard working teams and put their bodies on the line. They grafted for the wins when their attacking skills were misfiring.

This is just RL.

You will get a bad name talking common sense on this forum.

[ELBOWSEYE]

40 minutes ago, dboy said:

Troll.

You only play what's in front of you, and wakey did a job, I also think Wakefield weren't far from four wins.

[Wilderspoolmemories]

2 hours ago, Dave T said:

This is really how many coaches lose their jobs. It's pretty rare that a good performance is followed by a sacking.

That wasn't a poor performance though was it. It was a deliberately staged performance to get rid of him, it was clear to see on the day for those who were there! 

[PREPOSTEROUS]

14 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

You only play what's in front of you, and wakey did a job, I also think Wakefield weren't far from four wins.

Fundamentally Wire were missing players, but so were Trinity although it's never really talked about, presumably because not many would know that we are, unless it was Johnstone, Trueman or McMeekan missing.

[Wilderspoolmemories]

16 hours ago, dboy said:

The problem wasn't the players he got rid of - it was the players who remained who got rid of him.

Can we get back to the thread - Wakey deservedly won today.

Well done Wakey.

I congratulate wakey on a good win. That doesn't gloss over my concerns regarding Warrington though. It seems that we are far from the 'big club ' we perceive ourselves to be. If we  were to play cas or Salford who are both struggling a bit, next week then I honestly think they would beat us. 

But well done Wakefield who were the better team on the day by a country mile.

[Trojan Horse]

Very pleased with the trinity performance but feel there is more to come too if we tidy a few things up. 
 

What a player Mckmeeken is. He’s putting in 80 minute shifts in the middle and he’s doing some high quality work. You can see why he’s a current England international. 
 

Big shout out for Storton too. Been incredibly consistent for Trinity and if he carries on I wouldn’t bet against him being in the England squad end of season too (there’s a long time to go though obviously). KR dropped a real ball on that one.

The team as a whole though are clearly working hard. They look well drilled, fitter than I’ve seen a trinity team in many years and are clearly buying into what the new owner is trying to achieve.  

[Widiot]

Widnes will beat Warrington on Saturday. 

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, PREPOSTEROUS said:

Fundamentally Wire were missing players, but so were Trinity although it's never really talked about, presumably because not many would know that we are, unless it was Johnstone, Trueman or McMeekan missing.

I do believe that is always the case with the media and commentary teams, top fashionable teams seemingly are the only ones who suffer injuries to players that results in the the team being understrength, as you say it rarely gets a mention if the club is not one of the fashionable ones.

[SUPERSTUD]

21 hours ago, Dave T said:

Powell clearly was the problem at Wire.

We were good before him, we were good after him. We were rubbish with him.

Nah the problem was certain players who’d had their own way for too long. DP was initially brought in to amongst other things improve the standards and change the culture amongst the playing staff at the club. Player power eventually kicked in with individuals crying to Fitzy. The club buckled and failed to back DP. DP was handsomely paid up on the rest of his five year contract and the rest is history. DP home happy and doing ok. Wire are just the same unpredictable Wire. 

[SUPERSTUD]

20 hours ago, Wilderspoolmemories said:

From what I heard he upped the training session requirements and players who were used to being at home by lunchtime or out playing golf or working on their own businessess didn't like it. If he is the problem then how come he wasn't the problem at cas and doesn't appear to be the problem at Wakefield?  

 

Spot on.