Stopping the clock after a try

[north yorks trinity]

One of the most exciting parts of the Wakey Wigan game yesterday (no, seriously ) was watching the clock tick down for almost a minute after Wigan's last try. I presumed it would be stopped as soon as a conversion was declined but I guess I presumed wrongly. Is there a set amount of time the clock has to run or was it just that Wigan took a long time deciding not to take the kick?

[bobbruce]

4 minutes ago, north yorks trinity said:

One of the most exciting parts of the Wakey Wigan game yesterday (no, seriously ) was watching the clock tick down for almost a minute after Wigan's last try. I presumed it would be stopped as soon as a conversion was declined but I guess I presumed wrongly. Is there a set amount of time the clock has to run or was it just that Wigan took a long time deciding not to take the kick?

I think the clock is allowed to run for 1 minute before it is stopped. At least it is when players are taking a conversion. 

[north yorks trinity]

46 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

I think the clock is allowed to run for 1 minute before it is stopped. At least it is when players are taking a conversion. 

I just wondered if it is different if a kick is declined. Otherwise is there any benefit in declining the kick?

[Chrispmartha]

1 hour ago, north yorks trinity said:

I just wondered if it is different if a kick is declined. Otherwise is there any benefit in declining the kick?

Seems daft declining the kick, just take a quick drop goal attempt then the clock would stop afterwards. Thats of you can do a DG for a conversion? Im sure ive seen it done in the past?

Edited June 21 by Chrispmartha

[The Blues Ox]

You would think once a kick is turned down then you move to kick off protocol which would see the clock stopped in the last part of the game after a kick.

[The Blues Ox]

1 hour ago, Chrispmartha said:

Seems daft declining the kick, just take a quick drop goal attempt then the clock would stop afterwards. Thats of you can do a DG for a conversion? Im sure ive seen it done in the past?

I wonder too. I asked a similar question to an official a couple of weeks back to see if you could still place kick or drop kick for touch and was told it now has to be out of hands only. I don't know if the rules have been updated as its still in the rule book.

[sam4731]

More to the point, I thought that the clock was meant to stop for any break in play in the last 5 minutes of a match. Surely I've not just made that up.

[Griff]

6 hours ago, Chrispmartha said:

Seems daft declining the kick, just take a quick drop goal attempt then the clock would stop afterwards. Thats of you can do a DG for a conversion? Im sure ive seen it done in the past?

Yes, you've been able to drop kick a conversion for about eight years now. Can't remember exactly when it changed.

[Sports Prophet]

I am of the opinion the clock should stop immediately after any points have been confirmed as scored and should remain that way until play has restarted.

[Griff]

43 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

I am of the opinion the clock should stop immediately after any points have been confirmed as scored and should remain that way until play has restarted.

Why's that?

[Sports Prophet]

3 minutes ago, Griff said:

Why's that?

I think it is fundamentally against what a sporting contest is all about.

Why any sport would consider it appropriate for the clock to run when the ball, puck or whatever is not in play is beyond me.

[north yorks trinity]

4 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

I think it is fundamentally against what a sporting contest is all about.

Why any sport would consider it appropriate for the clock to run when the ball, puck or whatever is not in play is beyond me.

Exactly. The ability to compete is removed yet the contest continues.

[sam4731]

1 hour ago, north yorks trinity said:

Exactly. The ability to compete is removed yet the contest continues.

Slightly off topic but they analysed a load of premier league football matches a few years back and they discovered that the average game had the ball in play for about an hour. So an idea was proposed to reduce a match down to 60 minutes with the clock stopped every time the ball was dead.

Seems a no brainer to me. Eliminate time wasting instantly.

[north yorks trinity]

8 hours ago, sam4731 said:

Slightly off topic but they analysed a load of premier league football matches a few years back and they discovered that the average game had the ball in play for about an hour. So an idea was proposed to reduce a match down to 60 minutes with the clock stopped every time the ball was dead.

Seems a no brainer to me. Eliminate time wasting instantly.

I believe ice hockey and American football matches have exactly 60 minutes of active action. Would work well in RL too IMO but would lead to slightly longer games as I recall a stat from several years ago that the ball is in play an average of (I think) 55 minutes in RL compared to 30 in RU and 60 in football. 

[Griff]

39 minutes ago, north yorks trinity said:

I believe ice hockey and American football matches have exactly 60 minutes of active action. Would work well in RL too IMO but would lead to slightly longer games as I recall a stat from several years ago that the ball is in play an average of (I think) 55 minutes in RL compared to 30 in RU and 60 in football. 

No, you're just wrong there. Which is why it's common to see American football teams in the lead at the end of games stand around, winding the clock down, centre snaps the ball, quarter back kneels down, repeat as necessary. The clock isn't always stopped when a tackle is made.

[Griff]

8 hours ago, sam4731 said:

Slightly off topic but they analysed a load of premier league football matches a few years back and they discovered that the average game had the ball in play for about an hour. So an idea was proposed to reduce a match down to 60 minutes with the clock stopped every time the ball was dead.

Seems a no brainer to me. Eliminate time wasting instantly.

Harry would miss his bus.

[gingerjon]

1 hour ago, Griff said:

No, you're just wrong there. Which is why it's common to see American football teams in the lead at the end of games stand around, winding the clock down, centre snaps the ball, quarter back kneels down, repeat as necessary. The clock isn't always stopped when a tackle is made.

Ice hockey stops the clock with every stop in play. American football has a mix and match approach but, you're right, running the clock down is definitely a thing. Basketball stops the clock so much that the final two minutes can, in big games that are close, take about an hour to play out. Baseball doesn't have a clock but did recently introduce a pitch clock to speed up play (which has worked).

There. Covered them all.

[johnh1]

3 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Ice hockey stops the clock with every stop in play. American football has a mix and match approach but, you're right, running the clock down is definitely a thing. Basketball stops the clock so much that the final two minutes can, in big games that are close, take about an hour to play out. Baseball doesn't have a clock but did recently introduce a pitch clock to speed up play (which has worked).

There. Covered them all.

Cricket?

[gingerjon]

2 minutes ago, johnh1 said:

Cricket?

I was just doing the American big four but white ball cricket does now, a positive innovation from the Hundred, have penalties for slow play from the fielding side.

[Damien]

5 hours ago, Griff said:

No, you're just wrong there. Which is why it's common to see American football teams in the lead at the end of games stand around, winding the clock down, centre snaps the ball, quarter back kneels down, repeat as necessary. The clock isn't always stopped when a tackle is made.

Indeed. Not really that familiar with the other American sport but in American Football time management is an art form and an essential part of the game. 

It often dictates what plays you run and when and even whether you stay in the field of play, to keep the clock going, or not. Similarly how you use your timeouts too as well as the other more blatant stuff you cite.

[dkw]

5 hours ago, Griff said:

No, you're just wrong there. Which is why it's common to see American football teams in the lead at the end of games stand around, winding the clock down, centre snaps the ball, quarter back kneels down, repeat as necessary. The clock isn't always stopped when a tackle is made.

The clock stops on an out of bounds play in the last 2 minutes of the 2nd quarter and last 2 minutes of the 4th quarter. I think, might even be more in the 4th quarter.

[north yorks trinity]

7 hours ago, Griff said:

No, you're just wrong there. Which is why it's common to see American football teams in the lead at the end of games stand around, winding the clock down, centre snaps the ball, quarter back kneels down, repeat as necessary. The clock isn't always stopped when a tackle is made.

OK I stand corrected, never having watched a game of American football. 

[Father Gascoigne]

17 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

I think it is fundamentally against what a sporting contest is all about.

Why any sport would consider it appropriate for the clock to run when the ball, puck or whatever is not in play is beyond me.

17 hours ago, north yorks trinity said:

Exactly. The ability to compete is removed yet the contest continues.

It probably stems from tradition dating to when the English sports were codified, but whatever the true reason, I'm glad that when I sit down to watch a game of rugby league it's over in 90 minutes, and it never deviates from that. I'm guessing that's partly the reason: there is very little deviation in length from one game to another. 

Meanwhile there are baseball games that end after two hours while others can go for three and a half. 

7 hours ago, Griff said:

No, you're just wrong there. Which is why it's common to see American football teams in the lead at the end of games stand around, winding the clock down, centre snaps the ball, quarter back kneels down, repeat as necessary. The clock isn't always stopped when a tackle is made.

NFL games would never end if they stopped after every play. It's a godsend that the clock runs down when they're still inbounds. 

Edited June 22 by Father Gascoigne

[Griff]

10 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Ice hockey stops the clock with every stop in play. American football has a mix and match approach but, you're right, running the clock down is definitely a thing. Basketball stops the clock so much that the final two minutes can, in big games that are close, take about an hour to play out. Baseball doesn't have a clock but did recently introduce a pitch clock to speed up play (which has worked).

There. Covered them all.

What about Harry's bus?

More seriously, the games would massively overrun, which would be disastrous for Sky or the BBC.  We don't have the clout of American football.

[Worzel]

11 hours ago, Griff said:

Harry would miss his bus.

He could get the train instead though.

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