JWH sent into retirement by the RFL

[Dunbar]

Just now, Worzel said:

Yes, but some times justified and this is one of them. Some people are dancing on the head of a pin around tiny phrases in the minutes, in a desperate search to prove that JWH did commit a foul after all if only someone had correctly listened to a statement or read the rules in a different way. 

The referree saw it clearly and from very close to the incident. The video ref reviewed it. There was no foul. 

The MRP over-stepped the mark trying to prove otherwise, not for the first time, and is not fit for purpose under its current guise.

To remove all doubt.

I don't think Hargreaves should have been banned.

It may have been a penalty if the contact was spotted by the on-field referee, but there was certainly not enough in it to justify the video ref recommending a card (if a penalty has not been awarded then the video referee will only advise on foul play if, in his opinion, it is of a serious enough nature for a player to be sin binned or sent off).

So, now we have got all of that out of the way and you are clear that I am not focussing on JWH (I simply don't care enough about him), what do you think about the point that the video referee and the appeals committee differentiated between contact with the head and contact with the neck when the laws of the game do not?

[phiggins]

22 minutes ago, Worzel said:

Yes, but some times justified and this is one of them. Some people are dancing on the head of a pin around tiny phrases in the minutes, in a desperate search to prove that JWH did commit a foul after all if only someone had correctly listened to a statement or read the rules in a different way. 

The referree saw it clearly and from very close to the incident. The video ref reviewed it. There was no foul. 

The MRP over-stepped the mark trying to prove otherwise, not for the first time, and is not fit for purpose under its current guise.

I agree with your last sentence. The MRP has had issues for a number of years, and it will be interesting to see what % of their decisions are actually upheld when referred or appealed to a tribunal. But I think the issue goes a bit deeper, with the guidelines that they follow also needing a rewrite. On the head contact guidelines for example, how are we supposed to measure how forceful a tackle is? 

But on the subject of matchday officials being called into disciplinary hearings, I'm not sure I agree with it. Their decisions on the day are on record, and if they're going to end up attending hearings like this, we'll likely see an increase of things just going on report, and refs can simply say they didn't know so put it on report.

[Worzel]

3 hours ago, Dunbar said:

So, now we have got all of that out of the way and you are clear that I am not focussing on JWH (I simply don't care enough about him), what do you think about the point that the video referee and the appeals committee differentiated between contact with the head and contact with the neck when the laws of the game do not?

I've already answered your question, and you've already replied to my answer? 

"The referrees and the appeals board understand the rules, their intent and their correct application far better than you or I. In many scenarios contact with the neck is legal. Indeed, it happens throughout the game in case after case of normal contact. The fact that JWH touched the players neck is not inherently foul play. The fact that both player and referree openly refer to JWH touching the players neck, both in defence versus an allegation of foul play and in the act of confirming that something wasn't an example of foul play, reiterates that quite clearly. As if there was any doubt."

[Dunbar]

1 minute ago, Worzel said:

I've already answered your question, and you've already replied to my answer? 

"The referrees and the appeals board understand the rules, their intent and their correct application far better than you or I. In many scenarios contact with the neck is legal. Indeed, it happens throughout the game in case after case of normal contact. The fact that JWH touched the players neck is not inherently foul play. The fact that both player and referree openly refer to JWH touching the players neck, both in defence versus an allegation of foul play and in the act of confirming that something wasn't an example of foul play, reiterates that quite clearly. As if there was any doubt."

Ok, you seem to want to bring it back to this specific incident again rather than a wider discussion. I will leave it then.

[Worzel]

I see the RFL have even banned him after his retirement. A fitting end to his career!

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/two-super-league-players-banned-as-major-brad-oneill-call-made-and-hull-kr-star-cops-big-punishment

[HKRBob]

15 minutes ago, Worzel said:

I see the RFL have even banned him after his retirement. A fitting end to his career!

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/two-super-league-players-banned-as-major-brad-oneill-call-made-and-hull-kr-star-cops-big-punishment

Appeal!

[Spidey]

16 minutes ago, Worzel said:

I see the RFL have even banned him after his retirement. A fitting end to his career!

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/two-super-league-players-banned-as-major-brad-oneill-call-made-and-hull-kr-star-cops-big-punishment

So they just delayed the inevitable...

[Damien]

A little late and not really very professional from Hull KR either:

 

 

[gingerjon]

Good to see this sport that takes this very seriously still allows bans to be served in friendlies.

[LeeF]

2 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Good to see this sport that takes this very seriously still allows bans to be served in friendlies.

It used to be a maximum of one match served during pre season but you couldn’t play in any other pre season matches 

[OriginalMrC]

Bonkers that his shoulder charge didnt get a card during the game. 

[Worzel]

39 minutes ago, Damien said:

A little late and not really very professional from Hull KR either:

 

 

Ah come on, it's an amusing thing, there's no hiding it... we want clubs to have authentic communication styles it doesn't really amount to condoning foul play eh, just has a harmless, wry tone to it!

[gingerjon]

34 minutes ago, OriginalMrC said:

Bonkers that his shoulder charge didnt get a card during the game. 

We don't give out cards during the season any more, let alone in play offs or finals.

Heck, you can deliberately drop someone on their neck and get to return to play after a ten minute breather.

[OriginalMrC]

1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

We don't give out cards during the season any more, let alone in play offs or finals.

Heck, you can deliberately drop someone on their neck and get to return to play after a ten minute breather.

Indeed. The pendulum has probably swung too far the other way.

[Wellsy4HullFC]

3 hours ago, Damien said:

A little late and not really very professional from Hull KR either:

 

 

I'm the last person you'd expect to defend a Rovers, but this (and the Mikey Lewis comments) are not a big deal. We've become so sanitised as a sport in terms of dealing with the media that we've become boring.

[Damien]

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[Worzel]

9 minutes ago, Damien said:

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Hull KR's marketing team are superstars