can we afford it ?

[SY RL]

All we hear about is clubs are struggling money is tight yet we are now giving French clubs around 2 million a year. Think what that money could do for the game in England . Its not only the loss of the tv money to our clubs but the lost of top league fixtures which would generate more money for those clubs through attendances and sponsorship. Would the league suffer if we had say Oldham and London in super league instead of Catalan and Toulouse ?  

[Mark S]

Can the game afford not to?

[Click]

What a load of rubbish again

[The Future is League]

1 hour ago, SY RL said:

All we hear about is clubs are struggling money is tight yet we are now giving French clubs around 2 million a year. Think what that money could do for the game in England . Its not only the loss of the tv money to our clubs but the lost of top league fixtures which would generate more money for those clubs through attendances and sponsorship. Would the league suffer if we had say Oldham and London in super league instead of Catalan and Toulouse ?  

The French clubs pay the expenses of visiting English clubs, and I'm surprised you didn't know.

[SY RL]

5 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

The French clubs pay the expenses of visiting English clubs, and I'm surprised you didn't know.

I did know this , but what I am asking is they now get 2m from the tv deal could that money be better spent given that the financial crisis the game is in. Should we say have given York full funding and Catalan half funding. The French have failed to secure the tv deal we were promised when Catalan entered the league.   

[Damien]

I think the title should be can we afford not to?

Edited November 2 by Damien

[Eddie]

2 minutes ago, SY RL said:

I did know this , but what I am asking is they now get 2m from the tv deal could that money be better spent given that the financial crisis the game is in. Should we say have given York full funding and Catalan half funding. The French have failed to secure the tv deal we were promised when Catalan entered the league.   

Catalan had the TV deal that (I don’t think) was promised, but Robert Elstone thought he knew better. 

[Eddie]

Kick Cats and TO out, get Fev and Fax in

[The Future is League]

3 minutes ago, SY RL said:

I did know this , but what I am asking is they now get 2m from the tv deal could that money be better spent given that the financial crisis the game is in. Should we say have given York full funding and Catalan half funding. The French have failed to secure the tv deal we were promised when Catalan entered the league.   

Do they get 2 million from the TV deal, and how long is that over, 1 year 2 years  3 years?

[Tommygilf]

Embarrassing

[Mark S]

Is Cats and Toulouse signed a lucrative TV contract with a French media company how long would it be before the rest of SL starting asking them for a cut?

[Eddie]

Just now, Mark S said:

Is Cats and Toulouse signed a lucrative TV contract with a French media company how long would it be before the rest of SL starting asking them for a cut?

About 5 seconds, they’d want 12/14ths of it. 

[The Future is League]

5 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Catalan had the TV deal that (I don’t think) was promised, but Robert Elstone thought he knew better. 

The same Robert Elstone who thought bringing pizzas into Super League, that one?

Did he even cover his wages with the deals or lack of deals when he was at the RFL?

[sam4731]

Is it Cats and TO's job to negotiate their own TV deal? Is there anything stopping the RFL negotiating a TV deal in France?

I also think that given what has happened to a certain team financially, giving teams a whole pile of cash isn't a guarantee that they'll bring anything to the game regardless of which country their in.

[Just Browny]

Who are 'we'? I've always believed that, at the point we admit a club into our league system, they should be part of 'us' as much as Batley or Hull. 

And it is on RL Commercial to secure a good deal for Super League from us having a French presence. It's no more Toulouse's duty than it is Huddersfield's.

[The 4 of Us]

23 minutes ago, SY RL said:

I did know this , but what I am asking is they now get 2m from the tv deal could that money be better spent given that the financial crisis the game is in. Should we say have given York full funding and Catalan half funding. The French have failed to secure the tv deal we were promised when Catalan entered the league.   

I’d actually prefer to remove funding from Bradford and redistribute it to clubs that’ll be do something more constructive than jet wash the terracing. 

Edited November 2 by The 4 of Us

[Wiltshire Warrior Dragon]

1 hour ago, SY RL said:

All we hear about is clubs are struggling money is tight yet we are now giving French clubs around 2 million a year. Think what that money could do for the game in England . Its not only the loss of the tv money to our clubs but the lost of top league fixtures which would generate more money for those clubs through attendances and sponsorship. Would the league suffer if we had say Oldham and London in super league instead of Catalan and Toulouse ?  

 

7 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

Who are 'we'? I've always believed that, at the point we admit a club into our league system, they should be part of 'us' as much as Batley or Hull. 

 

I share Just Browny's confusion about your use of 'we', SY RL.  I do so both for the reason he quotes and because you seem to be making an artificial, geographical distinction.  I say that in the knowledge that the competition you are talking about is called Super League (Europe).

[SY RL]

2 minutes ago, Wiltshire Warrior Dragon said:

 

I share Just Browny's confusion about your use of 'we', SY RL.  I do so both for the reason he quotes and because you seem to be making an artificial, geographical distinction.  I say that in the knowledge that the competition you are talking about is called Super League (Europe).

We as in fans of the game all we hear is that there is no money in the game chairmen's putting in millions to keep clubs a float. I am not against expansion I am just asking the question. 

[M j M]

30 minutes ago, Mark S said:

Is Cats and Toulouse signed a lucrative TV contract with a French media company how long would it be before the rest of SL starting asking them for a cut?

TV revenues should always be pooled and shared so yes the English clubs should get 12/14ths just like Catalan and Toulouse SHOULD get their proportional share of the Sky money.

On a general point, some people to reverting to their predictable types and hating on traditional Rugby League areas in England or hating on traditional Rugby League areas in France is eternally tiresome. 

Edited November 2 by M j M

[Wiltshire Warrior Dragon]

Just now, SY RL said:

We as in fans of the game all we hear is that there is no money in the game chairmen's putting in millions to keep clubs a float. I am not against expansion I am just asking the question. 

I would be interested in your definition of 'expansion'.  Do you mean from 12 to 14, which is, as you say, expansion, or the inclusion of two teams, who happen to be French, in a European league?

[The Future is League]

4 minutes ago, SY RL said:

We as in fans of the game all we hear is that there is no money in the game chairmen's putting in millions to keep clubs a float. I am not against expansion I am just asking the question. 

Let's put it another way. IF clubs can't afford 2 trips a year to france to play for competition points they really shouldn't be in Super League, so bring in clubs who are prepared to pay for 2 trips a year to France.

[Rene_Artois]

43 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Kick Cats and TO out, get Fev and Fax in

Yep no financial worries there!

[Dave T]

43 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Catalan had the TV deal that (I don’t think) was promised, but Robert Elstone thought he knew better. 

This myth has been busted many times by one or two knowledgeable people on here. The TV deal never had any material £ value and by the time they backed out i think SL/Catalans were expected to be paying, like the TWP deal.

[GeordieSaint]

8 minutes ago, SY RL said:

We as in fans of the game all we hear is that there is no money in the game chairmen's putting in millions to keep clubs a float. I am not against expansion I am just asking the question. 

And you are getting your answer. 

Short term ‘fix’ for a long term issue is something the game has consistently done - but it never solves the issue. Never. 

The sport in the Northern Hemisphere needs to start thinking long term and strategically if it is to compete with Australia and the NRL. France is a critically important actor to achieve that. 

[Dave T]

Yes, we should spend it, it isnt a Gift, they contribute to the comp, greatly imo.

Edited November 2 by Dave T