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Josef K

Josef K

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I always hope the SL official site will improve each season but that doesn’t seem to be the case. I know Jacob Host didn’t do much in the Wire/Saints game but i am sure i saw him on the pitch. But not according to the SL site. 


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1 hour ago, Josef K said:

I always hope the SL official site will improve each season but that doesn’t seem to be the case. I know Jacob Host didn’t do much in the Wire/Saints game but i am sure i saw him on the pitch. But not according to the SL site. 

It's a rank amateur site and the stats are pretty rubbish. Garrigues put Tropis over for a try yesterday but has no assist. 

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dkw

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12 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Its also not unusual for teams to have a completion rate of over 100%

That'll be trumps favourite team then....

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EagleEyePie

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It really frustrates me how amateur it comes across. Toulouse only had 14 players against Wakefield according to the stats. I know in previous years some players have had the wrong name for the entire season, or haven't had any stats available.

I noticed last year when trying to compare Liam Marshall's metres with those of Tom Davies that the metres stats for the Wigan v Huddersfield game had been missed completely, so the overall totals were incorrect.

Compare it to the NRL where they have all the stats accurately recorded for every game, then in addition to what Super League stats show they have total minutes played, metres separated by hit ups and kick returns, post contact metres, play the ball speed, how many times an attacker engaged the line, half breaks (in addition to full line breaks), line break assists (arguably more valuable than assists), line break involvements, total passes, total receipts, charge downs, ball steals, intercepts, ineffective tackles (in addition to missed tackles), the number of ruck infringements and set restarts, how many times players received the ball in support of a break, how many times they made decoy runs, pass to run ratio, tackle efficiency, how many kicks were diffused, number of kicks split by type (grubber, cross field, bomb), 20/40 kicks (as opposed to just 40/20) and how many times the ball was kicked dead.

In Super League it's probably just one volunteer with dozens of those clicky hand counters frantically switching throughout the match. 

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Tommygilf

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2 hours ago, Dave T said:

Its also not unusual for teams to have a completion rate of over 100%

Is that the Leopards and have the stats been inputted by A B Sun-Deck

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V02

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1 hour ago, EagleEyePie said:

It really frustrates me how amateur it comes across. Toulouse only had 14 players against Wakefield according to the stats. I know in previous years some players have had the wrong name for the entire season, or haven't had any stats available.

I noticed last year when trying to compare Liam Marshall's metres with those of Tom Davies that the metres stats for the Wigan v Huddersfield game had been missed completely, so the overall totals were incorrect.

Compare it to the NRL where they have all the stats accurately recorded for every game, then in addition to what Super League stats show they have total minutes played, metres separated by hit ups and kick returns, post contact metres, play the ball speed, how many times an attacker engaged the line, half breaks (in addition to full line breaks), line break assists (arguably more valuable than assists), line break involvements, total passes, total receipts, charge downs, ball steals, intercepts, ineffective tackles (in addition to missed tackles), the number of ruck infringements and set restarts, how many times players received the ball in support of a break, how many times they made decoy runs, pass to run ratio, tackle efficiency, how many kicks were diffused, number of kicks split by type (grubber, cross field, bomb), 20/40 kicks (as opposed to just 40/20) and how many times the ball was kicked dead.

In Super League it's probably just one volunteer with dozens of those clicky hand counters frantically switching throughout the match. 

Both sets of stats come from Opta and are exactly the same in terms of what is provided across the competition. The only difference is Super League’s website is poor set-up limiting what is provided and how it is input into the SL website.

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gingerjon

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1 minute ago, V02 said:

Both sets of stats come from Opta and are exactly the same in terms of what is provided across the competition. The only difference is Super League’s website is poor set-up limiting what is provided and how it is input into the SL website.

Are the Opta SL stats available to view anywhere other than the SL website?

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

V02

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22 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Are the Opta SL stats available to view anywhere other than the SL website?

Only to the pro clubs unfortunately - who have to pay a lot of money for the privilege.

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Dunbar

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Stats.... they are overrated in my view.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

phiggins

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1 hour ago, V02 said:

Only to the pro clubs unfortunately - who have to pay a lot of money for the privilege.

Would clubs have to pay more to publish them? 

WN83

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I can't remember which of the new teams it was who I looked at for their stats but there was only about 12 players listed.

To have all this weighting on the gradings towards digital, social media interactions and so on but to then have such a poor centralised website is not good enough. 

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V02

V02

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4 hours ago, phiggins said:

Would clubs have to pay more to publish them? 

No I don’t think so - but I'm not sure on how the contracts go in that regard or what would be a breach. Equally you would need a media guy particularly invested in distributing stats which usually isn't the case.

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Dave T

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The stats section is relatively detailed and has most things you'd want, although the team stats are rubbish, but they just dont look reliable tbh.

Wiltshire Warrior Dragon

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17 hours ago, Dunbar said:

Stats.... they are overrated in my view.

Have you got figures to justify your opinion, Dunbar?

Dunbar

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2 minutes ago, Wiltshire Warrior Dragon said:

Have you got figures to justify your opinion, Dunbar?

I tried to find them, but they were half arsed!

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"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

Wiltshire Warrior Dragon

Wiltshire Warrior Dragon

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4 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I tried to find them, but they were half arsed!

I was pleasantly surprised that 'half arsed' was acceptable language on here.  I was anticipating having to say 'semi-rectumnal'!

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latchford albion

latchford albion

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1 hour ago, Wiltshire Warrior Dragon said:

I was pleasantly surprised that 'half arsed' was acceptable language on here.  I was anticipating having to say 'semi-rectumnal'!

Let's not bring Joel Tomkins into this.

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JohnM

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2 hours ago, Dunbar said:

I tried to find them, but they were half arsed!

Typical. RFL, can't even get full-arsed.

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A reminder to the RFL. Proper prior planning prevents particularly poor performance. Try it sometime. 
Josef K

Josef K

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3 hours ago, Wiltshire Warrior Dragon said:

Have you got figures to justify your opinion, Dunbar?

The last stats info i believe to be factually correct was 

If Eight out of ten cats all prefer Whiskers

Do the other two prefer Leslie Judd

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latchford albion

latchford albion

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41 minutes ago, Josef K said:

The last stats info i believe to be factually correct was 

If Eight out of ten cats all prefer Whiskers

Do the other two prefer Leslie Judd

I always thought that 99% of gargoyles looked like Shaun Edwards.

"I'm a traditionalist and I don"t think you'd ever see me coaching an Australian national side!"  Lee Radford, RLW March 2016

Proud to be a member of the TRL woke claque

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