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From my earliest days of watching RL one of the differences with RU that was always emphasised was that in union the players could charge forward as a conversion was being taken, whereas RL players were required to remain behind the try line until the kick had been taken. Failure to remain in place could result in the kicker being allowed to retake the kick if he missed.

Nowadays, notably in SL games, the players blatantly start walking forwards, past the try line, as the kicker approaches his kick. Have the rules changed or is this simply another example of disrespect for them going unpunished?

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Spidey
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Maybe we should bring back lineouts?

Blind side johnny
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From my earliest days of watching RL one of the differences with RU that was always emphasised was that in union the players could charge forward as a conversion was being taken, whereas RL players we

Dunbar
Dunbar

Sounds sensible, you can squeeze another two, maybe three, scrum resets into that saved time. 

Griff

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6 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:

From my earliest days of watching RL one of the differences with RU that was always emphasised was that in union the players could charge forward as a conversion was being taken, whereas RL players were required to remain behind the try line until the kick had been taken. Failure to remain in place could result in the kicker being allowed to retake the kick if he missed.

Nowadays, notably in SL games, the players blatantly start walking forwards, past the try line, as the kicker approaches his kick. Have the rules changed or is this simply another example of disrespect for them going unpunished?

I don't get the point of this.   Nobody's bothered until the kick is missed and the ref gives him another go.  Had to laugh at that RU fella who tried to charge the ball down and actually managed to deflect it over the crossbar for the winning points.  That was last year (or maybe the year before).

As an aside, I didn't know that RU weren't bothering with conversions for penalty tries these days.  Saves a bit of time, I suppose,

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Dunbar

Dunbar

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The wording in the laws is interesting, I didn't realise the specific requirement. 

"When a kick at goal is being taken following a try, the opposing players shall stand outside the field of play".

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Dunbar

Dunbar

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1 minute ago, Griff said:

As an aside, I didn't know that RU weren't bothering with conversions for penalty tries these days.  Saves a bit of time, I suppose,

Sounds sensible, you can squeeze another two, maybe three, scrum resets into that saved time. 

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Griff

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4 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

The wording in the laws is interesting, I didn't realise the specific requirement. 

"When a kick at goal is being taken following a try, the opposing players shall stand outside the field of play".

For clarity, the field of play runs goal to goal.

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Dunbar

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1 minute ago, Griff said:

For clarity, the field of play runs goal to goal.

Sure, which is why standing behind your own goal line is acceptable. 

You do occasionally see an opposition player behind the kicker, rather than retreating to their own in goal. I guess they are technically illegal but not worth penalising.

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Griff

Griff

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4 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Sure, which is why standing behind your own goal line is acceptable. 

You do occasionally see an opposition player behind the kicker, rather than retreating to their own in goal. I guess they are technically illegal but not worth penalising.

Usually a sub being introduced, looking for a touch judge to report to.

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Griff

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3 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:

So we can stand under the sticks after all?

Who's we ?

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Tommygilf

Tommygilf

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I suppose there is a difference between a charge down and just moving to set up again, however if a player misses they are entitled to complain!

I would think that it would just be simpler for the side who just conceded to line up on the halfway line after a try rather than behind the sticks?

Leyther_Matt

Leyther_Matt

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I did notice that Saints went VERY early on a couple of conversions against Catalans, but I wouldn’t go as far as saying it was anything approaching an attempted charge down. 

Agbrigg

Agbrigg

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1 hour ago, Tommygilf said:

 

I would think that it would just be simpler for the side who just conceded to line up on the halfway line after a try rather than behind the sticks?

I have seen it often in my years of watching the game,where a small group of players have stayed behind at halfway, but never a full team. Albeit not so much nowadays. 

More often than not it was from a break away length of the field try. One or two players were down or injured and just slowly made their way back to half way and no more. 

Les Tonks Sidestep

Les Tonks Sidestep

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2 hours ago, Griff said:

Usually a sub being introduced, looking for a touch judge to report to.

I remember a time when the referee would make the sub leave the field until the kick had been taken.

Futtocks

Futtocks

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I recall a Rugby union side trying to form a human pyramid between the kicker and posts. The Twickenham fun-sponges probably banned it a.s.a.p. for being too imaginative.

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Spidey

Spidey

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19 minutes ago, StandOffHalf said:

Personally I think attempted charge-downs of conversions should be allowed in RL.

To what end?

Griff

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47 minutes ago, StandOffHalf said:

Personally I think attempted charge-downs of conversions should be allowed in RL.

 

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StandOffHalf

StandOffHalf

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2 hours ago, Spidey said:

To what end?

To encourage players looking to block the kick. It's something we have changed. Not sure why.

Click

Click

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9 minutes ago, StandOffHalf said:

To encourage players looking to block the kick. It's something we have changed. Not sure why.

Why would we want to encourage that?

StandOffHalf

StandOffHalf

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Just now, Click said:

Why would we want to encourage that?

Because it makes the game more uncertain and potentially rewards enterprising, quick players who managed to get to the kick.

For whatever reason RL decided to change it from the norm of a conversion being fair game for a charge-down. I'd be interested in knowing the thinking for not continuing with it and the reasoning for making it an unchargeable kick.

gingerjon

gingerjon

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1 minute ago, StandOffHalf said:

Because it makes the game more uncertain and potentially rewards enterprising, quick players who managed to get to the kick.

Potentially rewarding the side who have just conceded the try seems a little pointless.

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Spidey

Spidey

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27 minutes ago, StandOffHalf said:

To encourage players looking to block the kick. It's something we have changed. Not sure why.

Maybe we should bring back lineouts?

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