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#2967547 Goal Posts

Posted by keighley on Yesterday, 01:41 PM

The main challenges are getting them light weight, easily stored, and possibly not requiring the same depth in the ground.  This is so we can use more grounds when we do not have a permanent home.  It is not straight forward.

When it comes to moving the goalposts, the RFL are the acknowledged experts.

#2966362 The all-new never-ending League Restructure debate thread

Posted by keighley on 27 July 2014 - 01:37 PM

what sort of a state was the sport in when this club won the championship? It was at its lowest ebb.
The challenge cup bears no relationship to the elite league competition.
If as you say the Bulls were/are 'perpetual strugglers' or whatever, using the same terms of reference what does that make your club?
what sort of uncertainty did the yo yo teams bring to the competition?
It's a pity that when your club did have its moments of glory it didn't attract more support

So, because he sport was at a low ebb when a team wins the championship, this is an indictment of the club. That's a non sequitur if ever I heard one.

The Challenge Cup, at it's zenith, was the preeminent RL competition and clubs frequently jeopardised their league position by playing weak teams in order that they could succeed in the Cup.

Do you think the Bulls might now become a yo yo team and will this have a negative effect on SL if they do ?

#2965699 The all-new never-ending League Restructure debate thread

Posted by keighley on 25 July 2014 - 10:59 PM

yes I do, certainly more so than you are able to say otherwise. Of course nothing is ever certain.
I'm given to understand that Bradford played the giants at Huddersfield, i.e. it was an away fixture, also it was one game. That six thousand stands against a backdrop of failure and uncertainty. Can any of the clubs currently outside SL attract 20,000+ to home games?Can any of them in their wildest dreams even pretend to achieve what the Bulls have achieved in the SL era
in the absence of any kind of efforts to attract support from a wider demography, geographical area during the Super League era, plus the historical data of Sheffield, Leigh and Halifax, and the data of the entire histories of others.

Well we know that Bradford went from a top club with huge attendances in 1950 to a bankrupt, dissolved disaster playing before a few hundred in 1963.

Maybe the Bulls are taking that route rather than the resurrection connection you envisage. I certainly hope not but you certainly can't be certain.

#2964983 best game you ever saw

Posted by keighley on 24 July 2014 - 09:43 PM

1st cc Leeds v Wigan February 1957 OR RLCC final 1965 Hunslet v Wigan Or the Cup final that Terry Webb mentioned Hull v Wigan

That Wigan v Hunslet was a great game and Hunslet could have won it. A home grown squad with one Welshman against a star studded team of talents.

it was the first time I saw losers go on a lap of honour and boy did they deserve it.

#2963466 Marwan Koukash: I'll turn rugby league into a global sport

Posted by keighley on 22 July 2014 - 11:42 AM

Think I'm in the (significant) minority , but i simply don't buy that he's "great for the sport". Yes, he has money. Yes, he has saved Salford. Yes, he has a "huge" media presence and(allegedly) a grand vision to make the game global. But the constant sniping against the RFL and "toys out of the pram" attitude if he doesn't get his way don't strike me as responisible, or well judged. He strikes me as little more than an egotistical loudmouth, who will move out of the game just as soon as he came crashing into it...just as soon as he gets bored or finds something else to interest him for a moment.

You might be right but just for saving Salford, he's got my vote.

#2963111 Bradford officially relegated

Posted by keighley on 21 July 2014 - 05:25 PM

so when will proper jeopardy kick in then? There is no history of this ever happening from 1973 until the establishment of licensing. You and Lobbygobbler along with others, have been provided with detailed consistent hard information time and time again that shows this is not the case, and you and those of like mind have never done any such thing.


What will happen now is that there will be a procession of inadequate clubs going up having spent money they don't have, and going down with bills they can't pay and it will just get worse and worse just like the old days. 


London and Bradford were and are a mess, but not because of the system.  All the Dragons need is a bad season and we will be on our way to be like knurl and spell, or as someone said Shinty in Scotland : enjoy.


Jeopardy will be whether you can win a promotion spot and then seize it, or not. London and Bradford were unlucky that this relegation is a traditional bottom two down scenario, voted in by their peers no less.


However, from next season there will be the 3 x 8 circus and if Catalans or any other SL team go down despite having everything rigged in their favour, then they will have undoubtedly deserved it but I personally don't think there will be any relegation under 3 x 8.

#2962927 Will the Broncos be swallowed up by the Championship?

Posted by keighley on 21 July 2014 - 01:45 PM

Well you said you never made it in the first place a few minutes ago

You are blaming SL on featherstones relegation
Which is ridiculous


It depends which relegation you are talking about. The removal of Featherstone from Div 1, which became SL, was entirely due to the movers and shakers who orchestrated the makeup of the original SL. that was due to SL.


Fev's relegation to CC1 was due to their own ineptitude in the Championship. However, there is a serious case to be made that if they had not been removed from Div one and had access to Sky funding that they would never have been in the position to be relegated to CC1. Maybe they would have been relegated from SL to the Championship but we will never know that as the dirty deed to give them, Widnes, Keighley and Batley the shaft was perpetrated and history was changed.

#2960220 RLWC2013 Financials...

Posted by keighley on 17 July 2014 - 02:05 AM

Look, some of these things are positive. But put in perspective, the number of RL players in Ireland is negligible. I was involved in a RL game in Belfast in 1990. Allegedly the first ever. Thats what the paper said at the time. Whats happened since then?


A group of 10-20 people forming one club and calling themselves Mexico is positive, but it ain't earth shattering.


My question was about the game in the UK and whether it is going forward as a direct result of the WC.


Is the answer, well it didn't go backwards and was OK? Or, we got 40 new teams in London and a 120 across the country etc etc. That would be really positive. I note your point about the game spreading out of the Heartlands into the midlands essentially. Sadly, Wales was the heartlands in the 1900's. The game sort of was reborn and lived on life support since really? Or am I wrong. Is it thriving?  


I didn't know there was a team in Mexico so that's news to me.


There is no way to know if any of the positive developments in the UK since the WC are the result of the WC being played but the exposure we got from it can't but have helped.


There was a record attendance at the magic weekend for instance. The number of kids in the MW junior league increased. The Sky contract has increased. More money is to be directed towards the Championships. Salford have survived and may prosper. Ditto Wakefield.


Wales has it's own governing body, a national coach, Welsh born players, some at SL clubs, a junior league both north and south. Crusaders juniors keep beating heartlands teams. Their student team is decent. Crusaders won CC1.


Coventry will join the pro/semi pro ranks next season.


Wigan played the WCC in Sydney.


The NZ nines was a fantastic success.


There has been progress.

#2959752 Bizarre RU like try scored by NZ Warriors against the Eels.

Posted by keighley on 16 July 2014 - 02:08 AM

I am sorry to hear that you find scrums and line-outs overly complex, they are really not that complicated to grasp. I am sure you would soon catch on how they work if league decided to adapt to cater for a wider audience. 


From the video clip it seems not everyone in league struggles with the complexity of scrums (apart from the team in yellow, they were really struggling). As I said I applaud them for casting aside the fear of change.


Given the vast amount of penalties awarded at RU scrums, I think even the very top exponents of the game find the scrums too complex to master.

#2959748 RLWC2013 Financials...

Posted by keighley on 16 July 2014 - 01:30 AM

I haven't been on TRL for months. I was trawling for any news on whether the RLWC2013 has produced any tangible results for RL in Britian.


I have only heard of London being relegated and therefore a retreat back to the heartlands.


Nothing more?


Is there any good news about the game coming out of the RLWC2013? Anything?


It's not a retreat, it's a surrender by a pitiful army. What is the relegation of Bradford, they are of the heartlands. There are more teams in more non heartland places than ever in the history of the game and Serbia just played Russia and Jamaica played a British select amateur team.


Ireland RL just got Government recognition, the Scotland WC team produced some very positive articles in the Scottish press. PNG have entered a team in the Queensland RL league with a view to an NRL franchise.


Avignon, Carcassonne and Toulouse are contemplating applications for SL following on from the great turnouts at the French games in the WC. Italy has a youth team and their senior team played a game in Africa. South Africa want to host a RL world cup


The World cup made a profit and has good viewing figures on the BBC. I think sponsors and TV networks will have made note of this.


Whilst all of his is not directly attributable to the WC, the WC was a big part of linking all these various initiatives together in a cohesive whole which is the overall growth of the game both here and worldwide.

#2959746 Back to the old future.

Posted by keighley on 16 July 2014 - 01:14 AM

The failure of London is a failure for RL in the UK.


London is not an "expansion" club. It has been in the Superleague (top flight anyway) for nearly 20 years.


I just can't see, how under the promotion and relegation system, you can accept these outcomes. Acknowledged, you can't accept the rubbish that London put out on the field for a few years, but blind Freddies dog can see the reasons behind those performances.  Why the adminstrators can't is troubling.


The Superleague, keep trying to compare/emulate models used by Soccer/Footballs and Rugby Union. There are inherent failures in both the Premier League structure and the Rugby Football comps in the UK i.e. the one with the most money wins.


The franchise system of the NRL and dare I say it, the AFL, work so much better than any of the English structures.


The Superleague need to develop individual clubs for the betterment of the whole game. Be prepared to take a loss for a few years to make a long term gain. The freemarket, liase fare model, that made England the great country it is today, ahem, is a failure. It don't work when it comes to sport and the development of the game. You have to interfere in the market to allow the littles guys to compete i.e. through genuine salary caps, player drafts etc etc. The Americans do it with their sports.  


The traditional strengths of RL in the UK are its biggest weakness. A strong premier grade, a good second and third tier comp, feeding into the premier grade is the way to go. People can support their local club, go the games and then watch their premier team on tele or at the game when they are local. But promotion of a village team at the expense of a megacity like London is pure lunacy.


Firstly, to be a bit pedantic the phrase you were looking for is laissez faire which is French for let them get on with it unimpeded.


On the later point, I disagree.  Mega teams from mega cities are good and will, in the end, dominate because of that but the shorter term success of smaller underdog organisations is what makes sport special and the david v goliath confrontations with David winning sometimes are the icing on the top of sports which add that added zest.

All of humanity loves an underdog. Costa Rica in the World Cup, Wigan Athletic in the FA Cup, Sheffield in the RL cup or Fev v Hull at Wembley, the US v the Russians at the Lake Placid Olympics in ice hockey or Russia V the US at basketball winning the gold in the Olympics. Even NZ beating the Aussies in the 2008 RWC. Green Bay winning the NFL, anybody beating the Yankees, Man United or the Miami Heat or the Brazilians.


It's not lunacy, it's the beauty of sport and the all important public exposure of such events on TV is ratings generating and that's what drives the bus these days. That's why we watch even though the outcome often seems predetermined. It's the underdog syndrome. Every Dog has it's day is more than just a trite saying. It's why we play the games.


To the big teams, it's a case of " If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen". it doesn't happen very often  but when it does, it's bliss not lunacy.

#2957346 Dr K rips into Mcmanus

Posted by keighley on 11 July 2014 - 02:42 AM

If Koukash knows so much, how come his mega-expensive team is nearer relegation than it is to the playoffs and plays to crowds about the size of that at Featherstone?


Their crowds are up quite a lot this season and Huddersfield just found out that  they might be gelling as a team.

#2956852 Coventry Bears to Kingstone Press Championship 1 in 2015

Posted by keighley on 09 July 2014 - 02:09 PM

wouldn't splitting champ1 into regions defeat the point of expansion??



the geographical spread of championship 1,probably the most diverse outside of the football league,actually gives us credibility...



i wanna see gateshead v south wales...or barrow v london skolars



and if travel costs are a issue then the RFL should help out 


You would still see such fixtures in the cross conference fixtures but you would get more derbys and geographically close fixtures from the in conference fixtures. The best of both worlds.

#2955297 Russian Rugby League (Merged threads)

Posted by keighley on 06 July 2014 - 12:45 AM

Death of democracy? When was Russia ever a democracy? Name one time that the ruler of Russia ever lost office.


There is no "rolling back of democracy" because there never was much more than a facade of democracy in the first place.


I think there was but a leader was democratically elected who didn't believe in democracy as a concept and set about dismantling the framework of it in Russia, changing the consitiution to allow himself extra terms in office, suppressing the press. Alternating prime minister and president with his cronies etc etc  .This has caused democracy to be in  deep dodo and quite possible, as you say, currently a fa├žade, having been subverted by a dictator who achieved office masquerading as a democrat.


The same thing happened in the Weimar republic and the same thing just happened in Egypt. democracy is a fragile plant.


However, maybe RL didn't fall foul of the wishes of the autocracy in sway in Russia and maybe the whole thing has been wrongly interpreted as has been suggested. We shall see how it develops.

#2952621 29/06/14 - The Kingstone Press Championship Match Thread

Posted by keighley on 30 June 2014 - 08:57 PM

It was always going to be a tough year with 5 going down. Hopefully heads won't drop too much with safety now looking out of reach.


Silver lining is that CC1 should be much improved next year with a nice mix of expansion & heartlands' clubs plus a couple of derbies with Oldham/Swinton potentially to look forward to. Last year might not have been the best year to be promoted but this year is probably not the worst year to get relegated either.


I agree with that except that Oldham might FINALLY get promoted the way CC1 is unfolding.