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  1. Just thinking it through there's the point where you say to a ref 'can i tap' and then just go - without any signal to the other team. 100% did that in a game in summer 2016 then thinking about it - I cant recall many quick taps in recent seasons, certainly not as many as there used to be. Can't say i agree with such a directive; If you receive a penalty and the defence isn't ready then you should be allowed to capitalise without the referee being obliged to give your advantage away to the opposition...
  2. When did that happen? I've done it not to long ago and think its fair game as long as your telling the referee that your tapping it - its not the attacking players fault if anyone turns their back
  3. Manchester Rugby League Heritage

    Below the 'pro' NU level the game existed as local playing leagues - so the M&D at this pre-1915 point is a local playing league. Similar would have existed in Wigan, Warrington, Oldham etc.. You would get some clubs flipping between leagues - see this link which gives an account of Leigh Miners being in the M&D 2nd division in 2004/05 and then playing in various M&D leagues rather than Wigan before being in a Leigh and District league eventually - . The link references a couple of other M&D clubs not in the lists I've put up. I've not found references to the M&D as a playing league after 1914 but then again i was only looking for references to Radcliffe and Prestwich CI. My guess is that WW1 devastated the sport and football very quickly became ever more dominant than it would have been before the war with the M&D being a relatively small league made up of sides in just Salford/Swinton which was where the obvious strength had been. From a Manchester perspective I have previously found references to intended clubs in Cheetham Hill and Blackley from the pre-1914 period but no actual reports of them ever playing games. The modern M&D (if active) isn't a playing league but simply a coming together of clubs in a similar geography and maybe running a cup - from some point (1970s?) the local leagues merged to form the NW Counties, Pennine league etc.. BARLA should have a record of all clubs associated with the M&D as it was a competition rule that a club could not join a playing league unless the local league sanctioned it...(although at Bury Broncos we seemed to sneak in without permission as the M&D thought we'd joined the Rochdale league and the Rochdale league thought we'd joined the M&D). Alfrieda at Eccles (now Salford Roosters) was running the M&D for a long time so may have some records
  4. Manchester Rugby League Heritage

    In the Manchester Courier it lists results between these in the M&D League for 1902/03: Egerton, Irlam Soapworks, Swinton St Stephens, Salford Trinity, Pendleton Brit', Adelphi Lads, Radcliffe Rangers, Broughton H'ts, Pendleton Trinity, Flixton, Clifton Chloride, Prestwich Church Institute A clipping from before that season started states they rejected applications from Leigh St Jospephs, Rochdale Rangers and that there was an application from a team called North West Manchester on which they had not decided. This period was a period when Swinton, Salford and Broughton were amongst the very top NU teams. The Evening News on July 18 1914 has a report from the M&D Committee meeting which lists the make up of divisions to be as follows: Div 1 - Prestwich, Rylands Rec, Wardley, Cadishead, Pendleton, Anchor and Cable, Swinton St Marys, Swinton Park, Flixton and Clifton (I cant be sure whether thats two teams - a team called Clifton and a team called Flixton or one team called Flixton and Clifton). Div 2 - Mandlebergs (which was a factory team I think!), Broughton Central, Winton, Bradford Hornets, Deans Rovers, Reddish, Flixton Hornets, Cadishead A, Bradford and Clayton, Weaste, Seedley Rangers To avoid people being confused there might be a Bradford in Yorkshire with a place called Clayton near it...but there are also areas of East Manchester called Bradford and Clayton that had coal-mines so it's that East Manchester area where these were from.
  5. Manchester Rugby League Heritage

    I drafted a short history of RL in Bury about 2 years ago. It included obtaining various press cutting from up to 1914 with tables, results, scores from the Manchester and District league - by summer 1914 ready for the 14/15 season the Manchester league had two divisions with 3 clubs in what we'd say is East Manchester these days (or you might say Reddish is Tameside) , 2 clubs from Bury (Prestwich CI and Radcliffe Rangers) and the rest from areas of Salford. Of course the 14/15 season didn't then happen as WW1 broke out and it seems that most sides simply did not re-form afterwards.
  6. The NCL is the highest level of the community game. to be in the NCL you have to meet various criteria including junior set ups. personal view, that criteria needs protecting as it encourages proper community development. allowing pro clubs to enter their 'reserves' wouldn't be in the interests of the community game, or the sport as a whole, in my view.
  7. Is Stu littler on books at Swinton this year? Started at Salford in late 90s
  8. "They" (god knows who "they" are) did not push them to summer. It was a line peddled by various people at the time and unfortunately and inaccurately reported in publications like the League Express. There was a winter league, then there became a summer option. About 1/3 of clubs indicated straight away that they wanted to switch and then more and more then chose to do the same. Clubs made choices. Within a couple of years there were fewer than 10 choosing to play in winter.
  9. Cracking amber and black kit that! For anyone who's been following the history thread, the amber and black kit above is a replica of the kit worn by Radcliffe who started playing Northern Union in 1896 and had one season as a pro-club. The kit was commissioned by Bury Broncos to celebrate 120years of rugby league in the Borough of Bury (though there have been some quite substantial gaps in that 120yr period!)
  10. Rugby History Thread

    Researching Radcliffe (the side mentioned before) and then Radcliffe Rangers and Prestwich Church Institute I regularly stumbled on references to Leigh Shamrocks sometimes playing in the Manchester and District League.
  11. Rugby History Thread

    I was invited to a function in the Presidents Suite of Twickenham earlier this year. It is am imposing picture.
  12. And I'd agree with all of that. I think there was also a unwillingness to recognise how society around the game was changing and to then respond. People had the blinkers on thinking that somehow, our sport was unaffected and didn't need to move with the times.
  13. Penned with passion because the false statements have been made time and time again but never justified. Its always 'I know different', or 'an official from a club (always unnamed) told me' etc. used to evidence for a conspiracy that saw 50 - 60 clubs start in winter, end up in summer. Really? 50 - 60 clubs, their officials, their members etc. were all duped? Like others on the thread - I was a club official who was at the various league meetings over the period. Not coerced, not 'bribed', not forced to do anything... My club had an extraordinary general meeting of all members, they were presented with the two options, committee members on both sides of the debate explained their view, the members debated it, they voted on it, and that was that. It was really that simple. It's disrespectful to all those involved to suggest anything else occurred.
  14. I agree we need answers. But there will no coming together if it cant be accepted by some that the switch occurred through clubs wanting it - and then others choosing to take it.
  15. An utter lie spread by those with a chip on their shoulder and to be blunt, a propaganda exercise in publications like the League Express that spread those lies without checking the facts. When the first vote took place the NWC around 1/3 of clubs voted to switch to summer. They did do so as independent clubs for what they thought was right for those clubs - not under duress. That vote made clear there was an appetite to play summer rugby in the North West The RFL proposed setting up a summer league for those who wanted it (at least 1/3 of the NW teams) - and the NWC league emailed that proposal to clubs so that any wanting to take the option (note - you could stay in winter if you wanted) could form the summer league. Also note - and to their credit - it was the NWC league who forwarded on the email to clubs giving them the option - not as was appalling reported in the LE at the time, a secret emailing of clubs by the RFL to undermine the NWC. That was false reporting and set the tone for the 'traditionalists' who simply made things up to try and justify a conspiracy theory around what was going on - they couldn't get their hard around why clubs were voluntarily making the switch in the interests of their clubs (and members) so came up with all sorts of sometimes bizarre statements. With the summer league then forming people then voted with their feet - about 1/3 went straight away completing a short winter season to allow the switch to summer. Then a big block moved in the spring leaving what, around 20 teams left to play winter. By the following winter that was down to fewer than 10. The idea that the RFL could 'systematically dismantle' in the way you make out is false - its just a perpetuation of the conspiracy theory. The RFL set up a competition in response to a clear appetite from many clubs to go to summer - clubs made their own decisions. I have huge respect for those who put the time and effort running the NWC but it was operating as if it was the 1980s and many clubs wanted it modernised but it wouldn't. It was no surprise to me that so many wanted to quit.